Voice awareness for non-voice users

ANYWAYS, back to the OP, you can't?
but there were a few good suggestions & you are not alone.

Perhaps the fact that I wasn't using voice meant that the actual statement that I made was obscured, somehow.

Oh, I know what you meant, I was just giving you the benefit of the doubt by questioning it. Basically, what you are saying is that there are certain modes of speech which you think automatically convey something about the person's very nature regardless of what they say. You are unashamed of the fact that this is based on stereotypes; in fact you try to defend their use with "no smoke without fire" type handwaving.

To be honest I could just leave a lot of your argument alone without being irritated by it, but the "ghetto pimp" reference really is simple social prejudice. You don't mean "pimp" at all; what you mean is that they sound like they come from a poor social group. You then tack on various other qualities, assumptions of criminality and so on. These stereotypes are inherited from your own social group and nowhere else; I can guarantee you that I would not possess them, indeed, after a couple of years living in Baltimore and Philadelphia and coming from London, I can say that it took me some time to even realise that there _were_ prejudices attached to certain accents and dialects, and none of them had any connection to the characters and behaviours of the people concerned, just to their geographical and economic status.

It is natural to inherit prejudices, I have my own; one just has to challenge them at every opportunity, not celebrate them.

Ya ain't reading my posts then.

Oh, and if this hasn't been posted yet - if anybody wants to see perhaps one of the most extreme examples of a way in which somebody sounds can most definitely _not_ be representative of their thoughts and character...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnylM1hI2jc

yea, yea ...

pfft.

Although an interesting point...it's not relevant to the main point. Books are better at some things...but not so good at other things...


Example...let's pretend that the filmed people in the movies where the real people...would the way Hannible was written give you a better idea of who that person was...or the the way Hopkins play him?

See, the very interesting thing here, which many of you have ignored, is the amount of YOU that you put into someone else's written word. You read a book, and you make the character in your own vision...however, if you were to hear your character speak the dialog...you'd get a totally different connection...you'd see the real them.

Ya?

This is very broad. People keep bringing these things up...but until you hear him speak...you can't quit understand what he's all about. The WAY he says things...the WAY he punches those emotionally loaded words...the WAY he hesitates when he says 'painting.'...lol...it's all there in voice...not in text.

I think a lot of posts are getting missed in the speed of the thread, I know my last one did lol

Nop.

The book was better.

I think from here on out it's just going to be a lot of LAHLAHLHAH NOT POSSIBLE anyways.

Hmmm...OK. So movies like Friday can use these stereotypes...but when I use them...it's what?

* Covers her ears*

La la la la la .... I don't hear youuuu.

I'm not sure what the relevance of this comment is. You are not, I believe, trying to construct a work of fictional cinema here. Quite the opposite - you are making definitive statements that you claim are RL fact.

Ya? And what does your very reply here to me, tell me about you? If I were to go by your response here, I'd say you were a dick. Are you? Probably not. Let's all keep an open mind.

I think, right here, in this one statement you made you have summed up what some people have been trying to say all along

OK. If you're in understanding and agree with me...I take it back...a few of you agree and understand. I'm a hypocrite too...I tend to work in hyperbole also.

lol...cute. But that's not him. That's noise and murmmering.

Nice vid though...sorta.

OK, so please tell me, why have I not had an open mind...which is what you're eluding to right?

I've agreed that the written word can be descriptive and embody the general idea of who someone is...

But the way someone talk to you, holds many more clues, meanings, and truths...that's all I'm saying. And some of you don't believe this to be true...

And I like debating and writing...as do a lot of us here...so I keep expressing myself in hopes you'll not only understand my viewpoint, but that you also see the absolute truth in it.

I hope that's OK.

The book was better...ummm....or the truth and complexity of Hanible was bigger? See in the book, the description is fantastic...

But again...in reading Hannible...you create him in your vision. So it's not really HIM (if he existed)...but if Anthony Hopkins WAS him...you'd be forced to see the person for who they really were, instead of your unavoidable personal projection on the character...

No whu uh mean?

Just took the liberty of juxtaposing those two comments.

Good. We are on the same playing field--so you understand then that, in the real...there are such things as 'ghetto pimps.'

Because, whether you hate me for actually 'going there' or not, the fact is stereotypes have been created, and etched in stone. They exist. So much so that much of Comedy (and Commedia especially) have been based heavily on the concept of stereotype.

And connecting the two points...hearing someone's 'ghetto pimp' style of speech will tell you much about who a person really is. Let's also keep in mind, our parents and our environment are not the sole sculptor of someones personality...there is always choice. And the way someone chooses to speak, and talk...is exactly what I'm trying to say...

God...there is so much about the way a person can say a single word...that text can not even touch. This be the point.

((edit: do not mistake my honesty about stereotypes to mean I'm judging anyone. I strongly believe in someone's actions as a definitive label, not by their slang, lexicon, tattoos, or habits.))

This shows me that the last post I did to you (page 35) did indeed get missed as it sort of answers your question. I will toss it in here anyway.




It is what it is? The absolute truth of it? Its not as if we are arguing the color of an apple or something that is in its purest form fact based for pity sake. Seriously, that isnt seen as being open minded, at all. Nor does the post I am replying to. It is the absolute truth because you say so? Or because you believe it to be? Urm, that isnt being open minded that is flat out saying 'My opinion is right, I wish you would change yours and see it my way'

At least...it is seen as you saying that in MY opinion.

In my view, voice is more intense, you get more emotion, but you can still learn about someone without it. I dont have to believe it the exact way you do for you to go on believing it. I just dont understand why you are so stubborn, so fixed in your mindset to give even the tiniest inch of admitance that it might not 'just' be your way. It just isnt what it is. It is what you see it as. That doesnt make it right or wrong, it makes it your view. Let others have theirs without having to come in in order to make them see it as absolute truth. Sure, come in and go over your opinion and debate, but trying to force someone to change their view to be like yours makes people fiesty.

This is so rude.

And you want us to believe this?



Meanie

Judging a person based on a stereotype is just ignorant, honestly. Sure, they fit 'some' but rarely 'all' of the subject of the stereotype. You do realize that movies, tv shoes and comedians base concepts on stereotypes a lot of the time to belittle the stereotype itself for being ignorant and just plain old stupid, right?

Well...in a strange way, both of these things can exist at once. They are opinions nonetheless...

I do have an open mind...but I also see your point.