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Bad news of the day: They're thinking of merging the Teen Grid into the main one

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03-09-2009 12:17
From: Clarissa Lowell
Certain amount...sounds more like kicking people off their land and reconfiguring, no?
At a minimum. :(
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03-09-2009 12:24
From: Monalisa Robbiani
What difference in behavior would that make? PG is PG, it doesn't matter if real teens are around or not.

I am sure there are ways to prevent that from happening by simply making the mature sims invisible, just like the teen sims are now invisible to us.
Issue: Teens having access to "mature" content. Solution: Shield off "mature" areas from the teens.

Issue: Creeps trying to contact teens anonymously online. Solution: Shield off teens from these creeps.

The current grid arrangements accomplish this. Why change it? (T_T)
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03-09-2009 12:57
From: Argent Stonecutter
Glad to, where's one that's ADJACENT TO a main grid sim?


Look this up:

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Bullet/36/158/31/

Then look for the same sim on your in-world map. Surprise, there is a hole!

It's not a teen grid sim, but an internal test sim, but the principle is the same. It is invisible to regular users.

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Splitting main grid into PGgrid and Mgrid would require a certain amount of rework on the mainland.


Not necessarely. They are not split. The teen grid is on the same grid like the main. They just appear split to those who have access rights to only *one* part. If you have access to both they look like one grid. Just like Bullet does.

A separated "adult grid" would serve exactly that purpose: If you are an adult you wouldn't notice a split. If you are a teen, you wouldn't even know another part exists.
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Monalisa Robbiani
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03-09-2009 13:05
From: Imnotgoing Sideways
Issue: Teens having access to "mature" content. Solution: Shield off "mature" areas from the teens.

Issue: Creeps trying to contact teens anonymously online. Solution: Shield off teens from these creeps.


That implies that the only purpose of SL is mature content and how to shield it from various users. I strongly disagree. While mature content plays a major part in SL, it is not its purpose. Just like the purpose of a RL video store is not pron. They have a section in the back for that, shielded from kids.

The real question here is: Do you want SL to be an adult entertainment venue or a general platform for a large variety of content?
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03-09-2009 13:07
Look at the distribution of PG sims and tell me what kind of "PG Grid" you'd end up with. We're not talking about occasional holes, or even "chantilly lace", we're looking at a completely fragmented world.

The "adult back room" is "every second shelf, every third shelf, every fifth shelf...". The PG sims might as well be "every prime number from the top left".
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03-09-2009 13:10
From: Monalisa Robbiani
The real question here is: Do you want SL to be an adult entertainment venue or a general platform for a large variety of content?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question
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03-09-2009 13:21
From: Argent Stonecutter
Look at the distribution of PG sims and tell me what kind of "PG Grid" you'd end up with. We're not talking about occasional holes, or even "chantilly lace", we're looking at a completely fragmented world.


Still doesn't seem to be anything that cannot be solved. PG and mature sims should be clustered together ANWAY, even if there are no kids around. It would make more sense, also from a business point of view.
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03-09-2009 13:22
From: Argent Stonecutter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question


Ha! A simple yes or no would be enough. My answer is no, I don't want SL to be an adult business. (Which doesn't mean I don't enjoy mature content from time to time).
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Milla Janick
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03-09-2009 13:23
Why not just open up the Teen Grid to adults?
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03-09-2009 13:24
From: Monalisa Robbiani
Still doesn't seem to be anything that cannot be solved. PG and mature sims should be clustered together ANWAY, even if there are no kids around.
Oh, so you agree with me that this would require an extensive redistribution of land ownership on the grid. I have to wonder what I said that you thought you were disagreeing with, now. :)
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03-09-2009 13:24
From: Milla Janick
Why not just open up the Teen Grid to adults?


The point of a merger is probably to expand the economy and to unite the communities. So that wouldn't make any sense.
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03-09-2009 13:27
From: Monalisa Robbiani
Ha! A simple yes or no would be enough.
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03-09-2009 13:27
From: Argent Stonecutter
Oh, so you agree with me that this would require an extensive redistribution of land ownership on the grid.


Or shuffling of sims. Land is not real land, it is just addresses on a server.

Or just leave the holes as they are. The merged teen grid would still be much bigger than what it is now.

Another option would to only allow estates to be flagged as adult. Then you don't even need two grids.
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03-09-2009 13:31
It's obvious. Currently, there's a main grid, and a teen grid. The teen grid is expensive to maintain. So the goal is to merge the two grids, in order to unify the resources, and therefore cut operating costs. To do so, LL will have to make enough changes to effectively partition the teens from the naughty adults (that is, very many of the adults). After they're done, it will be just like there's a teen grid and a main grid. But there's a fundamental difference to the new approach, with the countless hours of R&D, deployment costs, as well as communications with their customers to explain what's going on: LL can put out a press release.
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03-09-2009 13:32
From: Monalisa Robbiani
The point of a merger is probably to expand the economy and to unite the communities. So that wouldn't make any sense.

It makes perfect sense. It doesn't disrupt the main grid, the issues hampering current educational uses of the Teen Grid are solved.

I doubt the addition of the 600 or so concurrent users on the Teen Grid will be a significant expansion to the SL economy. Especially if their addition impacts businesses already here.
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03-09-2009 13:34
From: Monalisa Robbiani
Or shuffling of sims.
That comes to the same thing. The topography of the land would have to be completely redone, so people with builds near (let along spanning) M-PG boundaries would have to be dealt with.
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The merged teen grid would still be much bigger than what it is now.
That word, "merged", I don't think it means what you think it means.
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Another option would to only allow estates to be flagged as adult.
You mean, turn all the "M" sims on the mainland into "PG"? That would be even more disruptive than reshuffling the sims.
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03-09-2009 13:36
May not be 'real land' but it's a plot in virtual space that a lot of people have the 'address' to, and the owners have spent hours of time building/terraforming upon.

There just is no defensible reason for doing this, imo. SL works just fine as it is. If the teens are bored, well, I'm sorry but when did being in SL become a right? LL can also address all those problems without reshuffling the existing world and its current, paying customers.
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03-09-2009 13:36
From: Monalisa Robbiani
The point of a merger is probably to expand the economy and to unite the communities. So that wouldn't make any sense.


And how exactly would a merger expand the economy? With all the lindens the teens are going to be spending? Rather doubt it. Any real money spent in SL is coming from and will continue to come from adults, as they are the ones who have an entertainment budget. Teens will be after the freebies, and we'll have a big freebie and bling *on* explosion.
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03-09-2009 13:39
From: Love Hastings
LL can put out a press release.


And finally serious businesses might think about setting up a presence in SL because you don't need to explain to them anymore why they should be part of an 18+ cybersex whorehouse.

I guess the main part of a merger would be press releases indeed.

And if someone really gets smart they might market "SL XXX" as a separate brand, with its own website, forums etc. We always wanted Gor Help Islands - this would be suddenly possible. :)
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03-09-2009 13:43
Oh goody. And SL becomes the same bland, mass marketed pap that RL has become.
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03-09-2009 13:43
From: Monalisa Robbiani
And finally serious businesses might think about setting up a presence in SL because you don't need to explain to them anymore why they should be part of an 18+ cybersex whorehouse.

Look around, they're already here. SL isn't just a cybersex whorehouse.
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03-09-2009 13:44
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And how exactly would a merger expand the economy? With all the lindens the teens are going to be spending? Rather doubt it. Any real money spent in SL is coming from and will continue to come from adults, as they are the ones who have an entertainment budget. Teens will be after the freebies, and we'll have a big freebie and bling *on* explosion.


Who knows maybe the teens would enjoy spending money?

But I doubt that this is the motivation behind a merger. SL that is not strictly 18+ anymore is generally more appealing. That might be the point.
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03-09-2009 13:44
/me sees current SL as anything but a virtual 'whorehouse'. Straw men, straw men.
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03-09-2009 13:45
From: Milla Janick
Look around, they're already here. SL isn't just a cybersex whorehouse.


*I* know that because I live in SL. A company who has never heard about it does not. All they remember are some news stories on TV, and that SL is 18 plus.
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03-09-2009 13:45
From: Monalisa Robbiani
And finally serious businesses might think about setting up a presence in SL because you don't need to explain to them anymore why they should be part of an 18+ cybersex whorehouse.

I guess the main part of a merger would be press releases indeed.

And if someone really gets smart they might market "SL XXX" as a separate brand, with its own website, forums etc. We always wanted Gor Help Islands - this would be suddenly possible. :)


There are plenty of serious businesses in SL already. Look at Showcase. Education and Non Profit (which my board, Virtual Ability is listed), Arts and Culture, etc. Haven't seen a cybersex whore all day. It's a choice to visit wherever one chooses to visit on SL, nobody is making anyone visit any cybersex whores, lol. (amusing name though, thanks for the giggle)
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