Bloomin Campers Again

Then you "park" your AV at a "camping spot" and make posts on this forum ....

I already did. For 2 days after Christmas I had them in hardly at all. I mentioned it in another thread as a technical reason for sales being lower on those days. I called them "poor" days, but those poor days weren't much down on the normal days. I can remove them again, but would you believe what I say about my takings as being the truth? And I didn't say that my products are "so damned good". There is no need for that sort of tone.


To everyone:

I'm sorry that some of you find fault with something that I do. I genuinely think that most people who object are objecting out of principle, which I consider to be a false morality. They have a thing against camping for some reason. I may be wrong, but that's what I genuinely think.

Some objections are to do with system resources (my blanket expression), and are genuine considerations. If I thought that I was doing anything that has a significant negative impact on the system, or part of the system, I would stop doing it, but I don't believe that what I do has that sort of impact. When I'm home (I've been away since before Christmas), I spend most of my time on the store's land, and I don't see any negative impact. The lag isn't there that some people like to imagine is there, for instance.

This discussion has come down to shouting, and to an attempt to organise a way of 'doing me in', and all because I don't see eye to eye with some of the people in it - not because I'm doing anything to hurt them or anyone else, but because I continue to disagree. So this will be my last post in this thread, and maybe in this forum, since one of the participants took it into another thread and tried to screw up a sensible discussion there.

we aren`t discussing the use of crack, read again and it is for the traffic bots/campers


this wasn`t ment for you but to phil, that you feel it was ment for you aswell then so be it...


camping bots and zombies alt suck and should be removed
LL better finish the new search as much as it`s screwed and remove the old search completly so traffic becomes pritty much useless and the alts can stay offline as they just need a store pick in their profiles

The "deception" is exactly the same.

You entitled to your opinion, no matter how fallacious.

You might recheck the new "search" BTW, according to the conversation I had with the developer, "traffic" is still a major component of the search. The actual engine is "Google" and will use "traffic" as well as several other parameters to determine display order.

Apparently there are no plans to remove the "traffic" listing from "places", only the "all" search. Likewise it seems that the "most popular' rankings will continue.

For those whose art is just TOO TOO sophisticated for the rest of us to appreciate, this is bad news I am sure.

HUH? I don't camp anywhere?

Anyway I'm a woman, I can multitask It's possible to chat on SL and on the forums at the same time (ok not EXACTLY the same time, needing to click one window then the next etc etc).

As for camping, my MAIN issue is looking for places where people interact, not just shops, but I like to say hi to someone and get a response lol. Although SL is not a physical world, there are NORMALLY people behind the avs we like to converse with instead of wandering through a world where the main areas are dead and if you want company you need to find camping spots high above the clouds full of zombies.

Where is the fun in that?

Titania xx

if traffic is relied that much on unlike what they said to start removing traffic, then sl is pritty much screwed as only more and more bots/alts will hit the grid and it will be a pleasure to see the server get more unstable of the load untill LL realise finally it`s out of control

your calling running a couple of bots sofisticated and art, i hope you will login 50000 of them in to speed the degredation and see where your so called "art" is bringing the grid to

i`m out of this thread, calling this "art" pritty much sums up with wtf is wrong with the grid... have fun with your alts...

My earlier comment was:

"For those whose art is just TOO TOO sophisticated for the rest of us to appreciate, this is bad news I am sure."


It was one of the "old masters" (can't remember his name just now) who said that "The first excuse of a bad artist is that no one is good enough to appreciate my art."

Sorry if the reference was too obscure.

Probably the guy whose paintings hang in all the Holiday Inns.

wow ...

I have people sorry they proved i'm wrong ,

I have people claiming the quality stuff comes from the over camped places ,

I take it all back:

The people in SL are loopy enough to DESERVE this gamed Traffic system.

Alicia, I think regrettably that LL will not be charging for bots any time soon. There are many legitimate uses of them, probably more in the future than there are now, and it also would work against LLs need to have ever more residents (living or not) testing the grid for them.

Karen, with respect to the following posts, I have one response.
/forum persona off
We're not on Arpanet now, baby. This is a social game - so the OP's quest for nice social interactions is QUITE valid. I see no reason to taunt her with recommendations to try a chatterbot when she's trying to understand why this social networking platform has such an obviously asocial mechanism within it.

I don't care if you are frigging Bob Metcalfe, in the responses below you are not discussing, you are taunting other residents. That's trolling, which is against forum guidelines. See the sticky.

If you can't live with that, have fun with the chatterbots.
/on

*smiles sweetly*

At the risk of spoiling all the fun, (well it is lunch time ...)

Read "Networking with the Affluent" by Thomas Stanley (he also wrote "The Millionaire Next Door"

His basic thesis is that rich people tend to deal with others who share their values and who provide extra services that are needed and appreciated.

I am sure there are several hundred places where I could buy a new outfit. I will LOOK at a place that allows Karen to camp without a lot of hassle.

"Camping" is a business venture, just like advertising. I can relate to that.

Whining about "gaming the system" simply rouses my contempt just like poeple who are too "virtuous" to run their business properly.

I wonder if LL has got itself in a bind oveer bots and zombies and therefore all these metrics we've been kicking around. If LL changed traffic and other metrics to make gaming them useless, and if they get rid of anonymous accounts that griefers create so endlessly, I wonder how much their concurrency and "new account" numbers would fall. O.O

WTFE

If you need the 2/Lindens every 5 minutes, its cool. Grandpa Phil isnt going to take it away from you any time soon.

IF rich people's values are tacky as hell, crudely done, camp pad pits, ill stick with hanging with the Po' folks, they are a heck of a lot more fun anyhow.

Don't you mean too virtuous to abandon their ethics for the sake of profit? Where I come from that's called a compliment. Everyone likes free money, but if you have to pay people in order to create the appearance that your business is more popular than it actually is, I'd hardly call that running a business properly. Trying to justify it as somehow doing proper business because it works (through the power of reciprocal greed) is just putting lipstick on a pig.

I would have no problem with this if you had actually read my posts.

First of all ARPANET/USENET was and is entirely a social network. (They are properly capitalized BTW, I am not trying to be rude) The DARPA rules are very strict about not using any of their facilities "for profit" in any way.

I introduced the idea of chatterbots to illustrate the fact that there really is no way to tell if a "real person" is at the keyboard or not!

In fact i have developed a chatterbox object which I may one day sell or give away. It isbased on the Peanuts Character Lucy and uses the ancient ELIZA parody of a shrink to give surprisingly lucid responses to peoples questions.

Thus far I have only "rezzed" it in friends places for fun, but it is surprising how many people ask "who is behind the character"!

Did I miss something here - are you the "moderator" or what ...?

Call me an old SL fart. But in the 'old days' SL was more of a meritocracy then it is today.

One of the major attractions of SL for me was the fact it that most creators and businesses were genuinely trying to compete on a product level. People put a lot of effort, energy and talent in their work, and that would usually pay off.
It basically felt a bit like the middle age 'arts & crafts' spirit in a hyper modern environment

I considered it somewhat of a haven of honesty in a more or less hypocrite world. Where hard work, talent and energy had basically taken a back seat to money, 'networking' (playing a role), and boasting & lying (marketing), mostly because it simply worked.

Sadly you can't keep the real world out of SL. So hypocrisy (bots, camping chairs, land bots, 'finance institutes', rental scams etc.) has emerged within SL too.
I'm sorry to say, but I don't consider placing camping chairs or bots hard work or requiring talent and experience. It just requires a budget, a running computer and a different set of ethical principles. It essentially ruins the concept that hard work and talent can earn you a good profit, and makes SL in some respects an even sadder place than RL.

But yes, it works.

QFT

dont forget copy bot / texture rips/ content thieves:

I heard recently a rather well known skin designer wont be releasing any new skins because her designs were ripped off.

Some of the really big Classified ads have products that look remarkably similar to known names that makes you really wonder how authentic thier stuff is.

Ok some specifics - I mean like a local Wal-Mart (Indian Bend Road, Scottsdale) that plays Christmas Music so loudly that the cashiers have trouble doing their job properly. Complete with a manager that tells me that this is his "ethical duty" as a "Christian".

Maybe, but the Wal-Mart a few miles away in Tempe doesn't do that and (surprise!) is always much more crowded.

I call that "bad management", even if it is justified by some sort of "ethics" excuse.

For some reason I just don't go to Wal-Mart for the religious experience.

Thank you Colette But I am not in it for the quantity though. Except from some sarcastic funposts I mostly try to have a solid discussion, where both parties have valid arguments. Apparantly that part succeeded I doubt if I ever get to the first 1000 postings though *grin*.

Phil, it is your right to think whatever you think. The fact I do not want alt-farms in SL to generate false traffic, has got nothing to do with morality in my opinion. For me, its simply bad for SL, and gaming any system is not my cup of tea. But that is what I think, both you and me are entitled to our opinions.


The first argument I agree with. Some participants did not discuss in a decent way, at least not in my opinion. Throwing mud is not the way to have a discussion.
The second I do have my questions about. Because I am the person who spoke about the same word in another thread, but one about the same subject. Said it here, said it there: alt-farms are not a way to push up relevant business. Its a way to push up whetever business. The fact your business is relevant and you use an alt-farm, doesnt imply everone does. Since the thread was about traffic, and you used the same argument as here, I dont see it as screwing up a sensible discussion to write my arguments there as well.
If people who try to take the edge off your arguments in two seperate threads makes you stop posting, I wish you well. But reading your first handful of postings in this thread, I would have thought you could handle a discussion

Greetings, Marcel

This one's apples to kiwi fruit.

Business ethics aren't black and white. People trading guns and narcotics make a lot of money. But quite a lot of people don't because of ethical principles. I'm glad we have so many people with 'bad management' skills in those cases...

I'll post again to reply to this bit, but I'm not back in the overall discussion

It wasn't you Marcel. Your post in the other thread was perfectly fine and applicable. It was someone who attempted to stir things in another thread, by taking it off-topic in an accusational sort of way.

No *I* got the last word this time.

Glad you replied though Really thought it was my posting, which surprised me very much. And I must say, its nice furniture Taking a look at the alt-farm resulted in a fast way home, so much for ignoring warnings LOL

Greetings, Marcel