Campings not the issue, it's Botting..................
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Ordinal Malaprop
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01-04-2008 11:12
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Roxie Marten
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01-04-2008 11:41
I think it's silly to leave a place just because campers are there. You may leave places that have exactly what you're looking for, and it's you who loses out. I have 2 things to say about camping: 1. For many people, it's their SL livelihood, and I don't begrudge them that. 2. Business is business. Campers are a pox upon the land. We used to have a nice piece of land. Tree woods water etc. One day I log in and can't move the lag is so bad. Shrug it off SL is having a bad. This went on for a week and then I noticed on my mini map a green splotch in our sim. Upon investigating I find "Camp World" and a score of avies just sucking up the resources. Thankfully Camp World went out of business but it sucked for a long time. A livelihood is one thing thing but your screwing it up for everyone else is another thing. Rox |
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Artiar McMahon
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Join date: 4 Jun 2007
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Jira's Go there and vote.
01-04-2008 12:32
I have to leave for the day--so I don't have time to post the urls----but
go to jira and vote. There are several there that address this. Just go to Jira and do a search on Traffic. For me, it has been live and let live, and I have never posted here before I saw the damage the alt farms are causing. I think many of you feel the same--so make it known officially. Otherwise, LL has an excuse to ignore it. LL says we created this world-----and brag about it. I no longer believe that. None of the numbers they report on the economy can be even close to accurate with this going on. So it really makes me wonder about everything. Frankly I feel manipulated every time I hit the search button. It is my own fault too-----I've been here a while and have been silent. New people have no idea though--and I am having real trouble letting this go on without at least saying that tacit approval of this abuse to the system this is as dishonest as anything I have seen besides out and out theft of people's creations. I love SL, but I have freinds that have left it because they are discusted with some of the things happining here now. It has gotten out of hand and the system is increasingly being manipulated by people that have stated on this forum that they simply don't give a Sh**. and are laughing all the way to the bank. So--folks, if you really are against this------make a few extra mouse clicks and vote at the place where LL claims they pay attention. If we don't do that all this is just empty chatter and worth nothing. |
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Oryx Tempel
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01-04-2008 12:40
Here's what Artiar's talking about:
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1014 is the main issue, with the Meta-Issue for Traffic here: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1052 _____________________
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Graphicguru Gustav
Accepts head scritchings!
Join date: 5 Oct 2007
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Eat more PIE!!!!
01-04-2008 12:42
I think I will go and eat PIE!!!!
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Marin Mielziner
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01-04-2008 12:48
I think I will go and eat PIE!!!! Strawberry pie... chocolate pie... cherry pie... Claire pie... lemon pie... coconut cream pie... pecan pie... Yummy! "Claire Pie" Cute. Ain't love grand? I'd also like to add Chicken Pot Pie. |
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Graphicguru Gustav
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you actually READ it
01-04-2008 12:52
"Claire Pie" Cute I think it's getting close to derailment time anyway... so...who is YOUR favoite pie? _____________________
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Artiar McMahon
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Vote people! Do not let people derail this
01-04-2008 12:53
Gotta go--people are waiting for me in rL
I can see that people are going to try to derail this. That is as manipulative as the Traffic Bots. Don't let them people! do something! |
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Marin Mielziner
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01-04-2008 13:10
Gotta go--people are waiting for me in rL I can see that people are going to try to derail this. That is as manipulative as the Traffic Bots. Don't let them people! do something! Because Artiar, this thread has become a personal bashing ground for a few people. It's fine to stand up for what you believe....and by gosh you SHOULD, but pages and pages ago this thread deviated from the OP's question and became a one-upsmanship argument on both sides and a personal attack on specific people. So by all means visit the Jira - cast your vote - but can we please stop the snide personal attacks? And have some PIE. It soothes the savage beast. |
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Bradley Bracken
Goodbye, Farewell, Amen
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01-04-2008 13:20
I think it's getting close to derailment time anyway... Now there's an understatement. Can we go back to looking at pictures of Phil Linden? _____________________
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Tegg Bode
FrootLoop Roo Overlord
Join date: 12 Jan 2007
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01-04-2008 15:03
I think that's the problem with you and some of the others in this thread. You have a bee in your bonnet about it, which prevents you from seeing it rationally - 'it is wrong because I really really really don't like it' - end of story. It makes you turn to insults and such when you're not being agreed with, even though it's been pointed out more than once (not by me) that it's ok with LL. It's a normal human trait to resort to insults etc. It's not a nice side of we humans, but we all have it in us. I'm not fired up about it like you are. I don't mind about camping and alts one way or the other. I don't need them to have a decent RL livelihood from SL. They add to it, but not having them won't kill it. But I'm sure not going to remove them and lose a bit money just because a few people here are so biased against them. Tens of thousands of people use SL, so what do a few dissenting voices here matter? They are not representative of the SL population, so why should anyone do as they want? You said something about putting up a sign to tell customers that the alts are there, but one customer posted in this thread, thanking me for doing something to get her to the store in the first place. Nothing will satisfy you, because you are so biased - it burns you up. You talk at length about what traffic was originally intended for, but you choose to ignore that LL supports camping to improve the traffic numbers (rankings). What sense is there in that? If everything is only used for its original purpose, nobody would be using Viagra for erections. That particular aspect is a side effect of its original purpose - it wasn't designed for that. You seem to think that it's a moral issue. Why? I have to assume that it's simply because you don't like it - and you're a good guy, as you haven't given a reason why it's immoral. You even threw in something from the Bible, as though anyone who uses alts to gain more has lost his/her soul. That was really scraping. The truth is that LL approves of camping to improve the traffic figures. You said that camping is ok, but where does that leave the arguments of the other dissenters. I didn't see you defending camping ealier in the thread when people were vehemently against it. And, in all fairness, where does it leave your argument about traffic alts. This is pretty much over I don't mean to single you out by any means, I would reply to others the same, probably worse as some may not show the level headness of you. I don't recall and could not find any any bible references, as I'm not religous person so maybe I didn't notice them, hopefully this was someone else. Hiding them looks bad. Put a few in your store perhaps lying on beds with sleeping animations, use them as maniquins to enhance sales further and you may find 10 will achieve the same sales results as 16, be interesting to hear the results. I assume perhaps wrongly that 5 accounts is what LL approve of us to have, I certainly can't create more, I think if LL wanted us to have unlimited AV's they wouldn't restrict us to 5 accounts per email. I admire that you have actually kept a smaller number compared to others and actually care for other residents access to the sim and respect this as I guess the ability to create another 10 is there, perhaps 10 more would have no more increase on sales, or have you hit hardware limites on your machine/connection? By running your own alts instead of paying the gold farmers to camp, it is actually a positive thing I guess. Camping is ok, CampBotting is not in my personal view. I pretty much realise I can't change your views , so I might as well stop trying to do so, I hope both "sides" have gained a better understanding. _____________________
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Chris Norse
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Join date: 1 Oct 2006
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01-04-2008 15:11
Actually Tegg, I was the one who used a Bible quote. It was in response to one of Phil's eye rolls when I made a comment about the need for Karen to develop a sense of charity. It was a comment to Karen that started the exchange and Phil interjected himself into it. The discussion was not about alts or camping, but apparently he thinks it was.
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Oryx Tempel
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01-04-2008 15:16
Now there's an understatement. Can we go back to looking at pictures of Phil Linden? . http://www.flickr.com/photos/mwagner/481020052/ _____________________
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Twosteppin Jewell
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Join date: 27 Mar 2007
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01-04-2008 15:21
If ever a thread needed to die.....................
We could talk about: matching, size, function, cheating ?????  _____________________
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Tegg Bode
FrootLoop Roo Overlord
Join date: 12 Jan 2007
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01-04-2008 15:34
If ever a thread needed to die..................... We could talk about: matching, size, function, cheating ????? Simple, if you don't like it, don't come in and read or post to it  _____________________
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Brenda Connolly
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01-04-2008 15:36
What sort of Traffic and Dwell numbers do you think Hitler would have managed to accumulate?
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Hugsy Penguin
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01-04-2008 15:52
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Lion Ewry
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Go Vote
01-04-2008 16:31
Here's what Artiar's talking about: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1014 is the main issue, with the Meta-Issue for Traffic here: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1052 It is not going to die because people are upset enough to start fighting back. But Artiar is right. Go vote on it. |
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Tegg Bode
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01-04-2008 16:33
When Nazi references fail there is always Phillip _____________________
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Lear Cale
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Join date: 22 Aug 2007
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01-04-2008 16:34
I'm of the mindset that a few campers are fine, if they aren't hidden alts/bots of the owner. By hidden, I mean, stuck in skyboxes, off in the lake, otherwise stowed out of normal avatar view. Also, if it's otherwise empty, I'm gone. I want to see other people browsing and such. One of my favorite places had camping, with the payouts types, that did things within the place's theme. It was great, because they weren't just using camping to raise traffic, they were 'hiring' people who had nothing better to do anyways to add a touch of realism to the surroundings. I figured it was no worse than hiring staff.. except probably cheaper than staff would have been  That's very reasonable, and you're more tolerant than I am. I agree that bot/alt-camping is worse! I do go to places where there's a limited amount of camping, and where the campers tend to stay at-keyboard and participate. Fankly, I think many of these places would continue camping as a loss-leader even without traffic-based rankings. It's the traffic-based ranking that's the root of the evil. While I can complain and grumble and dislike those who take advantage of it, the real fault lies with the LL policy. |
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Lear Cale
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01-04-2008 16:46
Here's what Artiar's talking about: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1014 is the main issue, with the Meta-Issue for Traffic here: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1052 Thanks for the links. I voted for the 2nd one. The first one doesn't include a proposal; it's just a rant. I'd be happy to vote for a proposal. |
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Lion Ewry
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Vote Links
01-04-2008 17:08
Thanks for the links. I voted for the 2nd one. The first one doesn't include a proposal; it's just a rant. I'd be happy to vote for a proposal. In any of those suggested here there are related links to specific proposals at the top of the pages. I found the list at the top of the page on this link. A search for traffic should bring up all the proposals that have been made. https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1052 |
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William13 Enoch
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01-04-2008 17:23
Not even SPRING yet and the Campers are Bloomin
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Colette Meiji
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01-04-2008 17:28
Not even SPRING yet and the Campers are Bloomin Thats cause your supposed to do the weedkiller in the fall. |
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
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01-04-2008 18:39
Well, I will sum up here by saying I think this is use of zombie alts is very sad, and also very brazen.
Sad because it is unfortunate we are all having such trouble being found by customers. I know we are all scrambling to try to figure out how to be found in the search. Brazen in that I never would have dreamed the day would come when people would actually say that having their own zombie alts hidden on their land to increase their apparent popularity and position in search is not only perfectly moral and ethical, but is in fact THE indicator of a "real" businessperson. I can't help but conclude that people who believe this haven't really been around very long, in real life as well as in SL. And obviously, it is nothing but an arms race, and if more and more people succomb to the temptation (which they might if they actually buy this moral equivalency excuse), it can end only in very bad grid conditions for everyone, as well as a decline of customers, as people leave a world that they perceive more and more as "Bot World." So all I can say is, please don't do this, people, even if you're tempted to. It's not the right way to do business, and your reputation and longevity will only be hurt if you stoop to it. A true businessperson is more than someone who susses out all the ways to the top of search (and the idea of zombie bots is nothing new or particularly clever) and takes advantages that, if we all did, would render SL virtualy unusable for all. It's a fly-by-night tactic, in that I don't really think it will help your business in the long run. So - let those people have the customer dollars they seem to still think are rightly theirs by merit of their products. They fool themselves. coco _____________________
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