Second Life Harrassment of Newbs and Others
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Brenda Connolly
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06-23-2008 09:28
From: Aryen Navarathna How do you do those? What's NCI (everyone uses the acronym but doesn't say what it stands for). Is this something you can only do from in-game? NCI= New Citizens Incorporated. They have several sims dedicated to helping new arrivals. Do a search. It will be worth your time.
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06-23-2008 09:28
From: Aryen Navarathna So whats with the benches and camping? Why do you make money for doing these things? It increases the traffic to a certain store/sim or whatever and puts them higher in the search results as a popular place. You get paid a tiny bit in return. The issue with bots is that someone might run multiple avatars solely for the purpose of parking them on camping spots, purely to suck money out of SL. Do the sums...say you have a camper at $2/10 mins, that's $288 a day, multiply by 30 and that's $8640. Now say you do that with 10 av's you've got $86400 a month which is about $354 US...for doing nothing. I have no issue from a function from campers, particularly for newbies that are just testing things out but bots that deprive *real* people from getting a little bit of cash to spend like that aren't well liked (understatement). I found 4 the other day, on bondage crosses, each one a default Ruth or Steve. Possibly the store doesn't care? dunno.
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Aryen Navarathna
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06-23-2008 09:32
From: Kitty Barnett Am I the only one who wondered how someone who never even logged on would know about "caging"?  I'm of the mentality that someone who doesn't know something doesn't know something. It's a stretch I know, but that's why I'm researching this and plan to write a blog article about it. I think that if people are going to get involved with Second Life, they should know the most common types of harassment and what to do about them. Have any tips  ? Besides teleporting home that is... I think we've covered that.
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06-23-2008 09:33
From: Aryen Navarathna I just wanted to point out that I really love this analogy. Very well said  However, I agree that it shouldn't be called "rape". Maybe "virtual rape" at best or at least "virtual violation". Annoyed or harrassed work for me. I understand the Obscene phone call analogy, to a point. But I still don't subscribe to any of these things happening in SL to be anywhere near as ominous as in RL. But I recognize others may. It's just the way I see it, I keep that level of detachment. Saves on the hysteria when these conversations come up.
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Aryen Navarathna
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06-23-2008 09:35
From: Jojogirl Bailey Thanks for not blasting me Lindal...LOL. Once i understood what was happening and how to deal with it, i have never again been in a position in SL that brought out those emotions. In fact now i get great joy out of giving them a lecture in manners and explaining what an AR is to anyone who acts like an idiot LOL.
I think the shock for me at that time was that i COULD feel that way. That was a huge surprise and TBH i think many men here prob cant fathom that someone made of pixels could make a woman feel vulnerable. But it does happen and anyone who poo poo's it...well i have a whip now baby!
For the OP, i think it is great that you are researching, but there is seriously NOTHING bad that can happen to your RL person in SL. Nothing. Once you realize that, you will be golden. I wanted to thank you for sharing your story. It makes explaining this to people more real. Even though I'm a man, I put a lot of care and attention into my "characters" in other online communities and being tricked or violated by random jerks, well... I can definitely understand how that would feel. Especially if you couldn't stop it at first. That aside, how do you file an AR? I tried looking it up, but I don't know what AR stands for. (Edit: whoops found it in the next few posts. Nevermind)
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06-23-2008 09:35
From: Brenda Connolly Yes, indeed. I'm sorry it happened to him. He seemed to enjoy it enough, from the description of what he was doing as it was happening ...
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Aryen Navarathna
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06-23-2008 09:41
From: Amity Slade So I guess rape is a light-hearted, non-serious topic.
No, it's true that the interactions of avatars in Second Life will not meet any jurisdictions legal definition of rape.
It's also true that some people are more emotionally affected by what they do in Second Life than others. Some people can easily disassociate the virtual pixels from the real self and thus limit emotional reactions to what happens to their Second Life avatars.
But it's also true that there are some people in Second Life attempt to be menacing to others, and it can be truly terrifying to the victims of that.
If you are a person who wouldn't be so upset about the unwanted virtual sexual assault on one's avatar, that's great. Showing a bit of respect, if not understanding, to someone who isn't quite so thick-skinned, would be a nice thing on your part, if you were so inclined.
If you think you are the kind of person who might be frightened of the unwanted virtual sexual assault:
1. Knowing what you can do about such harassment before it happens will help you to be less upset about it when it happens. A lot of being upset about harassment is the feeling of powerlessness, not knowing what you can do about it. If you know in advance that there are a lot of things you can do about it, it won't bother you as much.
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9. The overwhelming, overwhelming majority of Second Life residents are actually nice people. It takes a little bit of time to find them; you have to get away from the newbie areas as quickly as possible. But there really are very few harassers, and at least in my experience, it's a rare, not a common, occurence.
10. It's good to have friends in Second Life. They support you when you do run into problems, and in those cases, the problems usually don't seem like big problems. Excellent information! Thank you!
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Aryen Navarathna
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06-23-2008 09:44
From: Katalin Skytower Well this is a scary thread. What is this "heart"?
So far I have not faced any form of harassment, but then I crashed before I could get off of the help island. The heart was something I misread. She was talking about poseballs. After reading the responses in this thread, I understood what she was talking about.
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Aryen Navarathna
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06-23-2008 09:51
From: Har Fairweather The people who are vulnerable to this sort of thing are, of course, the newbies, who dpon't know what to do, or are so flustered they don't think of tp'ing or logging off. Depending on their personalities, they can find it very upsetting, as you can see from some of the posts here. It would not surprise me if some new Residents are driven away by this sort of thing, never to return. Once they do know, of course, it ceases to be a problem. Knowledge is the answer; help out a newbie today. Hear, hear!
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06-23-2008 09:51
From: Amity Slade Maybe we worry too much about trolling posts.
There's no reward for distinguishing the honest question from thet one with hidden motivation.
If there is a potentially legitimate question within the original post that could be a legitimate question that someone else has on one's mind, then answering the legitimate part of the question might be helpful to lurkers reading the thread, even if the original poster didn't actually care about the question.
If you see flame-bait in the question, just do your best to resist the bait. Hear, hear! for you too.
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Aryen Navarathna
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06-23-2008 09:58
From: Merchant Parx The incident I'm about to recount was a very difficult experience for me, so please bear with me if my emotions get the better of me and I need to take a break now and again.
The other day I was in Aherne not long after I arrived in SL, I was just minding my own business when this woman IM'd me. She seemed nice (although she didn't seem to be wearing much clothing).
Anyway she asked if I wanted to go to her house for tea and biscuits, she said she had some spare clothes which she could give me and also some other tools which would make my first few days in SL much easier.
Anyway, she disappeared and next thing a little message popped up asking me to Teleport to her location. I thought she was my friend, so I clicked ok.
When the screen returned, I had arrived in what seemed a very nice (if somewhat dark and eerie) castle. The lady in question now seemed to be wearing nothing at all, except for some strange leather belt type things wrapped across her tummy and upper body.
She still seemed pleasant enough and asked me to sit down by right-clicking and sitting on the chair next to her. She then said she was going to give me a gift and that I should accept it.
The next thing I knew, was that my avatar was acting against my will and moving to a strange wooden horse contraption.. my poor little avatar proceed to straddle the said device.. exposing its most vulnerable and until now unseen pink areas.
When I focussed on my hostess to she if she could help, a strange metamorphisis was occurring.. her pleasing female curves were changing.. she had grown much taller.. her chest expanded and sprouted thick wiry hair.. her pretty face contorted into that of a snarling, drooling wolf-like creature..
Worse of all when my gaze travelled down her now grossly muscled and hirsute torso I almost fainted at the sight of the thick, pulsating.... *sob .. oh God sorry.. I can't even bring myself to describe it..
Now, if only I'd stopped touching myself long enough to Log off, TP away, or simply unplug my PC from the mains, I could have saved myself from the violent abuse my sorry virtual rectum encountered that horrible day.
However I was either so slow witted, or indeed enjoying the scene far too much to think of such straightforward remedies to my situation.
I hope by passing on what happened to me I can save you from a similar fate.
Peace be with you all. You're a genius. I've only been in the forums for 3 days and I've already reported someone.
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Ann Launay
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06-23-2008 09:59
From: Aryen Navarathna I've only been in the forums for 3 days and I've already reported someone. Why? 
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Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
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06-23-2008 10:02
From: Brenda Connolly Annoyed or harrassed work for me. I understand the Obscene phone call analogy, to a point. But I still don't subscribe to any of these things happening in SL to be anywhere near as ominous as in RL. But I recognize others may. It's just the way I see it, I keep that level of detachment. Saves on the hysteria when these conversations come up. I don't think it's fair to classify someone being affected emotionally as "hysterical". It seems to me that in Second Life more than anything else I've seen your avatar really is an extension of you. And as someone else already said, it's not about what happens, it's about feeling uncomfortable AND not being able to stop it.
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Aryen Navarathna
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06-23-2008 10:04
From: Ann Launay Why?  Maybe it wasn't meant to be offensive, but I felt as if he was mocking me and everyone else in this thread. I take this topic seriously and didn't appreciate it. Maybe nothing will come of it and I'm over-reacting and if so, so be it, but I reported it so someone else can look at it and decide.
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06-23-2008 10:05
From: Ann Launay From: Aryen Navarathna You're a genius. I've only been in the forums for 3 days and I've already reported someone. Why?  Deviance? (o.o)
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06-23-2008 10:07
From: Aryen Navarathna Maybe it wasn't meant to be offensive, but I felt as if he was mocking me and everyone else in this thread. I take this topic seriously and didn't appreciate it. Maybe nothing will come of it and I'm over-reacting and if so, so be it, but I reported it so someone else can look at it and decide. I just thought it was meant to be funny...and it was. *shrug* A lot of people on this forum are highly irreverent, but they don't aim to hurt anyone by it.
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Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
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06-23-2008 10:17
From: Aryen Navarathna Maybe it wasn't meant to be offensive, but I felt as if he was mocking me and everyone else in this thread. I take this topic seriously and didn't appreciate it. Maybe nothing will come of it and I'm over-reacting and if so, so be it, but I reported it so someone else can look at it and decide. Hello Aryen, Well I was (trying) to be amusing in my own little way. I also thought it might be obvious that my little story didn't actually happen. You're correct though, I was mocking you and anyone else who trivialises RL rape by equating it to SL griefing. There was me thinking I'd been reported for the unsolicited use of the word "rectum".. 
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06-23-2008 10:18
From: Merchant Parx Hello Aryen, Well I was (trying) to be amusing in my own little way. I also thought it might be obvious that my little story didn't actually happen. You're correct though, I was mocking you and anyone else who trivialises RL rape by equating it to SL griefing. There was me thinking I'd been reported for the unsolicited use of the word "rectum"..  It's not offensive when used as a noun. Only when it becomes an adjective.
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06-23-2008 10:20
From: Brenda Connolly It's not offensive when used as a noun. Only when it becomes an adjective. As long as it's ok to use it as a verb, I'm fine.. 
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Brenda Connolly
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06-23-2008 10:22
From: Aryen Navarathna I don't think it's fair to classify someone being affected emotionally as "hysterical". It seems to me that in Second Life more than anything else I've seen your avatar really is an extension of you. And as someone else already said, it's not about what happens, it's about feeling uncomfortable AND not being able to stop it. People approach SL in different ways. I have mine, you have yours. i didn't intend to mock yours, only to say I disagree with it. If it came off otherwise, I apologize.
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06-23-2008 10:23
From: Merchant Parx As long as it's ok to use it as a verb, I'm fine..  As in.."Rectum? Damn near Killed 'em".
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06-23-2008 10:32
From: Aryen Navarathna Maybe it wasn't meant to be offensive, but I felt as if he was mocking me and everyone else in this thread. I take this topic seriously and didn't appreciate it. Maybe nothing will come of it and I'm over-reacting and if so, so be it, but I reported it so someone else can look at it and decide. Ok.... Look Aryen, if you haven't already, how about you just go inworld and get some experience for your research paper. I hardly feel it's fair to base the SL experience upon a bunch of posts in a discussion forum! You're in danger of entering with a whole load of prejudice if you're not careful. From my short length of experience in calendar terms but hardly in hours, I have found that more griefing has been performed by irrelevant newbies than seasonsed role players in what might be considered deviant places.
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Brenda Connolly
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06-23-2008 10:36
From: Sassy Romano Ok....
Look Aryen, if you haven't already, how about you just go inworld and get some experience for your research paper. I hardly feel it's fair to base the SL experience upon a bunch of posts in a discussion forum!
You're in danger of entering with a whole load of prejudice if you're not careful.
From my short length of experience in calendar terms but hardly in hours, I have found that more griefing has been performed by irrelevant newbies than seasonsed role players in what might be considered deviant places. That's probably the best advice. You can't find all the mines, unless you go into the minefield.Go out and explore. Take things as they happen. You can't prepare for every occurrance. And maybe most importantly, No matter how deep you choose to immerse yourself in SL, no matter how real it seems, if you don't have a sense of humor about it, you will find it rough going.
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06-23-2008 10:52
From: Merchant Parx Hello Aryen, Well I was (trying) to be amusing in my own little way. I also thought it might be obvious that my little story didn't actually happen. You're correct though, I was mocking you and anyone else who trivialises RL rape by equating it to SL griefing. There was me thinking I'd been reported for the unsolicited use of the word "rectum"..  Like I said, I probably overreacted. I was hoping for a real story because I'm trying to help people and the examples are useful. Thank you for explaining though.
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06-23-2008 10:59
Personally, I think you might be trying to address a problem that doesn't really exist in the scale that you might perceive it to do so? Meet me inworld and i'll show you some experiences...and some "interesting" social behaviour. Genuine offer but i'm done with the out of world analysis. 
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