Banning on property

I use the security orbs by Zor Zeddmore. They are only $L200 and work really well. You configure by notecard.

I hate it when doorbell salesmen don't knock first.

Yes - in the very least you would have thought that they would use one of their bells. Door bells that is.

Actually isn't a rather good sales pitch "excuse me madam if you had one of my doorbells I would have rung it and you'd have time to slip something on" ?

Because it's a virtual reality for heaven's sake, not a piece of prime real estate. Nobody truly 'owns' anything in Second Life - why can't we share and share alike instead of dragging First Life paranoia into a game?

As for doorbell salesmen - goodness, the very idea that someone might see a naked avatar, how shocking! Some 3D graphics must lead a very sheltered life...

I agree that the blanket bans by LL are both inefficient and "rude" to the public. However, people do own thier land here in SL as much as they do in RL. As long as you pay tier (taxes) you can do as you want within the ToS (building codes). Fail to pay your tier (taxes) and LL (the Govt in RL) will take back the land. The only difference between RL land and virtual land is that repercustions happen more quickly in the virtual landscape.

The limit of the ban hieght to 50m is rediculous, and, while keeping out those simply wandering around, will do nothing to halt the random idiotic griefer.

They are "rude" due the the UGLY red wording that appears all over the land. Why LL does not put in an option to turn the rendering of those things off, I'll enver know. (And yes, I voted on the JIRA to do just that. Not holding my breath though)

The efficiency could be increased if we could alter the verticle vector of that 50m ban for the blanket bans. That is; be able to move the 50meters that one can block upwards to any desired height. So a skybox could be protected, and would then leave the land free for passage. Why some could argue that this would leave the skies a vertible maze of bans, they are already with Residents using security systems.

Since I doubt LL is ever going to change the ban system much, The security systems are anyone's best bet for blanket coverage to provide moderate privacy. Problems with them occur when settings are to "agressive". This usually happens when people tyr to gain complete privacy. Something that is impossible short of owning your own island.

~Jessy

Well the security orb is up and running. It works pretty well too. I set it to a 15 sec. warning and eject. I thought TP Home was a bit harsh. If they are just passing through, 15 sec. is plenty of time. It is amazing how many people get near my home. No sooner did I set it than I had 2 warnings. I even reduced the radius and kept it to within my property. I might have to increase my altitude just to be safe as to not interfere with my "tower" neighbors.

I don't get it, what is so 'private' you people need to eject others from?

I personally found it interesting meeting new explorers wandering into my land 10mins after I rezzed my new home wondering what this goth/vamp castle was all about. Great way to meet new people IMO.

Personally if I spend a ton of time deco'ing and setting my land up its a pride boost to have wanderers want to come check it out.

And before people reply with 'well when I break out my detacable penis and get some virtual loving I want privacy'. My reply is, so what? close/lock the bedroom door or temp turn your land to ban all until your done.

On a related note, I certainly fail to see the point of keep people out when you are not even there to start with...

When one is relaxing in one's private sanctuary, or busy building, or engaging in activities of a sexual nature, it can be quite disturbing to have people popping in out of nowhere. Especially when your sanctuary is in an area that tends to have gun-toting griefer alts wandering about looking for green dots on the map.



My friend recently popped into our group sanctuary to find herself face to face with an armed griefer in full combat gear - his weapon and his swearing at her were the first things she encountered while the area was coming into focus. And do we even need to discuss (yet again*) how some people like to leave their poseballs or sexgen furniture out and don't want to come home to strangers using them?

Ban lines are impractical - they're ugly and prohibit people who are just trying to travel through.

*see multitude of forum discussions on this subject

a. As I said a temp ban everyone (except those currently) fixes the issue when doing something with ones detachable penis. And I fail to see the diff between cybering behind a locked door when ppl roaming and having rl sex behind a closed door with other ppl home?

b. I don't know too many people who leave their dildo's and condoms out on the coffee table in the common room irl. I wouldn't leave a sex object in SL laying around in open, public view unless I was inviting guests to use it either. I would put such in sealed areas if I didnt want uninvited people to use them, just like I do with my rl flogger.

c. The griefers... ok this IMO is your strongest argument. I know if I say simply ban the arse clowns and call it a day you are going to rebuttle with 'not when the owner isn't online'. My overall point however is why should legitament explorers be lumped in with them? Seems quite unfair to these people in my view.

d. As for the 'gun totting RPers' or what not... what difference if he weilds a 'gun' or a 'club glow stick'? either one cant hurt you.

Reminds me of what happened to me one day before I bought my own land (& yes we use a security sphere, not ban lines) I was entertaining a young lady (we were just cuddling atm) in my apartment, and while letting her know I had given her access to the door, no sooner had I said this to her when someone piped up and asked does that include him? The greifer who had been stalking her had just come into my apartment unannounced; the door did not sound...nothing, no warning. He sat down behind us unannounced. As I have no aversion to people seeing my avi nude or to nudity in general, that wouldn’t even be the point. I was livid! I told him to LEAVE as quietly as he had left. So he did...my door opened without the noise it usually makes and without the announcement, and closed behind him. Keep in mind, this was a LOCKED door...How would YOU feel in a situation like this?
I believe if one pays for something like locked doors or security, they should work

Are you going to start paying my tier? If not, then no I will not share and share alike. Manners and property rights are not paranoia.

Because it is mine? Because I pay the tier on it and no one else does? All the reason I need.

So your selfish, introverted and perhaps tinged with some egotism. Fair enough, all that needs to be said. I at least respect the fact you don't try to hide your true feelings even if I don't agree.

If a parcel is listed in places you can assume that all of it is public until you find otherwise.
If a parcel is not listed in places you have to assume that all of it is private until you find out otherwise.

If you never go where you don't know if you're supposed to, you're almost guaranteed to never encounter a single banline or a security orb warning. Anyone who snoops/squats/pixelbumps on a parcel that they don't know for a fact is public is a griefer in my opinion. You can use the word "explorer" to try and give it a legitimate sound, but it's no different than the people who call themselves the "police" as an excuse to grief.

If you want to use a vehicle: there are dozens upon dozens of Linden owned sims for that purpose and a variety of private sims that "advertise" as being vehicle-friendly.
If you want to visit new places: there's search, picks, the forums and plenty of "travel" blogs that'll keep you entertained until the end of days.
If you want to meet people: search will yield a wide variety of hang-outs, as well reading the recurring threads where people list their favourite social places

If you just want to randomly impose yourself on others and snoop wherever you feel like then you should expect to be "inconvenienced" since you're the one who's being anti-social by refusing to see that noone is required to use their land according to your desires or expectations.

Gotta say, if you're going to explore, fine, I do that to some extent (without entering people's homes), but I don't see where anyone gets off bitching because they didn't like what they encountered on someone else's "Your land, your rules" property. If you can't take encounters of the unpleasant kind now and then, don't explore. If you do explore, don't bitch. And if you do invade people's homes and take a prurient interest in their sex-related objects, well I'd like to orbit you myself. Find a good therapist. Or maybe a girl friend.

It just seems to me, in my short time here, SL has evolved (devolved?) into a police state/hide behind my barrier mentality. Taking the 'social' aspect out of 'social network site'. All I am saying.

So you are ill mannered and trespass where you are not invited. Along with a sense of entitlement to the fruits of other people's labors.

Glad we understand each other.

While I despise ban lines and other security devices I have always respected the privacy of others. I guess some would disagree when I have been ejected for merely trying to fly over their land, but that's another issue.

The absurdity, however, at how much some people value their so called "privacy" in SL makes me now want to start poking into all kinds of places that I don't belong just to start pissing people off.

to be a police state it would have to be the Lindens doing the banning.

Thats more a function of people being unreasonable and reactionary with their bans and banlines.

Some people are that way, and people purposely further intruding on their perceived privacy are likely to only cause them to become more exclusionary

Yeah, I didn't say I would do it, just that it makes me want to do it. Kind of like I always thought it'd be fun to go into a china shop and start smashing things. Fortunately, I've been sensible enough so far not to do so.

People tend to behave differently in SL than they do in RL. In some cases, drastically so. In SL, it's perfectly normal for people to leave their sex objects rezzed in their homes, because they're afraid of them getting lost if they leave them in their inventory, among other reasons (see previous threads on inventory loss). And what one person in SL considers to be a sealed area, others may see as being in open public view. Walls don't mean a thing when one can just cam around them.



Absolutely, it's unfair to people who just want to explore. However, in this case, as in real life, a few bad apples spoil it for everyone else. Security systems are preferable to ban lines, because explorers can still travel through areas with a live security system safely as long as they move along quickly. What sucks the worst is bouncing off a ban line and crashing to the ground while your vehicle keeps on going.

Id like to see someone lead a bull into a China Shop.

Just so I could see the actual source for the expression.

They did that on a TV show. I think it was Myth Busters, but not sure.

They used styrofoam "china" so the bull wouldn't get hurt by broken pottery.

Surprisingly, the bull did not knock over anything as it ran up and down the asiles. Proving to be quite agile. Several peices of "china" were knocked to the floor, but this was due to the wind of the bull's passing on the lightweight foam, not from actual contact with the bull.

~Jessy