SL closing down??

You don't?

The "dedicated" public servant is a myth. I guess you have bought into the brainwashing.

When did I target adult babies..? To quote an erudite young man.. links please....?

Apples and oranges. But yes, if it was not common knowledge, it would be up to you to prove if questioned.

The burden is on you because you made the claim.

Well I guess that I know many myths..

i guess you dont even know what an adult baby is. which just proves your ignorance. im talking about sexual age players. you are blatantly targeting them and lumping them in the same category as rl child predators who exchange rl child porn. and they are entirely different groups of people with no overlap or correlation between the two groups.

Or is that Ms......

Because, otherwise, it's just your opinion. You can't expect people to blindly say, "Oh, it must be true if Stephen says it is!" That would make us sheep, which we are decidedly not.

I'm sorry I stuck my oar in, I really am..

The OP asked a question, it was ridiculed and I chipped in with some ideas as to why it wasn't quite so insane as it was being represented.

Conspiracy theories aside, various agencies are concerned about what goes on in SL among a MINORITY group.

Their concerns aren't completely unfounded, I know that and to be honest you guys know that.

Role Play and it's affect on our RL judgement aside, RL Child Porn does circulate in SL. There was a thread about ARing in SL only recently in which it was discussed openly.

To be honest, in your desperation to justify and rationalise, you all come off sounding like the conflicted and slightly delusional minority that is the rest of the worlds stereotypical view of an SL citizen.. well done..

You're all right .. the world is nasty and vile and horrible and doesn't understand you at all.

The people who actually get off their bum and work in Child Support Agencies are "evil" and self serving, while the people in SL who RP as babies are the real hero's..

Mmmmmmmm......and we wonder why SL is so misunderstood..

I meant "NOPE" because you said the reference to SL suggested they'd identified the platform as a specific problem.

As I said, NOPE. Days before that statement, Sky News conducted an exposé into sexual ageplay in Second Life. They approached CEOP for a statement. You quoted that statement.

Ie. It was NOT because they'd identified SL as "specific problem".

Comprendé?

I'm sure most of us find sexual ageplay distasteful Stephen. Personally I find it abhorrent, but insinuating that anybody who questions you is motivated towards having sex with children does nothing but align you with the rest of Sky TV's drip-fed viewers.

I've done my research little boy because we've been down this road time and again over a number of years. As far as I'm aware there is NOT a substantial volume of legal and psychological case historys suggesting a link between immersive fantasy and subsequent RL action at all. Indeed, many psychologists seem to think indulging in this kind of fantasy DETERS people from acting on them in real life.

So, until you back-up comments like that with reliable sources, I think we can all take it for granted that YOU are the one playing games. After all, if there is such a substantial amount of evidence, you won't have a problem finding the relevant case studies, will you?

Mmmm.. I've roused the beast..

"Snide little Shite".. and "little boy"... both used in the derogatory. A bit ironic really considering the stance you're taking and the one I'm being accused of....

I tell you what Walker.. I'll show you mine, if you show me yours.... evidence that is..

Are you intending to accuse people who have an opinion on this in any way contrary to yours of tacitly supporting child porn?

you are a very hateful person and lack compassion for anyone who is different then you. you make me sad to live in a world where people judge others because you refuse to take the time to understand. even when i made an effort to explain and help you, you still insisted i was delusional. Thanks for attacking someone who should never have to go through abuse again. Thanks for being a part of the problem. Thanks for nothing.

Hey! I resemble that remark.

Once again Chris may be waxing hyperbolic but there have been cases of severe overzealousness in investigating and prosecuting alleged child abuse cases, especially in the 80's and 90's The McMartin Day Care case is an example. While the abuse of and exploitation of children is something that should be eradicated if possible, some agencies use this as an excuse to persue all sorts of agendas, some is probably well intentioned. But especially in the case of Government entities, at least in this country, they need to perpetuate and justify their existance, so the following of cases that are dubious at best would not surprie me. Erring on the side of caution when children are concerned is fine, but.....

Fixed. ^^

http://www.massively.com/2008/03/05/the-sky-news-debate-do-real-world-rules-apply-here/

Sounds like the reason neither you nor Raynor could get in was cuz of the pile of kids who ended up stoppin' in their sim last night. Sounds like it was about what I expected, as well as made much more interesting with the number of <4' avatars in the house



I know Swan doesn't much like me, but I also can't help but agree here. I've been here for half that time, and have seen no examples of RL child porn. I have seen remarkably little sexual ageplay -- some, but not in the amounts that Report Mainz or Sky News would like you to believe. I've seen a handful of locations offering sexual ageplay, most of which were part of "anything goes" sex spots that fizzled and died on their own. I have been propositioned twice inworld, one of those times I suspect I might have been "Ruthed."

Like Swan, I'm not saying bad things dun happen here -- but I am saying that they dun happen to the level these sensationalist news organizations claim. It's frankly a lot like so many other media outlets who come into Second Life, make their story about the lurid things they see here, and try to sell it as "reporting." I don't know Mr. Farrell's background, but I suspect he's no stranger to this sort of "scare journalism" he's done here.



From the Sky News thing last night, according to the Massively.com report:

"We think the next speaker is the unknown researcher, who says that it is possible that the potentially deviant fantasy role-playing that can take place in virtual worlds may be transferrable to the real world, but that it is not at present provable, or known which individuals might be susceptable to this."

Possible. May. Not at present provable. That's what it boils down to. A media report trafficing in unknowns in some attempt to 'scare" their viewers into watching their report, with no real, tangible proof that there truly *is* a real issue.

I personally do not care for sexual ageplay -- but I think I care less for these slimy "news" outlets attempting to use sexual ageplay to boost their own ratings. This reporter may well have run afoul of SLs own rules on sexual ageplay in order to concoct his story -- and he expects us to trust him?

Mari

That's Stephen, in a nutshell.

Hello Collette,

Now you know, I do enjoy being the object of hatred and disapproval, but if you look back over my posts I'm pretty sure I've never said such a thing.

"Any community which tacitly supports or makes excuses for the trafficing of Child Porn should be investigated"

I'll say again.... there is trafficing of child porn in SL... some agencies have expressed concern over both that and the occasional graphic depiction of adults have sex with children that occurs in certain SL communities.

This concern and potential legislative changes in the UK may make the capture and storage of those images illegal in the UK.

If that happens and more countries, including the US start to take a less ambivalent view, LL may have to look at things more closely.

That's all I've ever said I think.

You also tried to imply that I had sinister motivations simply for correcting an erroneous conclusion you reached about a CEOP statement.

That makes you a bit of a shit in my opinion.

You also made reference to all kinds of research which you've failed to corroborate.

I guess we can wait for you to Google.

Oh dear Walker.. to have had to sink so low..

So if you haven't got the wit to discuss or even argue intelligently, you use your mastery of the keyboard to illegally misrepresent someone.

Ahhh.. such a shame.. particularly in such a staunch supporter of civil liberties and freedom of speech.

Once again touche, on a point well made..

Walker.. lets be clear.. I never thought you had sinister motivations.

I just don't think you're quite as bright as you think you are..

I'm sorry. I'm not fluent in idiot. Could you just point me towards the evidence so we can move on with this angle of the debate you have so intelligently crafted?

So where is it?

The idiots are hanging upon your every word, oh mighty one.

LL has already banned sexual depictions of "minor" SL avatars which is more than US law requires. What else could they do to comply with any European cartoon porn laws?

Actual Child Pornography as defined by US statutes has never been allowed in Second Life.

People do need to remember LL can't have a Linden sitting there watching every single texture uploaded by or traded between Residents.

If Yahoo Instant messenger were used to send illegal images, people wouldn't blame Yahoo. Why is Linden Labs at fault for the illegal actions of its residents?

Child Porn is an internet wide problem. The people trading Child Porn are the guilty ones, not Web Hosts. They only become complicit if they refuse to act once infractions are brought to their attention.

Sure, because anyone who disagrees with you must be unintelligent, right?