Bloomin Campers Again

I have been to 5 clubs today, traffic says between 50,000 and 120,000, and when I get there the places are empty and traffic is gained by campers 250 metres above (or higher).

It's not funny any more! (was it ever?)

I own a club and we have REAL visitors. OK traffic is no-where near 50,000 but hey at least we talk. We don't have campers cos I can't stand them, and I don't see why someone should create hundreds of bots and take all the money from the live newbies just starting out.

Everywhere you go there are campers in the sky well out of view and the actual places I visit are dead. I understand if people want to sit somewhere and go afk for a while (I do it myself) but whats wrong with sitting in a quiet corner somewhere - I mean there are plenty about cos the money chairs are full lol.

I just want to go to a place that has real (well as real as an av can be) people are around to talk to etc. Go to the camping spots and they are ALL afk.

If these land owners want to help people, why doesn't SL provide a few sims for camping only and then everyone can donate money, like the money trees? It just bugs that the traffic is fudged like this and it gives a false impression of the actual visitor numbers to the area, so people like me visit to find the place empty

Rant over lol.

i hate campers, when i go shopping if i tp into a place and i see them being used to boost traffic i tp out to shop somewhere else.

Well if a place says traffic is good, I think "wow i gotta check this place out" and then get there to find it a disappointment or empty.

Titania xx

Hi Titania,

I understand your hate for campers, but I want to remind you that just because you show up at a club and it's empty doesn't mean that it's always that way. No club can be expected to operate 24/7. If they offer an events list, see what's there, then check them out. That will give you a true idea regardless of whether they have campers or not.

I think hidden campers like this are often just multiple alts so the land owners don't even have to pay campers. They can park their free alts in a cube in a sky and watch their traffic numbers soar.

Very true, and ive been back to a couple of places several times, and on the map it shows loads of dots, got there and its empty apart from campers. A store next to me has a box for camping at 750 metres, traffic looks good but the actual store has about 3 people MAX that actually shop. I mean surely the money paid to campers outweighs the money spent by shoppers lol.

Titania xx

Erm yeah, that occurred to me NOW lol. I guess I was too fed up from visiting another empty place after being there 3 times in a fortnight to find it empty every time, to think the campers are their own alts.

Never mind.

Oh oh, and something else I noticed recently, someone has a load of camp pads, they stand around waiting for people to turn up, then after a minute or two they PUSH the avs off their pads into the middle of the land so they can keep traffic up but not pay out! charming!

Titania xx

By rule of thumb any traffic nubmers over 30k should be viewed with the thought of campers and gaming traffic.

120k? Deffinately camping. If not, then lag-hell. Either way, why go?

I tend to search and start at the bottom of the search list. Gives me better results on find new stores, and I tend to steer away from the 30k+ places.

Whatever way works for you, the best thing to do is to find a system that works for you, and then use it to prevent stress like this. So they game traffic? So what? They're paying for false numbers that really don't make a difference in the long run.

And as stated, some do have teh camp pads to help others. Though these places tend to not have the pads jsut all grouped together, nor are there usually that many. Those out to help realise that false traffic is frowned upon, and too many idle avatars camping cause lag. The philantropists tend to find a happy medium to work within.

~Jessy

I think it's silly to leave a place just because campers are there. You may leave places that have exactly what you're looking for, and it's you who loses out.

I have 2 things to say about camping:

1. For many people, it's their SL livelihood, and I don't begrudge them that.

2. Business is business.

Very true. OK I hold my hands up I should have realised first, but seeing the dots on the map it looked promising, it was only when I got there and checked the figures myself and saw the campers I realised what was going on. But then there are the newbies who dont think about campers and go where the figures are high in the hope of meeting people.

Titania xx

I left the places cos I like to socialise, and there was no-one to socialise with

Titania xx

I've seen it other recent threads where one or two people have said they leave shops for that reason, so I thought I'd throw it in here

Ah shops are different for me, I shop for what I want, regardless of traffic, but to socialise I look for busy places, or what I THINK are busy lol.

Titania xx

Campers I can live with, some other traffic tricks are just creepy

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if they have exactly what i`m looking for then i`ll check the creator`s profile and buy at their main store

if they`re main store is zombie hell aswell then they`re shit out of money and i`ll look further for something resembling it or just make it myself heh

if every one hates zombies but doesn`t boycots them this way then it will never change aslong as the normal(old) traffic search is still in the client

Hmm let me see -

(1) I am not sure just how camping takes money from newbies. It seems to actually provide money to all kinds of people including us old farts who are bored with the endless nearly identical "clubs" and shopping malls.

(2) If my 3 year old granddaughter crawls on my knee and wants attention, guess how much attention SL gets! Yes I am AFK a lot!- I often have little kids crawling around my feet

(3) There are some very good "chatterbots" out there ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatterbot ) which do a really good job of providing you a "conversation".

HINT: insert some phrase like "I want to fuck a duck" into the conversation and see what response you get. Of course after a few glasses of wine even a "real person" will provide some hilarious responses to that one!

(4) repeat after me at least 50 times:

"IT IS JUST A GAME" ...

That seems a long-winded way of doing it for no good reason.

I don't see the logic in the assumption that "they're shit out of money", and I don't see the logic in not buying something if exactly what you want is right there.

Why should it change? What's to hate about it? They are usually well out of the way and don't cause the lag that some people imagine they do. I don't see the problem.

So I just got a money tree and dumped L$1000 into it. I give out L$ to any avatar under 30 days old. It hasn't affected my traffic at all but I have noticed some money going out. Are money trees offensive to anyone? Would you leave if you saw one? Thanks for the opinions.

No, it would fill me with nostalgia. But I don't think your classy enterprise needs a money tree. I was amazed at the incredible creativity and artistry I saw in your offerings there. There's nothing in SL like it and you should feel very proud of what you've done.

Could it be that there are not that many newbies who are going to traipse all over for US$0.10 per hour?

I've never had a negative impression of money trees at all. Well, maybe when I was a noob and they were empty, but other than that I've always thought they were great. Oh, and I echo Ray's sentiments about your place. I dropped in for the first time recently and was blown away.

The money trees is how I got my lindens in my first few weeks while I was deciding if I liked SL. Unlike camping, I got to visit a lot of places tracking down the money trees. It was actually a lot of fun for a while. That is also how I discovered Lucky Chairs, which then kept me bouncing around for a bit longer while I worked on meeting people and decided where I fit in this vast place.

Well, Oki mentioned this a while back, and I just wanted to give back some of the L$ that I got as a newbie. Not in it for traffic.

if you don`t see the logic then don`t bother...



for money trees you have to tp all over the place and be lucky to get some L$
also they`re limited to 30days unlike running a couple dozen 24/7 camping bots on your spare pc...

Hmm--I went to your place. What are all those green dots?