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Drivin Sideways
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01-11-2008 08:33
So, how much per week do you guys all spend on troll food?
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Colette Meiji
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01-11-2008 08:48
From: Drivin Sideways
So, how much per week do you guys all spend on troll food?


Shes an inefficient troll as well,

uses far too many words to get the response.
Strauss Ulderport
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01-11-2008 09:42
From: Darling Sieyes
in our group, we are taught to make reports.


Again by whom, how much training did they give you, for how long and what qualifications and training do they have to train anyone?

From: someone
like i said in previous posts, there is reasoning why i do not use proper form in forums...

i write, when i write, sometimes it is in parts, sometimes it does not relate to one subject...i may have several articles which i work on as something is brought to my attention.


That is your choice. As a result by your lack of any ability of proper grammar or logical flow (It's almost painful reading your posts) I can only draw the conclusion you are undereducated at worst. Or lazy and inconsiderate of netetiquette at best. Either way if there was a real 'police force' in SL I doubt you would make the cut to be on it.

From: someone
i apologize for those of you who do not like this, but i use many things, so at first glance, i recall why i did so...and can find things easier.


Speaking of no logical flow...

From: someone
i passed my pd exam at 94%...
we are well organized, yet there is still so much to do...


You don't mind posted a copy of the exam then do you? Who created this exam? What education/skill set do they have to create such a exam? what is on the exam? I can throw out arbitrary % numbers about myself too. Means little of no context is given.

From: someone
we will not pop in someones space without invitation...using weapons, throwing power trips...this is not our way, nor our cause...we are here volunteer, to help.


Then why don't you volunteer using the proper channels becoming a mentor or donate your own time at newbie places? From what you say its the same difference.

From: someone
to find out the answers to your questions, i think it would be best for u to join the recruit group, temporary, if this is what u want...and see for yourself.


I have better things to do with my time then join your fantasy group. And if you cant answer simple inquiries about your 'force' then that speaks for itself.

From: someone
in flesh world, i had pd training...old days tho, didnt even have pc's then, was only radio, and lots of paper work...
old school was good, but i like the innovations, which have been progressive...

some of us do work at pd's, and fire departments...and other areas of serving the public...


And so do others not associated with your fictional force. You don't see them trying to act more important then they are. I'd suggest you follow their lead and if you want to assist people do it IN THE ESTABLISHED CHANNELS ALREADY EXISTING AND NOT CREATING YOUR OWN.

From: someone
and no, i do not jump to conclusion, i do investigate, we are taught this in our training...for some of us, it comes naturally...where did u get the idea that *i was taking a small part of data, and jumping to conclusions* this has not happened...i have never jumped to conclusion, only solve issues so far, working things out between those involved. also, we take our notecards of info, and present it to our ranking officers, for help in deciding what can be done...


How did these people become 'ranking officers'? They just one day wake up, decide to make a 'police force' give themselves a title and poof, they are a 'ranking officer'?

And your previous comments dispute your above comment, but we will get to that in a bit.

From: someone
i have not filed an AR yet...i am in no hurry, i have always used methods in which to think out something which is not right...to find the wrong...and yes, some ppl do play the manipulation game...i take this in consideration as well...


And thats NOT YOUR JOB to do. That is LL and THEIR APPOINTED representatives job.

From: someone
we are not wannabe's...we are serving...at the request of those we serve. we are serious, we love this game, and we can see with this child molestation, child pimping, and all the rest of it, how it can effect our world...little by little our freedoms taken away, at the command of criminals...


You are wanna be's, hate to break it to you.

And here we have it, MANY TIMES you have been corrected on this. THERE ARE NO UNDERAGE KIDS ON THE MAIN GIRD. PERIOD. GET THAT THOUGH YOUR HEAD.

Only adults who ROLE PLAY children are here. If you do not like that then TOUGH! Thats their choice to do. It seems you using the cover of 'police' to mask the fact you are simply trying to impose your own moral value set on others.

This is NOT real life. No one can be 'abused' in SL. If someone finds themselves in a back situation they can TP away or logout unlike RL. No need for 'police' in that situation.

From: someone
we are not inclusive, we are not vigilante's


As was already pointed out, by the dictionary meaning of the word you are. Re-read the posts before if you dispute that with quites from said sources. Does not matter if you agree with the assessment or not, the fact is you are. Period.

From: someone
, we are citizens who feel duty is a gift to give one another...we do not hide what we do, we have no shame, as we do our best, as things present themselves.
we all have a police car, with flashing lights...but, we walk our beat, after teleporting to the land which asks for help...we do not charge for our services...


I will give you fair warning. If I see anyone with a 'police' tag or your little cars in the lands I own I will ban you on sight, mute you, and file a AR against you as you are violating the ToS by misrepresenting your authority in SL. And I will then have a little chat with my neighbors to do the same, and ask them to talk to their neighbors, and so on... By the time I am done I will have you group mass banned from my entire sim. And since I have a good relationship with my landlord who owns the sim... Won't be good for you or your 'police force'. Consider this your only warning and I'd suggest if you do visit the lands I own/rent you put the police tag, and your self righteousness, away.

From: someone
titles dont matter to me much, but it is a pride for some, to have accomplished moving up in ranks...
we see the needs, and we respond to help in the best way there is for now...we have grown to 80+ members, and assigned officers in charge of each division...


So theres a group of 80+ ppl as self delusional as yourself. Good to know, thanks for the tip.

From: someone
self appointed??? no, we see a job, we do it...we are asked for our services, other than helping new folks, our patrol is requested...
titles identify us with others...perhaps now, it is a hard title to wear, with all the negative remarks said in this forum...u can see this is obvious...


I can see you are blind to the fact you are part of the problem, not the cure.

From: someone
but there will come a day, when this title is no longer negative due to forms of role playing and the scoundrels who enjoy being mean and rude...


I wouldn't hold my breath.

From: someone
i wear my title, my tag, with pride, for i do know my intentions and the intentions of some of the ranking officers...
by our example, the bad will get bored...perhaps decide to do something worthwhile...


Never going to happen, sadly. the griefers have been around since the first BBS went online the in 70s and I see no reason they will up and quit one day. Best we can do is use policies and security measures to keep their effects as low as possible.

From: someone
my ego is satisfactory...i have accomplished quite a bit in my years, and i intend to accomplish more...
before i joined this pd, in fact, not too long after they first released pc's for the public...well not released...lol...sold...
but i came across a case in which a child was found dead, sexually molested...


Here you are confusing RL and SL again... not a productive or realistic thing to do.

From: someone
at that point in time, i made the decision to work as an officer, to catch these creeps...


Once again THERE ARE NO POSSIBLE WAYS CHILDREN ARE 'ABUSED' ON THE MAIN GRID. AS THERE ARE NO UNDERAGE PEOPLE ON SAID GRID. AND EVEN IF IT WAS POSSIBLE ALL ONE HAS TO DO IS TP AWAY OR LOG OUT.

From: someone
mind my own business? why do u think there are so many criminals? if something does not concern u, than it is not important for anyone... *snip*


I really do feel sorry for you. You have clearly lost the separation between the virtual world and the real world. You have my sympathy and I hope you get the help (both physically and mentally) you seemingly need.
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01-11-2008 09:44
From: Darling Sieyes
who made this rule, or asumption...that any police force that isnt LL is a vigilante by default...


Society.

You know? The one's that the police force is to protect and serve.

Only those sancitioned by the government of the land (in this can LL for SL) can authorise and enpower law enforcement offices. This has been around since the earliest recorded history in which humankind has had an organized society with law enforcement. Usually the military, or "king's men" in the beginning.

Anyone acting outside of that saction was a "criminal". Vigilante is a term now used for those that do things without such sanction, be their intent good or ill.

You ask why people are picking on you for using "u" instead of "you". Well, you claim that it saves you two extra keystrokes, which it does. However, this gives the impression of laziness. When opting to represent an organisation working to be a legal law enforcement, laziness is the last thing you wish to display. It gives teh impression that you tend to not follow through on things, nor to look at every aspect and how on thing relates to another. Wether true or not, this is the view such writing portrays.

This is why in collages, writing is a part of almost every course. Be it buisness, accounting, computes, or law enforcement. It is doubly so here on the internet, as we do not see, nor hear you. Only your text represents you.

Concidering your post is about "education and awareness" you may want to take your own post to heart and learn a few things before trying to elighten others.

~Jessy
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01-11-2008 09:44
Ahhh, another uniformed sociopath thrusting themselves into a world and argument they will never understand. Try as you might missy, you're not going to get anyone to "come to your side" or see your arguments. You arguments being as off based as possible; it would seem to keep others on toes and at arm's distance with little insight into the point nor psyche of what you are trying to do with yourself here... Despite your claims to sanity I can see evidence of an underlying problem that is also common amongst all griefers I have ever encountered on SL. My policy of officers and troopers on my lands or lands I manage on SL remains intact:

I will let them run about and RP as much as they will. The moment that will is enforced on another that is not wanting to play along? Freeze-ban/eject.

Besides, even IRL peace officers cannot show up on other people's properties and demand respect of their authority. Unless they have a warrant, they are trespassing all the same. And my local law says I can shoot trespassers after asking them to leave the third time. ;3
You have a ton of nerve or are just too f*cking stupid to realize that you cannot just wander up to a property owner in SL and demand much more than maybe a polite greeting. Some folk, I tell you...

Go play in someone else's sandbox grandma, before you get stabbed or something. *giggle*
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01-11-2008 09:45
From: Darling Sieyes
A lot of stuff

/me blinks

Can anyone else actually read this?
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01-11-2008 09:55
From: Oryx Tempel
/me blinks

Can anyone else actually read this?


I tried...I really, really did, but it gave me a pounding headache. That was yesterday...I tried again today. I think I'm now blind in one eye, so I'm giving up while I still have enough vision to drive home from work today.
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Strauss Ulderport
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01-11-2008 10:24
From: Sunni Jewell
I tried...I really, really did, but it gave me a pounding headache. That was yesterday...I tried again today. I think I'm now blind in one eye, so I'm giving up while I still have enough vision to drive home from work today.


LOL

Best... post... ever
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01-11-2008 11:20
Goodness, where is the self appointed forum police when you need them? I seriously attempted to read the posts and I couldnt do it. I also had tried last night, my eyes crossed so bad I ended up with a headache.

I hate to say it, Darling, but you might have had a better time getting your point across if you had taken the advice of many here and typed in a manor that didnt make us want to drive ice picks into our eyes. You also might have gotten it across better if your, painfully written, posts hadnt included a lot of assumptions and didnt display your ignorance.

Someone educated properly on the mental health of others would never be so insulting and foolish as to offer a diagnosis based on such limited information. As well, someone trained in law enforcement wouldnt judge based on only tidbits of a situation. Someone educated on english or lit wouldnt knowingly change their writing style in order to make it easier for themselves while making it nearly impossible for others. Do you see a pattern here?

Throughout what I managed to read of your posts, you took a very passive way of being extremely agressive to others. You insulted mental health, stability, motives and called names without saying them outright. All while proclaiming a care for others as your only motive.

Caring for others and helping them within SL can be done in many ways, a lot mentioned in previous posts. Helping by naming yourself an authority or police force is presumptious and rude and one that is not fondly looked upon by many. What is to stop a greifer from contacting you and accusing others of things? You could come to a situation where someone is spouting off at said caller because of something they did before you ever got there. Now, who looks like the griefer? The one defending themselves? I suppose at that point you AR them to help protect the help caller? How would you have proof of anything if you are not in the situation at the time of it happening or present, at the very least? Was your training based on the TOS or how some of the people in your group THINK the TOS should be or THINK it means?

Are you seeing the point there at all? What has given you the right to enforce anything? LL hasnt, dont try and argue it, we know the truth. We certainly havent! I didnt seen an election for DA or Sheriff or any such thing. So just who got a burr up their behind one day and said "My way is going to be law, I shall be the police and train others to do it my way!" Who regulates....YOU all?

I think, from the other replies I have seen, I am glad that I didnt get a chance to read all of your posts. The ones I did manage to get through without blood dripping from my eyes were frustrating. I hope you get whatever help you need, physically or mentally, whatever, and can go back to enjoying your family and such and stop trying to decide what others should or shouldnt do and leave that job to LL. I know they need to work on the job more, but its best that people dont take it upon themselves to become judge and jury and convict others of a crime when you could be completely ignorant of the situation in the first place.

Oh and to note, I failed english, more than once. There are typos, words spelled wrong et all. Now, where is my advil *holds her head*
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Lindal Kidd
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01-11-2008 11:22
OP: Worried about child porn in SL, or damage to minors? Resign from your "police force". Go back to Real Life and talk to every parent you know. Start a movement. Get them to actually set limits for their kids and enforce them. Get them to monitor and supervise their kids' online activity. Try pulling on the rope instead of pushing it.

And stop pretending to be "police". You're not. You have no authority, no powers, and no rights. Most people will tell you to keep your nose the hell out of their business, including me.
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01-11-2008 11:31
Remember: No one is actually harmed physically in SL, no one's avatar can be made to do something you don't want it to do. Minors are not supposed to be here in the first place. If you know of one, and have proof, report them by all means. But the best way you can protect children is in Real Life. If you are a Parent, take interest in what your child does online, talk to them about what they are interested, answer their questions, spend time with them. Don't look to Teachers and other 3rd parties to raise your children. We can help, but that is your job primarily. And if they do get into trouble, help them. Then you can figure out who to blame. Just don't be surprised if the finger points to you.
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Colette Meiji
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01-11-2008 11:33
From: Brenda Connolly
Remember: No one is actually harmed physically in SL, no one's avatar can be made to do something you don't want it to do. Minors are not supposed to be here in the first place. If you know of one, and have proof, report them by all means. But the best way you can protect children is in Real Life. If you are a Parent, take interest in what your child does online, talk to them about what they are interested, answer their questions, spend time with them. Don't look to Teachers and other 3rd parties to raise your children. We can help, but that is your job primarily. And if they do get into trouble, help them. Then you can figure out who to blame. Just don't be surprised if the finger points to you.


good points
Colette Meiji
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01-11-2008 11:35
I'd like to also ask the OP to stick to 5 trains of thought maximum, per post.
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01-11-2008 11:40
Just the 5 trains? Hell, it was like Clapham Junction at rush hour*







* laboured joke may not scan well outside Britain, apologies
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01-11-2008 13:14
From: Brenda Connolly
Remember: No one is actually harmed physically in SL, no one's avatar can be made to do something you don't want it to do.


Well don't say that... as a newbie one day I ended up in a gay sauna. Saw a weird looking thing I decided to click on, and before you can say kneel, I was on my knees. It took a guy there exactly .03 seconds to confuse my head for... well never mind, it was not what I intended to do at my visit there *grin* So in a way, my avatar was made to do something I did not want. But neither physically nor emotionally I was harmed by the way :D

And still no resident question in sight...

Greetings Marcel
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01-11-2008 13:41
From: Marcel Flatley
Well don't say that... as a newbie one day I ended up in a gay sauna. Saw a weird looking thing I decided to click on, and before you can say kneel, I was on my knees. It took a guy there exactly .03 seconds to confuse my head for... well never mind, it was not what I intended to do at my visit there *grin* So in a way, my avatar was made to do something I did not want. But neither physically nor emotionally I was harmed by the way :D

And still no resident question in sight...

Greetings Marcel

But you chose to stay there , didn't you Marcel? Hmmmm. No wonder your laptop overheats all the time
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01-11-2008 13:50
From: Darling Sieyes
no begging to do nika, the group is not mine, i belong to the group...we make it clear, our duties...some of us are affiliated with police departments...and psychiatric departments as well...
sure anyone can make a report, but how many do so, and with witnesses...

do u know for a fact that we are not sanctioned by LL?
we are fairly new, and so have asked to be under a watchful eye...
i think it is good idea for citizens to take care of many things, LL is overloaded...if we had one police to every criminal, we can make change...

i am not acting under false pretence, i am of heart, and willingness to help in whatever way i can...i am here to serve.
flesh world, i wore the title officer...and was glad to hear my name in association...
i like my title here in sl, for even with the negative connotations, i know we will gain respect, and we will be there to serve, as it is in our nature, to serve and be served...

tell me something plz about your input on this experience.
i walk into a mall, notecard pops up, and says this is not mature area, children are watching thier parents in game...a long drawn out notecard...then i look to my right, first thing i see is a store which sells drug paraphanalia...i couldnt resist writing back, to why this is allowed, when owner stated kids are on board over shoulder...


All I can say is that if you're old enough to be my mother, it's further proof to bolster my belief that age isn't a guarantor of maturity, intellect, or grace.

No inworld "police department" or other paramilitary force has ever been "sanctioned" by LL - in fact, the SLPD had their group name changed IIRC because of the way some newbies could construe it as being a sign of favor.

You don't have "psychiatric departments". You roleplay having any authority. You could be the grand high poobah outside of SL, but it doesn't mean anything within SL. And no one with a valid degree who valued their education and license to practice would offer to diagnose someone over the goddamned internet.

Here, let me evaluate you psychologically: you need to step outside and see the sun once in a while, and reassert your place in reality. It'll do you good.
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01-11-2008 14:05
From: Darling Sieyes
An incredible amount of absolute nonsense and garbage


You are insane.
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01-11-2008 14:22
From: Brenda Connolly
But you chose to stay there , didn't you Marcel? Hmmmm. No wonder your laptop overheats all the time


Well sorry to disappoint you but I did not stay... not too long anyway ;) After the initial shock of something happening without actually meaning to do so, I saw the humour in it and decided to break the romantic moment. Didn't mean to be rude but is was hard talking after all ;)

Greetings, Marcel
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01-11-2008 14:52
From: Darling Sieyes
we all have a police car, with flashing lights...but, we walk our beat, after teleporting to the land which asks for help...we do not charge for our services...


Do you think someone might be taking the piss? :P

I'm sorry but I can't take seriously the visual of 80+ great-grandmothers driving around SL in police cars with flashing lights! This has GOT to be a wind-up! :D
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01-11-2008 14:58
From: Isobel DeSantis
I'm sorry but I can't take seriously the visual of 80+ great-grandmothers driving around SL in police cars with flashing lights! This has GOT to be a wind-up! :D

80+ wheelchairs with light and sirenses make up a funnier image :p
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01-11-2008 15:27
From: Darling Sieyes
do u know for a fact that we are not sanctioned by LL?
we are fairly new, and so have asked to be under a watchful eye...


Yes we do. Linden Research has NOT mentioned ANY officially sanctioned "police force"

Will you now claim otherwise?
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01-11-2008 15:41
Whether the poster was a windup merchant or not (elderly great grandmas of my acquaintance don't use textspeak shorthand like u and ur, but I suppose it takes all sorts...), it only needs LL to review this thread to see why it would be a BAD idea to farm out 'Policing' of the grid to some private volunteers!
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01-11-2008 15:46
I have been away sulking so I missed all this - can someone bring me up to speed? What are grandmothers in cop cars doing in SL sims? This sounds intriguing.
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01-11-2008 15:51
From: Jig Chippewa
I have been away sulking so I missed all this - can someone bring me up to speed? What are grandmothers in cop cars doing in SL sims? This sounds intriguing.

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