education and awareness

Please just simply explain how this "police force" differs from either being busy bodies who cant mind their own damned business,

Or vigilantes touting their non-existing authority

OR both.

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Additionally -

I still cant grasp the whole organize to combat something you have no statistical data even exists thing.

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And Finally

Was using legally obtained Evidence not part of the police training?

lol swan...i not yelling, i have a quiet voice and i take a quiet position...
but i may like to play jump rope...
i can't make cookies very well, not much into baking, oh but come to think of it, yes i have made oatmeal cookies...but i do make other sweets like brownies...well if i am having company i do, otherwise i will eat the whole tray by myself, get hyper and run around krazy...
one time i got in trouble, it was someone's birthday and mom had made a cake...chocolate frosting, *(chocolate is one of my weaknesses)
what started out to be a taste, i redecorated the frosting...i couldnt make myself stay away from it...
brother took the blame, they knew it was me, but no proof...so they did not punish brother...
we also were not allowed to cuss...so on road trips, we came up with a song we could cuss without getting in trouble.
*they all went down to amsterdam...repeat line,
amster amster damn damn damn damn....
well u prob realize the emphasis we put on damn...parents ignored us, till we outgrew it...
have u been to bedrock? i love to ride the ferris wheel there, and hope to run into betty, wilma, barney and fred...
so far, they must be busy...

btw...i dont yell, it scratches the vocal cords...and i love music...

i love to sing...and love to play with the different sounds we can make...

i also can wiggle my ears without touching them...brother did it, and i spent years in study halls trying, then one day, i did it...
do u think inworld, someone could make an gesture or animation for us to wiggle our ears?
i can just see it...catching on, and u ask someone, what are u doing, and they say, trying to wiggle my ears...lol

u, it happens to save two keystrokes...lol...oh do tell me why u find this odd plz...
i would luv to know...i enjoy understanding other humans...animals r easier tho...for instance, they dont kill for pleasure, they only kill for need of food, survial...
but the cats, they are sure a trip...i have learned much in observing their behaviors..

what does trolled mean?

intellegence? we all have some form of it i would think...but typo's or mispelling, or misuse of words, is human error...i do not choose to be an english teacher, nor did i major in english, i love the music world, and picked up jive talk from the beatniks,so blame them...lol
i guess the rest u can put the blame on me...like the what i call, tree writing...
a tree has so many branches, and in my writings, well not all, but many, it is like a tree, with all these directions, so losing train of thought...is the down side...tho i can always go back to that thought...so it is no biggie...

Just an aside -

I think the stream of consciousness writing style is worse than the grammar/text speak/formatting.

Darling, I will tell you the same thing i tell every other Would-Be Moral saviour and Self Appointed "Police officer"of SL.
Do what you want on your Own Land, the Minute you take your "policing" Outside your own property, you are nothing but a griefer, and if you come to My property, or approach me or mine elsewhere attempting to "Monitor" or "regulate" what we do, you will be Treated as a griefer. Muted, booted banned and ARed for harassment.

In the case to which you refer, It wasn't the Girls "Best friend". She Thought she was connecting with a Nice boy roughly her own age on Facebook, or some such site. In actual Fact it was the Mother of a Former school friend who felt slighted by this Girl. The Mother, and the rest of the family Created, and took part in this false account, and after winning the Girls affection, began a reign of Emotional abuse that caused the girl to Kill herself. The Mother is Currently facing Federal Wire fraud Charges, and May also be Charged under new Cyber Stalking, and/or CyberTerrorism Statutes. I am as yet unaware if the family of the deceased girl has Undertakedn Civil procedings Over this Reprehensible act as well, But from what i have Read it seems more than justified.

Angel.

u r misjudging me and this police department...look at it as something new, not something some have used to role play and grief.
again, and i believe u may have been the one who first started the accusation of vigilante...not sure...too tired to look back right now...
we are not those who have done these things...
we would not allow it.
what is this with mind their own damned business...what business? we are all living in a psuedo world, a world in which years ago, i would not even imagine existing.
why didnt u mind your own business and choose not to grief me?
nor the false accusations and judgements....

what would u do in flesh world, should u see a woman being dragged by a man, down a public street, ppl all around, and no one stopping to help? mind your own business? living and survival have meaning for us...and we must protect one another... the pd station just a few blocks away...but no one has eyes, and no one has ears...
and everyone is minding their own business...
this woman was me at age 52...i was dragged thru the streets in new orleans, perhaps ten blocks...no one saw me, i was hysterical, but no one cared...they were busy minding their own business...
dragged for blocks, then beaten and raped...
strange, i never had this fear, for there are so many young and pretty girls, i figured who would want an old lady...wrong..
and if one person had stopped to help, i may have been rescued...
okay, so i talk of flesh world here...but it is my flesh world experiences, which perhaps can waken the feelings which have seemed to die...
i am anti war...i believe only in self defense...
the game is not any foundation which would require use of weapons, as i see it...but we all have our own opinions...your insults toward me, a person who truly cares...show there is some problem within u...let's talk privately sometime, perhaps we can work things out for u, so your anger does not get the best of u, and perhaps, u will not judge one, by what another does...perhaps u will decide to be a positive influence...and toss out the negative...there is no shame in these human failings, we all fall short sometimes.
we can only keep trying to do what is right...
i dont like the weapons in world, as i see the problems caused by many of those who use them...tho, there are groups who like to fight, and there is land set aside for this...perhaps they are able to use this inworld role play, to rid themselves of anger...
who knows unless told...
i have this weapon, but dont use as weapon, and he can only be brought out on land with build permits...is a robot sort of thing, which carries on a conversation with anyone who speaks to him...i see it as something to come in future, and i tried to program him, he knows one song, bycycle built for two...lol...and i tried to teach him another song...not capable...
my main point is, allegations have been made, of child abuses in game...we stand to lose more freedoms...and we all need to be aware, and report any truths which we witness...
quit calling me vigilante...i am not, not in or out of world...
it is a tag word also, which would take someones time, when this time could be used to catch the guilty, not the innocent...it is a distraction...
also, some of the other pd groups, may have good intentions, but in our lives, we see our own frailities, and we see little we can change...we see the wrongs being done...and we feel powerless...for some ppl, perhaps without intention, they find themselves in position to order others...to gain a sense of power...this is obvious in the flesh world as well as the game world.
we are living in difficult times...
but we, who are not guilty, we who have no alterior motives, must mind the business of living...
many things effect the masses...u may not know of any child who has suffered abuse, used for profit, etc...but say u make a friend...u get along well with one another...and become closer...then the friend disappears...u wonder why...perhaps this person, has the message to mind his/her own business...and feels shame sharing what is not other's business, yet feeling ready to tell u, so ends a friendship due to them minding their own business, afraid to share and lose...oh it could be a parent of a child, and they suffer the guilt for not being aware...and they need someone to talk with, but the shame and false pride, stand in the way...
so u r affected, and u find it hard to believe the word 'friend', and it all becomes superficial...
the earth is made in shape of circle, we are all connected in this circle, where there is cause, there is effect...
in opposing me, u r effecting, affecting, and infecting others...
we must be aware of our actions...
we must look at the whole, and not take out parts u find to pick on...
and still tho, i see no cause or reasoning for u to accuse me of being vigilante...
and u have failed to give me reasoning...

swan, u make me laugh...

who made this rule, or asumption...that any police force that isnt LL is a vigilante by default...
the pd u r describing is not us...get this thru your thoughts...
and dont assume for me...there are two law suits, one from germany and not sure if the other is france, as proof was brought forth of misusing child...
i did not even say, may ppl are involved in this...it is not my job, for one thing, another is, i would not interrupt any sort of investigation...i do not need evidence...evidence is already brought forth, and like gambling, we will probably lose some freedom...
'YOU seem to be assuming...." no i read what is going on in our world, as it is important to me.
gathering evidence for a legal case,taken out of sl...is also not my duty, nor do i have any course of action, other than informing others of what is going on in our world...

I think it is time to put this to rest...i see no decent reactions, ...a few cute ones tho...and a few things said well...
but is repeating same accusations over and over...
i have other things to do, and thanx for this testing board of sorts...
i discovered some things i needed to know...
if u have been a victim of child abuse, im me inworld, i can give u web sites which offer help and counsel...
i have no intention of hurting anyone...
yes swan...i am a really old lady...lol...and i love it...but i think u would be a bad influence on me....lol...u give me a sweet tooth...and craving for chocolate, even tho u did not mention chocolate...it is my choice of sweets, and u got my mouth watering...lol
still i would jump rope with u, but make sure it is a longer one, as i am taller than a child...

Angel, we are not griefers...we do no damage, only help...talking something out is better than use of fake weapons...

we do not go where we are not invited...when ppl have problems with griefers, they can count on us to arrive and witness, so there is faster process in this griefer's account...
we do not hire out...i would be suspicious of someone hiring out, to do griefing in order to keep money coming in...
we are volunteers...no personal gain...

i am not an evangelist, nor a would be moral savior, i take my religion personal..

i do have my own land, paid teir fees for a couple of years now...i havent made money, maybe i try it sometime...but i am kind and sharing, and have given use to land for newbees till they feel adjusted...
if i take policing off my land i am griefer???does not make sense...
if i dance at home, then am i dancer? taking it off takes away my dancing???
if i have sl hubby, and we are romantic at home...but find a spot which is peaceful, then are we no longer sl husband and wife?
and so on and so forth...
if u have a business, and see me on your land, plz dont treat me like a griefer...i love to shop inworld...we do not wear our badge or tag when not on duty...sometimes i keep uniform on, as i am looking for something, taking a break from patrol, or whatever, but i can tell u i will not come to your land to monitor or regulate...so tell me...who would be the griefer? and how can u file an ar, when i am not breaking any rules or laws...

i did not realize i would be put in shame, for what others have done...it makes no sense to me...
u are well spoken...
well i suppose i face these ...should i call them...wannabe griefers? well what can they do to me anyway?
but i do have high hopes that we can help in many ways...and that thru our actions, we can prove our intentions...we are aware of the manipulators...and will remain aware..
any ar's filed, will only have what is seen, snapshots and notecards of conversation to fall back on...
hopefully, we will not have to file many...and talking and directing the griefer to something they may find enjoyable to do, other than grief...
i didnt take this personal...and i see this i will have to be careful with, as u can hit a person so many times till even the most peaceful of ppl, want to hit back...i think i am beyond this, and we have one another in pd, to help us set the other back on thier feet...
we are like other's, many of us have our own properties, and we enjoy entertaining, and helping one another...when we know one has been so busy, we pitch in...
i find caring ppl all over this world...but the red lines, which prevent flying, show for itself...
when i came to sl, i thought it was sort of a heaven...an escape time to have fun, and not have to deal with works, and the disheartening events taking place...man was i in for a slap in the face...
i do not want others to get slapped...
together we can make this world a world of joy...and perhaps, even a part of the world or another grid, where families who are separated by miles, can meet and visit and have fun...
i am glad u see me for what i am...someone who cares...that to me would be the greatest title one could wear...someone who cares...until everyone claimed that title. thanx for this honor..and idea...lol...i think i am a bit eccentric...

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only the writing style alone will tick every one off...police isn`t LL sanctioned so vigilanty in nature as said befor...paragraphs to unreadable to paragraphs...think we`re seeing multiple alt syndrome in action...how many alt do you have...? you say not to judge by title...but, this title being abused to this title is judged...many years since high
school, so for me, yet, i am not english/american and only used the shortcuts, if you have been to school at all, you would know how to paragraph, do it from the start and keep with it...not change 20 times a thread...you claim being attacked...we are being attacked for no reason with shuved on nonsense spam of nonsense wannabe rental cops wich are no better then wannabe griefers...you posted here and knew from the start
your so called grief department is frowned upon...you choose this, you
keep feeding it...shit, i get an headache just trying to write like
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call me retarded...u r funny, trying to write like this...which is explained clearly,i believe twice...why i choose this style. i dont ask u to conform to my ways, plz do not feel free to tell me to conform to your way...i am a successful woman, aged and mellowed...and have in life, what is most important of all.

why should my style tick ppl off? i think ppl need to relax and not look for faults in others, then they can put themselves back together again.

i have learned some of this style from others inworld, and in forums...

why do u accuse of multiple alts? i have written only me, and darling...so where does alts come in this? someone picking words out of ???

this title's abuse has nothing to do with our intentions, and our attempts...
if someone lies to u and says they love u, and turns out they didnt, does that destroy the title love?
many examples of this...bet u can think of many yourself...


how i write is my choice, i take no dictator's orders...i do not tell u how to live, how to write, how to do anything...yet if u were breaking the laws, that would be another story, i would report.


now u call me a wannabe rental cop...i have said it over and over, we are volunteers...we do not rent out...
why is this not reaching your minds?


we make stand to prevent grievings...we have no grief department...if it was brought to attention, and proved, that any one in our group, grieved anyone, there would be investigation, and dismissal...
we have some fine upstanding citizens...many who care about others, and see that this game is a place in which we can touch many...and give them help to become a better person...or at least, teach to follow the rules...

i look forward to changes which can be made...one being, the title police, to be brought back to honor...

then if you have all this wonderful love, support and happiness, why
are you not putting your time to better use, such as mentoring at one of
the many Orientation Islands, or helping new residents wnjoy thier
secondlife more, instead of making them feel as if they entered a warzone?

imsorry im not buyin it.



there is nothing for sale here, nothing to buy, nothing to rent, it is free...whatever service we do, we do out of our sense of duty to our fellow citizens.

my time is put to good use...i have time with my loved ones...and i have loved ones in the game as well...

since i began, whatever i have learned, i have shared...u can ask some newbees, how i helped them...

and to me, i want the warzone removed...so that when entering the game, new citizens will find joys and interest...hell, i got zoomed to the moon, and rufed, when i first joined...the very first day...then logging in, i kept landing in spot where i looked like a tiny dot in sky...nothing else to see..

i am prepared to help others...sometimes my time is limited, and flesh world has unexpected things i must attend to, but i manage usually to check in everyday, have not missed many days...
i like this world, i have hopes for us in this world...but i know we must rid our world of crimes...

when we help new citizens, we do not take them to the scenes of crime...we take them to fun places...or sandboxes we know are safe...as they are patrolled, so the griefers gave up...

/me takes a quick look at the posts following this and .... blinks.

Ms.Sieyes,

my first day in world i was orbited, attacked with a push weapon and approached very rudely by an avatar asking for sex. the first two incidents were done by self styled "policemen", who decided since i was minutes old i guess, i was fair game. there have been posts by so called "policemen" in these very forums, saying that one way they retaliate is to game and or abuse the AR system, just because a few people refuse to recognize their "authority". surely you cannot hope to convince me, and others, that your police force is any different?

my point is you can do all those things you described in your reply to me without joining, or starting, some sort of morality group. yes, there are those who come in world strictly to cause as much harm as possible, but for everyone of those you have more who come in to create, help, socialize, and make an extra income. all your group will do, if it hasn't already, is attract the very people you are complaining are ruining SL.

in the end, the decision is yours, you can either join the chaos and continue with your policeman force, or you can take the good you have done, and join more positive groups like the Forum Cartel, Arbor Project, The Shelter, etc.

ps: thank you Angelique for explaining that in more detail, it did kinda confuse me, and i hope the mother gets exactly what she deserves.

pss: to Strauss: im with Chris, i do spend a lot of time inworld, some nights i have insomnia, and i log in either to build, explore or socialize. if that is "unhealthy" in your eyes, then so be it.

I haven't managed to read the whole thread yet, so I apologise if it has moved one from this point. I just had to say something.

Very well put Totally agree.

Also: ( I am not quite sure how to put this...)

How in the hell did you get from someone saying they were/have a mother in SL
to this child being used in ageplay?
Yes but lives are not necessarily in danger on SL. Sure people meet in RL, but children are not allowed on the main grid - even if by some illegal/fraudulent means they did get through. So it would not make sense for a paedophile to search SL for a victim. How would they even know anyway whether a person is a child for real? Sexual Ageplay has been banned. So they would not be able to do anything in world and also, the actual chance of arranging to meet up with a child who technically shouldn't be here is extremely small. There is not point to it. And how is it your job to educate and protect. Unless you have been officially assigned to this (by the real authority - LL) you have no right to restrict what others do on their land. You can AR people when you have solid proof but otherwise - stay away!

I'm sorry but i find the mention of this offensive. What does this have to do with your argument? It has nothing to do with SL at all. Also you are giving extremely private details away - confidentiality and all that. You may not name names but there may well be enough info for someone to guess who you are talking about if they know this person. Many people have been abused sexually or otherwise. This does not give you the right to use their experiences to launch an attack on potentially innocent people. Punishment is only for the authorities, and Im sorry but you are NOT them - no matter how much you wish you were.

Can I be petty and quibble over this? A psychotic is defined as 'A person affected by psychosis'. Psychosis means 'any severe mental disorder in which contact with reality is lost or highly distorted'. How does this automatically mean they are all horrible people? According to the dictionary term I know quote a few psychotics. They would be highly offended by this comment!

Okay there are so many thing wrong that this is going to be my last one before I start picking on everything.
What the hell is wrong with 'lesbian life'???!!!! How does this affect anything? Why even bring this up?
Hoards children....hmmm... last time I checked 3 children is a healthy number in a family - not a hoard. I am one of three siblings in RL. Does that mean my mum hoards kids?
If they are in her profile and quite open it is not hoarding, as to hoard implies to keep a supply a secret. What is wrong with giving children attention? Or love? Isn't it the absence of attention which is causing the children to apparantly log onto SL? Or even the adults playing as a child like Mari. How is giving a child like Mari attention and love going to make her parents into paedophiles? Maybe they just want to roleplay as a happy family? (I am really sorry for using you and you parents as an example Mari. I needed one ) Where is the proof that what this woman is doing with her children is sexual or wrong in any way?

Right I am going to finish reading the thread and try to calm down a bit.

Don't have to worry about that on Second Life. If you die you just get teleported home. Saved a few bucks for a taxi too.

No it is not that, which makes you in need for counseling Chris

I tried that once, but the doctor had a nervous breakdown and had to be committed.

Well Chris, I can imagine that!
My insurance covers a shrink but the shrinks insurance doesn't cover meetings with me. So they rather not have me over

Now I was very determined to answer the OP's resident question, but I can't seem to find one in her (not too clear) posting. Of course I am wiling to assume that my reading skills are far from perfect, but I really cannot fight myself through all those long pieces of ill-formatted text.

So if either the OP, or some of you clique members, can clarify the question(s) intended, I promise I will try my best to answer. It is after all friday and I still haven't done my good deed of the week. Of the year even.

Greetings, Marcel

My sentiments exactly. Unfortunately, just as I went to post this 6 hours ago our net went down.

I've not read all of this but I think I've probably read it all before.

If the RL police can't wipe out real crime, then I don't think a self-imposed, unofficial, unregulated group with no special powers, armed only with the same tools we all have at our disposal is going to do it in SL .. even if it exists.
Who polices the police?

Don't worry, Bilbo, you have read it all before. Many times over.

That would be the definition of the word "vigilante," yes. So I guess one could argue that Noah Webster or his successors made that "rule."

Mari
(Where's Godwin when ya need 'em!)

darling, I have a suggestion.

Don't quit your day job.