The one thing that we all agree upon?
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Seven Okelli
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09-17-2009 10:25
From: Pserendipity Daniels Nothing is universally true. Here's the proof:
Nothing non-physical can be universally true because it depends upon the communication of concepts between individuals, who will almost certainly have different cultural frames of reference.
Nothing physical that is in the future can be universally true because of risk.
Nothing in the past that has not been observed by everybody in the population discussing the question can be universally true because of uncertainty.
Nothing in the past has been observed by everybody in the population discussing the question.
Pep (And I will delete this post soon so you can't even rely on its existence as a universal truth.) The problem with this is that it's logical. Logic isn't a reflection of reality, logic is a tool that builds *models* of reality. And one can't assume that all of reality is amenable to logic, or can be contained in a logical model. Some things could be beyond our ability to comprehend or perceive. Also, there is a contradiction in your proof - not a REAL contradiction, but a logical one: if nothing is universally true, then this proof can't be true either, because it would violate the proof by being itself a universal truth. .
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Sling Trebuchet
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The one thing that we all agree upon?
09-17-2009 10:33
That we can't all agree on something.
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Laurin Sorbet
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09-17-2009 10:38
My bunnies are fluffy and the get fluffier when they get wet  |
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Lindal Kidd
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09-17-2009 10:39
From: Alisha Matova we all smell. Michael Jackson didn't, but I bet he does now. 
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Lindal Kidd
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09-17-2009 10:40
From: Alexander Harbrough 1 + 1 = 2?... Nuh UH! 1+1 = 3, for sufficiently large values of 1.
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Pserendipity Daniels
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09-17-2009 10:43
From: Seven Okelli The problem with this is that it's logical. Logic isn't a reflection of reality, logic is a tool that builds *models* of reality. And one can't assume that all of reality is amenable to logic, or can be contained in a logical model. Some things could be beyond our ability to comprehend or perceive.
Also, there is a contradiction in your proof - not a REAL contradiction, but a logical one: if nothing is universally true, then this proof can't be true either, because it would violate the proof by being itself a universal truth.
. I explained that the proof is only locally and ephemerally true. Pep (So it doesn't contradict the theorem regarding Universal Truths.)
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Pserendipity Daniels
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09-17-2009 10:45
From: Argent Stonecutter A ∪ Ᾱ ⇒ Ω That means "Get us a crocodile sandwich, waiter, and make it snappy" in an obsolete dialect of Hungarian. Pep (So what has it got to do with truth?)
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Pserendipity Daniels
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09-17-2009 10:46
From: Laurin Sorbet My bunnies are fluffy and the get fluffier when they get wet I know something that gets wetter as it dries. Pep (A towel)
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Argent Stonecutter
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09-17-2009 10:47
Something else Pep doesn't know?  |
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Qie Niangao
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09-17-2009 10:47
Agreeing about things that are true is Logic.
Agreeing about things that are unknown is Religion.
Agreeing about things that are false is History.
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Zepar Zhukovsky
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09-17-2009 11:19
In the set of people that are sane and use SL or have used SL for a sufficient amount of time, all will agree that SL is not perfect. Upon reflection, and review of posts made by others in this forum, its possible that I'm the only one in that set.
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Smith Peel
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09-17-2009 11:31
Time spent posting in forums could probably be put to better use in most cases  |
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09-17-2009 11:33
From: Sling Trebuchet That we can't all agree on something. Never would have thought that WE would agree on something Sling, but this is the only true thing in this thread. And probably that won't change. Sorry to say you failed with your OP Des, I am not really fond of pie  |
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LittleMe Jewell
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09-17-2009 11:35
From: Desmond Shang If you can think of something we all agree upon, post it here.
Just one posted dissent will invalidate your answer.
I shall go first.
We all like pie. True, or no? Does cheesecake or apple crisp count as pie? If so, then I can agree.
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Veritable Quandry
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09-17-2009 11:38
From: Aeslyn Dae Second Life is good - but isn't as good as it could have been. I always liked pudding more than pie, especially if it's steak and kidney and my Mum made it. -- Aes 1. Why does your mum make steak and kidney pudding? Never mind, my mum was like that too. 2. What about a pudding pie? Chocolate, not steak and kidney. |
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Seven Okelli
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09-17-2009 11:40
From: Pserendipity Daniels I explained that the proof is only locally and ephemerally true.
Pep (So it doesn't contradict the theorem regarding Universal Truths.) Well, I'll be damned! .
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Lear Cale
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09-17-2009 11:42
From: Pserendipity Daniels Nothing is universally true. Assuming this statement applies to itself, it has exceptions. If it doesn't apply to itself, then it's false. [Edit -- I see someone beat me to it. But, it's beside the point of the thread, anyway.] |
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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09-17-2009 11:43
That "Immy" person is a whole buncha trouble. =^-^=
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Lear Cale
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09-17-2009 11:46
From: Imnotgoing Sideways That "Immy" person is a whole buncha trouble. =^-^= That's it! Any disagreement? |
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Bradley Bracken
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09-17-2009 11:47
I don't have anything to add to this except I'll gladly have bread pudding.
(Is bread pudding a pie? a cake? Doesn't matter, it's what I want.
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Lear Cale
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09-17-2009 11:53
From: Pserendipity Daniels I explained that the proof is only locally and ephemerally true.
Pep (So it doesn't contradict the theorem regarding Universal Truths.) No you didn't. You said you'd delete the post. Sheesh! |
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Lear Cale
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09-17-2009 11:53
From: Pserendipity Daniels Nothing non-physical can be universally true because it depends upon the communication of concepts between individuals, who will almost certainly have different cultural frames of reference. The possibility exists that there are truths that remain consistent across all possible cultural frameworks. |
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Argent Stonecutter
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09-17-2009 12:21
What Pep is saying is "R={x:x ∉ x} ⇒ R ∈ R ⇔ R ∉ R".
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sable Valentine
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09-17-2009 12:38
Posting from another thread, which I believe everyone can agree with. From: Har Fairweather Boy, this thread ballooned fast!
Jig, sorry I didn't get on soon enough to catch the first thirty pages or so, but if you've read this far, here, finally, is the answer to your original Question:
The answer is: Oral Sex.
With oral sex, it doesn't matter who is hot and who is not. As long as both people are obliging, it is blessed both to give and to receive. (If you get my drift, and I assume you do.)
Actually, it doesn't much matter what the Question is; the answer to any question is usually Oral Sex. World peace? Oral sex. How to find happiness? Oral sex. The answer to the universe and life and everything? Oral sex (by the 42nd time you will understand this. Trust me.) See what I mean? |
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Imnotgoing Sideways
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09-17-2009 12:42
From: sable Valentine Posting from another thread, which I believe everyone can agree with. Uhm... Eew. (>_< |
