Should LL ban men who play female avatars?
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Caete Chevalier
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09-28-2007 09:33
From: Lexxi Gynoid Oh my . . . "Yes, you have longish hair . . boyish figure though . . remove your top .. no slower . . take your time . . you don't mind if I play music in the background do you? well . . those are small, I've seen men with bigger . . take your skirt off . . you do want to play this game as a woman don't you? right . . good . . slower . . ah yes . . move the camera in closer, that jungle is hard to see through . . yes . . closer . . .closer .. . yes . . . " POST OF THE DAY!!!!!!
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09-28-2007 10:14
From: Tegg Bode Yep, You whupped my ass in combat 3 times in a row, you can't be a girl!"  LOL, I get that a lot in C  I combat! Funny thing is I fight a lot with one particular female avie who happens to openly be a guy in RL...since we fight so much our styles are so similar I've occasionally been accused of being this guy's alt. =^.^=
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poopmaster Oh
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09-28-2007 11:15
In Answer to your inquiries
1) This is a serious poll (The Internet IS Serious Business) 2) I am a male 3) I play a female avatar
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FD Spark
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09-28-2007 11:18
Wonder why the question wasn't should LL ban nonhumans for potraying themselves as humans? I am cat in my first life. Or if LL should ban women from living as men? I personally don't get why a person who was male identified want to be femle other then better clothes. Yet I understand the friends I have that do. I would have no desire to pretend to be female but that is personal choice. Been there, done that it got old fast. I got lot of friends with female avatars, who are rl men,, don't cyber, personally I don't care. I think more people should switch genders for period of time personally to understand other gender experiences. Why do I smell some type of homophobic fear here when this question is asked? If it really bothers you: Quit cybering Dude then you won't have to worry if the pixelated gal is really a guy and have first life sex with the woman of your choice that will have you.
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Lear Cale
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09-28-2007 11:21
Of course an avatar's sex (and species) should match the player's RL attributes!
NOt only that, but each avatar should be based on pictorial images of the RL player, and matching the player's biometrics (measurements).
Proof of financial status should be required. Only those who are truly rich IRL should be allowed to appear rich in SL. To play as a homeless person, you must show proof of transience.
Finally, each player should be forced to take a standard personality profile test, so behavior can be automatically compared with test results. Failing to behave in accordance with RL personality profile will cause suspension from SL.
Anything else would be dishonest! LL must implement these requirements to encourage trust.
Other than that, you are free to experiment and have fun in SL. After all, it's YOUR IMAGINATION, YOUR WORLD!
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Peggy Paperdoll
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09-28-2007 11:23
Maybe LL should ban all us sexy, perfectly porportioned 25 year olds too if we are not such in RL........web cam verification, of course.  How about those 6'4" hunks with 12" tools that woo us perfect Barbies? This could go on and on and on..............LOL
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FD Spark
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09-28-2007 11:25
LOL very well put Lear. Darn anyone know where I can find the "fat, balding tomcat avatar" section?
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Har Fairweather
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09-28-2007 12:57
After reviewing the arguments set forth in this thread about banning this or that avatar choice, I conclude there are only two bans that would solve this problem. !. Ban everybody except the OP, or 2. Ban only the OP. Personally I think Ignore is the way to go on this subject - aside from having a few laughs at the expense of those excessively uptight Chinamen, of course.
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Rusty Satyr
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09-28-2007 13:08
I voted yes. But heck, I'd like LL to do away with the female avatar shape entirely.  Neither will happen here. -- MMO's are like gated communities... some have really *MESSED UP* home owners associations and whacked CC&Rs.
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Farallon Greyskin
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09-28-2007 13:35
If I had made this poll the two possible answers would have been "NO!" and "WTF are you insane for even asking?"
Becuase.. those are really the only two answers one could possibly give unless LL was some kind of serious RL dating service. And last time I looked... it is SO NOT!
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09-28-2007 14:34
From: Jessica Elytis I am in awe that another buisness proved that they are more idiotic than LL at policy decisions. I didn't think it was possible either, LOL.
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09-28-2007 14:36
From: Oryx Tempel I didn't think it was possible either, LOL. Yeah but they have a long way to go to match LL's level of stupidity
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Oryx Tempel
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09-28-2007 14:46
From: Lear Cale Proof of financial status should be required. Only those who are truly rich IRL should be allowed to appear rich in SL. To play as a homeless person, you must show proof of transience. Dang it! And my RL cardboard box was just getting nice and broken in. You're telling me I've got to go live in a mansion now??? p.s. Nice hair in your pic, Lear! Where'd you get it?
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Conifer Dada
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09-28-2007 15:10
Like I mentioned on another thread, the ultimate outcome of this is that you would have to supply your real name and a series of photos of yourself in plain white underwear together with your height, then the verifier makes an avatar of your RL and it gets your RL name. The Chinese 'Second Life' looks like it's destined to end up as an all-male one, which will degenerate into wargaming. Surely the three biggest 'cheats' in SL are unaided flying, antigravity and teleporting. If we're going to take the fantasy aspect away from SL, those should surely be the first things to go! LOL
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Joy Iddinja
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09-28-2007 15:40
Has anyone here ever heard of ROLEPLAY! So some guy wants to play a woman, or a woman wants to play a guy. I have a male avatar, although I rarely play him. I don't understand what all the fuss is about. Besides, when voice gets more widely accepted, this will be a moot issue anyway. Still, I don't think it's anyone's business who you are in RL, when you're in a roleplay environment.
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Nika Talaj
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09-28-2007 16:54
Hmm just occurred to me that if LL went this way, then Torley Linden might be an awkward employee. And Strife would presumably have to leave his/her place of honor. And I could swear I ran into Newt Gingrich wearing a micromini in Amsterdam a coupla weeks ago. Or at least I'm willing to swear to it 
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Oryx Tempel
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09-28-2007 16:57
From: Nika Talaj And I could swear I ran into Newt Gingrich wearing a micromini in Amsterdam a coupla weeks ago. Or at least I'm willing to swear to it  That is quite possibly one of the scariest mental images I've had all day. LOL!
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Jig Chippewa
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09-28-2007 21:33
How about banning BANNING?
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09-28-2007 22:31
From: Lear Cale [...]Proof of financial status should be required. Only those who are truly rich IRL should be allowed to appear rich in SL. To play as a homeless person, you must show proof of transience. Finally, each player should be forced to take a standard personality profile test, so behavior can be automatically compared with test results. Failing to behave in accordance with RL personality profile will cause suspension from SL.[...] what if you're a couch surfing transient? does that mean I have to camp out on other peoples land? well at least I can pass the psych test... or rather NOT pass it =) Seriously, I have had a few friends burned by this (and a few more who DO this), and all I can say is: If you are going to use SL as a dating service, caveat emptor. this DOES makes me want to try my "most generally unacceptable av appearance" idea.... for sociological testing purposes of course.... =) how does a short, fat, bald, homeless man sound? I was going to make him black, but now I'm thinking chinese.... with a title that says "is this what you REALLY wanted?" (Does NOT imply prejudice, only a best guess to people weird hang-ups) oh he should be transgendered and polite too.... yeah, that'll get em =) ::actually feels sorry for guys in SL, the social reactions (not to mention less quality clothing options) would drive me to play a Female Av too::
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09-28-2007 23:10
From: Jig Chippewa How about banning BANNING? We could get rid of frezze/eject too while we were at it.......... 
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Leaf Evans
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09-28-2007 23:40
Second Life is full of all kinds of avatars, played by all kinds of people. I don't think it matters one bit whether it's a man running around as a woman, a woman as a man, anyone as a furry or a robot or a walking cheeseburger. We are not who we are in SL. Why should we be forced to look like ourselves, regardless of gender, fur, or inanimate object?
It's been my experience that the people who care most about not having a male look female on SL are the people who are wanting to have sex with them. If they're looking for a real hookup with a real person, they ought to join a sex friend-finder or go out to a real bar. SL is virtual. You're not actually touching the person behind the keyboard. You're interacting with their mind. What's it matter what they're really like?
I know, I know. Some people will say 'but we're dealing with real feelings here!'. Well, the guy playing the dancing toaster isn't really a toaster in his RL, is he? Yet you can still call him friend. Why should it matter that he isn't a toaster? If you like his personality, it shouldn't matter what avatar he's wearing. And if you're that picky about the person behind the avatar, maybe you oughtta get out of SL and back into the RL where you can see straight up who you're dealing with.
Although granted there are still some dudes who look like ladies in RL...
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09-29-2007 00:00
From: Rock Vacirca LL should ban men, and women, who pose as Support Staff. It is obviously a fraud. snickers ... I agree 100% 
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Sling Trebuchet
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09-29-2007 03:47
From: Leaf Evans .......... It's been my experience that the people who care most about not having a male look female on SL are the people who are wanting to have sex with them. ......
...... Well, the guy playing the dancing toaster isn't really a toaster in his RL, is he?
He's not, but not many people will not want to have to have sex with a toaster. A few might, mainly other toasters and perhaps a few adventurous humanoids, but by and large .....  People who have hangups about the RL sex of other avatars are basically insecure. Their reaction is deep down at gut level, and is extremely difficult, if not impossible to reason with. Those who are using SL to form a sexually-oriented RL relationship are a different case. They would be much better advised to use a service more widely-used than is SL.
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Walker Moore
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09-29-2007 03:54
From: Sling Trebuchet He's not, but not many people will not want to have to have sex with a toaster. A few might, mainly other toasters and perhaps a few adventurous humanoids, but by and large .....  I would have thought toaster+toaster sex is a somewhat lesbian affair. Surely only bread itself can penetrate a hot toaster slot the way the toast-gods intended, before filling her with crumbs and making her go pop?
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09-29-2007 03:57
WOW I am shocked. Just looked at the voting numbers. Most people said no. HA! Not me.... Thats why I think its a bit silly to mess with anyone online. You really have no idea what your getting yourself into. YUK!~ Just got a mental picture of a dude with a beer belly and all hairy playing a woman in SL... I think I am gonna be sick now.
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