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Broccoli Curry
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01-03-2008 11:32
From: Cocoanut Koala Sometimes I think people who talk like this just really don't know the more financially successful people in SL. Theres more to being successful in SL than in financial terms. Look at Yadni's Junkyard or New Citizens Inc. Neither of those are "in it for the money" ... but you can't say that neither of those are successful in what they do. If "being successful" means you have to lie, cheat, and basically be underhanded to try and get 'one over' your competition using any means possible - rather than providing a better product/service than your competitors... then I think honestly I'd rather not be successful.
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Colette Meiji
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01-03-2008 11:33
Do you have the RL version? lol |
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Qie Niangao
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01-03-2008 11:33
From: Merchant Ivory The only caveat I'd place on all of this is that I think we do have to make a distinction between those who come to SL for fun and recreation (myself being one), and those that come in order to make a RL financial investment in the hope of making an RL financial gain. I kinda think the problems usually arise when these objectives get entangled in weird ways. I mean, on the scale of RL investment, an itinerant shoe-shiner has more capital invested and more recurring expenses than somebody with an eighth-sim store. So it's "just a game." But they make some RL money. So it's "serious business" too. And so we get business played out with all the fun of finding little tricks to stay just within the "rules of the game." Sure, in RL business there are rules, too, and competition means knowing how to stay within the rules without losing one's edge. But in RL, it is an exceptionally low-margin industry where the profitability of an enterprise really depends on staying a hair's breadth from the line. I believe the same is true in SL, but the "gameplay" side of it pulls a lot of folks a lot closer to those lines than is at all necessary. |
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Oryx Tempel
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01-03-2008 11:34
From: Colette Meiji Do you have the RL version? lol Of Phil's codpiece? Ewwww. Who knows where THAT'S been. |
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Colette Meiji
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01-03-2008 11:37
From: Oryx Tempel Of Phil's codpiece? Ewwww. Who knows where THAT'S been. Well wouldn't be so bad if he pads that statistic with .. um, padding. No theres a pic of him IRL with him in a codpiece floating around somewhere. |
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Karen Palen
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01-03-2008 11:39
From: Qie Niangao People keep saying this like it's a bad thing. Sure, Capitalism had a pretty good run for a while, but that was before the sub-prime mortgage mess.  The Soviet Union is doing SO well these days, they keep buying up all the land in California ... |
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Nika Talaj
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01-03-2008 11:43
From: Colette Meiji No theres a pic of him IRL with him in a codpiece floating around somewhere. yup. from some event called "The Linden Horror Picture Show" or something. Courtesy of the Second Life Herald:  from this page: http://www.secondlifeherald.com/slh/2005/10/the_wages_of_pl.html |
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Bradley Bracken
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01-03-2008 11:50
I have never been so grateful to see a thread finally derailed. Bless you all!
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Rebecca Proudhon
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01-03-2008 11:51
Dr. Scott: "I knew I was in with a bad crowd, But it was worse than I imagined...................."
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Oryx Tempel
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01-03-2008 11:59
From: Rebecca Proudhon Dr. Scott: "I knew I was in with a bad crowd, But it was worse than I imagined...................." Great Scott! |
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3Ring Binder
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01-03-2008 11:59
oh, that's just horrible! my eyes! MY EYES!  i see that he was too lazy in SL to make the codpiece, so he made sequined pants threw on a pair of leather chaps to cover the rest... but, it's still horrible. he's kind of cute in RL. |
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Phil Deakins
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01-03-2008 12:07
Marcel:
I should have posted again, should I? But his post was addressed to me personally, and asked me a number of questions, so I decided to reply. My reply indicated my attitude to many of the posts in this thread - posts that twist and contort things to suit their own arguments, and posts that invent things to suit their own arguments. And posts containing false accusations too.
His post was typical of them as it stated that I "defraud" people. Why should I sit back and be Mr. Nice Guy in the face of slanderous accusations like that? That sort of thing has permeated this thread. I've been accused of bragging more than once, which I've never done. I've been accused many times of cheating, and yet nobody has managed to say who I'm cheating. And I've been accused of many other things, which simply aren't true. His post accused me of defrauding people (a lie) - they think nothing of throwing insults and falsehoods my way. They frequently don't discuss/debate the issues in sensible ways; instead they turn to accusations, lies and insults. When asked, "In what way is it cheating, Tegg?", they don't explain how it cheats anyone; instead they say thing like, "In the way anyone who could realise by morals they are doing the wrong thing" - stating that it's a moral issue instead of answering the question. You just can't discuss with some of them - they don't know how to discuss something sensibly. All they know is how to insult people who don't agree with them, twist things, invent things, etc. So why shouldn't I voice some feelings after all that crap?
You mentioned my use of the phrase "false morality", so I'll explain what I mean by it. When people dislike certain things that other people do, they sometimes have a tendancy to bring up morality and ethics in an attempt at strengthening their argument, when it has nothing to do with morals or ethics. This thread has been like that. I've been accused many time here of being unethical for following normal business practises. I lump such things under the heading of 'false morality', because they are nothing to with morals or ethics.
Most or all of the people in this thread know nothing about search engines, except how to use them for search. All they seem to know is that, if you do things to improve your rankings, then you are unethical because, if your rankings go up, other people's rankings necessarily go down - and that's not fair, so it's unethical. False morality.
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Broccoli Curry
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01-03-2008 12:11
From: Phil Deakins I've been accused many time here of being unethical for following normal business practises. I don't know where in the world you live, but if all the stores nearby used the same tactics as you do... I'd shop elsewhere. What is normal about filling your store with fake customers all pretending to make the place look really popular. Low prim furniture is generally fairly cheap, as it appeals to noobs. How you can make 46k in a day is entirely beyond me.
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Karen Palen
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01-03-2008 12:13
From: Tegg Bode Hmm I think I'll take the weekly income tax in preference to being beaten, having a bullet put through my head then being dumped overboard to the sharks.  Actually the IRS tried that on my 1996 US return. They screwed things up so badly that they paid all of my legal bill AND still owe ME $70K. I understand the IRS agent who did the audit has disappeared under mysterious circumstances and that her body still has not been found though. |
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Marin Mielziner
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01-03-2008 12:14
Phil.....not everyone is against you. As a matter of fact I quite see your points. But my advice (not that it's worth much) is to drop it and go on. For the few people who posted here, there are many more who never posted, and some of them might well agree with you too. And some not. (Broccoli..why are you stirring this up again?)
I saw this very interesting debate turn into a nasty thread. The best thing to do is to just drop the subject until calmer heads prevail. So keep the derailment going. Don't make yourself miserable.
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Brenda Connolly
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01-03-2008 12:15
From: Bradley Bracken I have never been so grateful to see a thread finally derailed. Bless you all! Sometimes it just takes awhile for things to Clique
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Broccoli Curry
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01-03-2008 12:18
From: Marin Mielziner (Broccoli..why are you stirring this up again?) I have the right to post my opinions on this forum as much as, sadly, those who try to defend shady business practices.
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Marin Mielziner
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01-03-2008 12:18
From: Brenda Connolly Sometimes it just takes awhile for things to Clique I love their face soap! And the moisturizer too. |
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bilbo99 Emu
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01-03-2008 12:21
From: Karen Palen I understand the IRS agent who did the audit has disappeared under mysterious circumstances and that her body still has not been found though. You mean you forgot where you put it? Hmm Phoenix, AR huh? ... do you know Blondie? sorry .. fingers cold here ... just needed the excercise 
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Titania Bracken
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01-03-2008 12:21
From: Phil Deakins Marcel:
I should have posted again, should I? But his post was addressed to me personally, and asked me a number of questions, so I decided to reply. My reply indicated my attitude to many of the posts in this thread - posts that twist and contort things to suit their own arguments, and posts that invent things to suit their own arguments. And posts containing false accusations too.
His post was typical of them as it stated that I "defraud" people. Why should I sit back and be Mr. Nice Guy in the face of slanderous accusations like that? That sort of thing has permeated this thread. I've been accused of bragging more than once, which I've never done. I've been accused many times of cheating, and yet nobody has managed to say who I'm cheating. And I've been accused of many other things, which simply aren't true. His post accused me of defrauding people (a lie) - they think nothing of throwing insults and falsehoods my way. They frequently don't discuss/debate the issues in sensible ways; instead they turn to accusations, lies and insults. When asked, "In what way is it cheating, Tegg?", they don't explain how it cheats anyone; instead they say thing like, "In the way anyone who could realise by morals they are doing the wrong thing" - stating that it's a moral issue instead of answering the question. You just can't discuss with some of them - they don't know how to discuss something sensibly. All they know is how to insult people who don't agree with them, twist things, invent things, etc. So why shouldn't I voice some feelings after all that crap?
You mentioned my use of the phrase "false morality", so I'll explain what I mean by it. When people dislike certain things that other people do, they sometimes have a tendancy to bring up morality and ethics in an attempt at strengthening their argument, when it has nothing to do with morals or ethics. This thread has been like that. I've been accused many time here of being unethical for following normal business practises. I lump such things under the heading of 'false morality', because they are nothing to with morals or ethics.
Most or all of the people in this thread know nothing about search engines, except how to use them for search. All they seem to know is that, if you do things to improve your rankings, then you are unethical because, if your rankings go up, other people's rankings necessarily go down - and that's not fair, so it's unethical. False morality. FFS I only started this thread cos I was sick of going places to SOCIALISE and found empty areas, a platform full of dead campers, bots, alts etc, in the sky and lots of enticing little green dots on the map, followed up by checking the land to see traffic figures are huge and feeling cheated cos its made to look like the place is full of people to interact with. NOW if the ad said, this place is empty unless you want to join the other dead campers, fair enough, but the brag about "coming to join our visitors in our busy popular place full of interacting people who move and talk and, GOD FORBID, have a sense of humour". I have been BACK to these areas SEVERAL times and they are STILL full of dead campers. I also moaned about the people who have have camp pads and PUSH off people to keep up traffic but not pay out. What happened to the fun in SL? I don't care what you earn, what you sell and what your shops look like. I just want to have some virtual fun with people and go shopping in shops I WANT regardless of traffic which is exactly what I do, if I don't like the products, I move on to the next place. I'm very fussy. What peeved me was being tricked to a place that looked busy etc. NOW - anyone for cheesecake and a couple of pills? Titania xx
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Cocoanut Koala
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01-03-2008 12:24
From: Bradley Bracken I have never been so grateful to see a thread finally derailed. Bless you all! If Philip Linden in the flesh in a codpiece isn't enough to derail ANY thread, I don't know what would be! You've just got to love that boy. coco |
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Oryx Tempel
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01-03-2008 12:24
Like I said: "Who is John Galt?"
Here's what he says in "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand:
"Honesty is the recognition of the fact that the unreal is unreal and can have no value, that neither love nor fame nor cash is a value if obtained by fraud—that an attempt to gain a value by deceiving the mind of others is an act of raising your victims to a position higher than reality, [...] -- that honesty is not a social duty, not a sacrifice for the sake of others, but the most profoundly selfish virtue man can practice: his refusal to sacrifice the reality of his own existence to the deluded consciousness of others."
Make of it what you will.
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Marin Mielziner
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01-03-2008 12:25
From: Titania Bracken
NOW - anyone for cheesecake and a couple of pills?
Titania xx
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Cocoanut Koala
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01-03-2008 12:26
From: Phil Deakins Marcel:
I should have posted again, should I? But his post was addressed to me personally, and asked me a number of questions, so I decided to reply. My reply indicated my attitude to many of the posts in this thread - posts that twist and contort things to suit their own arguments, and posts that invent things to suit their own arguments. And posts containing false accusations too.
His post was typical of them as it stated that I "defraud" people. Why should I sit back and be Mr. Nice Guy in the face of slanderous accusations like that? That sort of thing has permeated this thread. I've been accused of bragging more than once, which I've never done. I've been accused many times of cheating, and yet nobody has managed to say who I'm cheating. And I've been accused of many other things, which simply aren't true. His post accused me of defrauding people (a lie) - they think nothing of throwing insults and falsehoods my way. They frequently don't discuss/debate the issues in sensible ways; instead they turn to accusations, lies and insults. When asked, "In what way is it cheating, Tegg?", they don't explain how it cheats anyone; instead they say thing like, "In the way anyone who could realise by morals they are doing the wrong thing" - stating that it's a moral issue instead of answering the question. You just can't discuss with some of them - they don't know how to discuss something sensibly. All they know is how to insult people who don't agree with them, twist things, invent things, etc. So why shouldn't I voice some feelings after all that crap?
You mentioned my use of the phrase "false morality", so I'll explain what I mean by it. When people dislike certain things that other people do, they sometimes have a tendancy to bring up morality and ethics in an attempt at strengthening their argument, when it has nothing to do with morals or ethics. This thread has been like that. I've been accused many time here of being unethical for following normal business practises. I lump such things under the heading of 'false morality', because they are nothing to with morals or ethics.
Most or all of the people in this thread know nothing about search engines, except how to use them for search. All they seem to know is that, if you do things to improve your rankings, then you are unethical because, if your rankings go up, other people's rankings necessarily go down - and that's not fair, so it's unethical. False morality. Well, I hope in all this, you have at least read my posts. coco |
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Titania Bracken
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01-03-2008 12:26
From: Marin Mielziner May I have strawberries on mine? By all means, its my favourite Titania xx
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