UK folks, take care: new laws

TL;DR

"Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Sexual Ageplay Party"



Thankoo, for allowing me to now say, "what Dakota said."

I am an innocent child avatar. I know my avvie is actually a collection of pixels, no more capable of feeling as any other piece of software. But I also know that my player is role-playing that, and is breathing her lift into my pixels. That would appear to be exactly what Immy is saying.

I am always wary of these sorts of "friendly warnings," too. While I may be a child avatar, I am capable of critical thinking above my apparent age. I appreciate being looked out for -- but ultimately I get to decide if I'm going to log in or not. I too get tired of the assumption that because I'm a child avatar, I'm for some reason going to take a two year reputation for a certain type of role play and chuck it on some wild spree of sexual ageplay.



I think anyone could have seen that at Ahern a couple weeks ago, when I was wearing some typical kid outfit and on my little bicycle (complete with training wheels and my teddy bear in the basket), with my usual pigtails and such -- and you were in some black strappy outfit with your arm claw and a bionic eyeball. As best, points on a curve -- but not precisely the same animal.

(Still someone I'd call a friend, though, an enjoy talkin' with!)



"Cause to suspect?" Um, no. Please see my sig line's quote. I also recommend "innocent until proven guilty." Really, you *can* assume those things to happen at the Ivory Tower or anywhere else in SL. Honestly, I've seen far more "newbie penis" in places like that than I have *ever* seen in *any* kid-themed build -- and I am including ones that may well have been sexual ageplay related. Anyone could at any time and in any place decide to attach a prim displaying hardcore pornographic images (including but not limited to child pornography or other such things (and stick that right into your cache. Is that likely? No --- and no more likely to happen in the Ivory Tower than at Livingtree (which is kid friendly, but not kid themed), Inner Child Depot in Fletcher, or the Starlight Starbright sim.



May I suggest a mirror? Yer way too wrapped up in dis argument. How many paragraphs was dat?

Mari

No yumi i got the message loud and clear....all im saying its crass............stupid............ignorant...........and wholesomely wrong...........if we can be held responsible for how people decorate thier premises........well its as i said the worlds going bonkers...........

I can see it now............Wizzy timeless.you are charged with TP'g to a place within the not really there virtual world of SL........and whilst there you was subjected to viewing unreal images of BDSM on an unreal wall............how do you plead...............

Ill let my lawyers fight that one..........whilst i take oxygen for the laughing fits.

the worlds getting sillier and sillier............some peeps need to get a life........even a secondlife !!

If you would attach that line back to the statement it was originally made in, it might make a bit more sense... Get it? Got it? Good.

ROFL this argument again.

Theres no guarantee terrorists wont set up shop in your backyard IRL either.

This argument really doesn't work - if these laws are so poorly written that innocent bystanders get arrested and prosecuted there is an issue with the lawmaking process. This is what judges and appeals are there for.

There's nothign in SL's mass media coverage to suggest such a thing. For example, using Google to search cnn.com for entries containing "second life" in the past year, I get 1940 results. If I limit it by adding "pedophile" or "child pornography" to the search requirement, I get zero. Using "child porn" gets me 2. If I remove the one year limit, then for "child pornography" I get 4.

The premise that there's been some huge amount of coverage of kiddie porn in SL is false. There have been a handful of isolated reports in some selected media. These forums call attention to those reports, just as the call attention to many other appearances of SL in the media, but it's specious to apply awareness in this forum to the entire SL community, past, present, or future.

*Great* research, Kidd!

Happy cry! (T_T)

/me slips off the armclaw for a second to give Mari a hug. \(^_^)/

Depending on your location in the world. But remeber there are many that don`t care about laws ( if they feel like they can let them until they nolonger can do so ).



Then again many take this forum as their personal bashing and insults release from their real life :/ Professional forum and blog trolls throught the Internet World.....

No! Context? Where's the fun in THAT?

Well, this little screed of yours was certainly longer than any of mine; so between the two of us, I don't think you can call ME the "sensitive" one.



And?



Well, YOUR post here is certainly long and tiresome - not sure about any of mine. Or any of the other kid avs who've posted here, now as you mention it.

Still, no kid av in this thread has posted anything about any "right" to play a kid. That "right" (if you could call it such) is not a matter of debate. What we're taking exception to is somebody mentioning a new law against artificial depictions of child pornography, and saying that it's something us kid avatars here need to be concerned about. In point of fact, it really isn't.



I don't "gotta admit" any of this, because I personally haven't seen any of these boogeymen lurking around the corners of the places I hang out. I'll admit I have met two or three people who creeped me out, of the hundreds of people I've met; and if I meet anymore of these folks, I would do just what I did: mute and find somewhere else to go at the very least. This is the only course of action I could recommend to you.



+20 for rolling the pedo. I'm actually cooler than you over this, because if somebody comes up to me in my kid av and starts talking about being a pedo, I can AR him, and it'd likely not end up well for him. THAT would be epic.

That said, what does this have to do with anything that's going on here?

I hate when my own Values are used against me.

I wouldn't do such a thing.

I was just playing; sorry if it came out badly.

Oops I forgot the emoticon. Fixed.

The impact of these European laws, if passed, do not have any legal consequences for U.S. residents using Second Life.

But the reason that U.S. residents of Second Life should be paying attention to this because such European laws will influence Linden Labs to make new rules based on those laws. Those rules will not only be designed to protect Linden Labs from overseas liability, but also to protect European users of Second Life.

If these European laws have a good chance of coming to be, then an investment of a few thousand dollars in Second Life to create BSDM-land-sim would be ill-advised.

Unrelated to Second Life, the passage of these laws in Europe helps the attempts of law-makers to pass similar laws in the U.S. In fact, Congress has passed, several times, laws that mimic Germany's law regarding to the purely digitally-generated depiction of minors committing sex acts. The U.S Supreme Court has just done a surprisingly good job of protecting the First Amendment in those cases. But the Supreme Court is quite a thin last-line-of-defense. Public pressure just has to get to one or maybe two Justices. That's all that really stands between laws similar to these European laws being enforced in the U.S.

This is all very sordid and is actually turning me completely off Secondlife - what are we doing to something that was a "good idea" - does everything have to become the lowest common denominator? Child images in offensive or suggestive situations are obscene - no argument. Child avatars are questionable - no argument. Let's all grow up and treat this place with some respect. No wonder I've dropped off the radar.

For some their existence on sl is nothing but to create hate or extend dislikes of people etc..... WHy do people contine to play on SL doing this? What was in people minds when they Pushed "OK" to create their very first avie? And this is the result of all the dreaming people had at the start or enjoyment etc??????? Some are so low in their lives they need to lower everyone else to place themselves higher the the rest? Shakeshead.......The forum these days are nothing but a hell hole as they say full of people bitc*ing crying, and those complaining people that bitc* and cry? What the????????? What happened to the word FUN or friends?............Shutdown the forums all togther and let the 3rd part forum owners deal with all the expert that post here

You forgot to mention the Alts.

QFT

As far as I know, no one is holding a gun to your head to make you access this site. Why do you keep coming back if you dislike it and the people who use it so much?

Maybe if you uninstalled SL and went back to solitaire you would find some pleasure in life again.

PSSSST. Chris, after *years* of research I have an astounding discovery -

The Solitaire game on the computer CHEATS!

Just thought you should know.

People just flame without reading a thing...............I said many times I am still on sl because i like being here. Why even try to look like your knowing what your talking about. But the facts are you pnly real reason to being on sl is to troll people.........These types of people posting comments really shows the forums are nolonger a place for good informaion but instead a place for people to post worthless and at times degrading remarks............Why don`t you just maybe get along with people instead of looking for problems?

In the 4 months I have been viewing the forums and the 6 months I have been reading the blogs, I have yet to see you say anything good about anyone or anything to do with sl. So maybe you should take your own advice.

Its so wonderful to see many perfect forum and Blog people here. Then again if I spent as must time in the blog and forum these days i be as perfect as you a? Well then again I not here to flame anyone, unlike many here.

BTW??? do you enjoy your SL? I do and thats why I am here.............

Have a nice Day

Then why do you insist on flaming everyone?