Christianity is "Adult"!

i'm curious if anyone knows who the old and new testaments were written for??also how many commandments there are??
are they laws?
why would a church need a man on the cross rather than a cross with a picture of Jesus looking at the cross??
also isn't the cross supposed to represent the trilogy?
The father the son and the holy ghost..

i've seen plenty of churches that use just the cross method..
and really most of those were not the in your face preaching law types compared to the ones using a man on a cross preaching fear and telling you your sins will be counted on judgment day..

also does anyone know the bibles definition of a church?

i love trivia lol

is that really a real pie
and is it any guuud

Yes, it's a Stargazy pie - so called because the little fishies gaze at the stars. It's a traditional Cornish recipe.


Oh yes! (but the fish must be very, very fresh).

The first was largely written for the tribes of Israel, whereas the second is an addendum for Christians.


There are ten commandments and taking them literally as laws depends very much on whether or not you a] subscribe to an Abrahamic religion or b] live in a society where the law is influenced by such.

As far as I know there is nothing to cover traffic violations or taxes.


One is a symbol of his central sacrifice the other would be taking his occupation of carpenter a little too literally.


It's the Trinity and no the cross isn't a symbol of such.


The tortured looking idolatrous one that sensitive souls tend to find abhorrent is known as a 'crucifix' whereas the bog-standard cross method is simply a ... cross.


Perhaps you wouldn't need to ask these facile questions if the preachers you paid attention to you actually knew their onions?


That would be what Jesus nicknamed his disciple Simon 'Peter' (Aramaic: 'kaya' meaning stone) as the cornerstone for.


Do you know much trivia?

You are pretty stupid for such a smart ass.

Here's a pick nit: Ten only applies for christian groups that so subscribe to 10 commandments.

That's small-minded invective, thinly veiled as sarcasm, not trivia.

And since it wasn't me who got the Huns out of date by a few centuries, I guess you're pretty stupid for such a sourass.

Please, Gentlemen [or Ladies], let's try to be civil. OK?

I'll attempt to practice that which I preach as well.

Reprobate fits. You can keep you god on a stick and pretend it's brought about ALL OF SCIENCE, meanwhile your compadres are pushing us back to the frikkin dark ags. So blow it out your ear buddy.

Go away, Zed.

Seems you're just another Pep but without the wit.

Well, that was a fun thread. Maybe if christianity didn't have it's own history of bloody violence above and beyond the filthy crusifixation. If you hadn't had you crusades and your inquisitions and the bloody witch hunts (which BTW are still going on) maybe you'd have a case. You were begat bloody and you'll be bloody violent till the end.

the old was written for the jews...the new was written for the gentiles and anyone willing to realize that you cannot earn your salvation though works..Christianity was not founded for like another 400 years after he died.. it wasn't a religion when the books were written.



there are 613 commandments..since you would have to be perfect in every way i'm sure those are covered in there..
since you would have to be jesus like to be able to complete them it would be a slim chance of making it past the gates trying to keep them all..




some show him alive before the sacrifice and some show his body dead after and some show an empty cross..depending on which church you are standing in some do look at the cross as a symbol that represents the trinity..
ever seen a cross with 3 stems on each end?

a lot think the beating and pain were the sacrifice when it wasn't..that was just a final test for him and a last ditch effort at satans trying to break him from making the sacrifice..
it was the moment he had taken in all sins past present and future that was the sacrifice..

and thank you for the correction on trilogy hahahahaha
i seem to watch more movies than read the bible these days lol




i'm just asking christians questions like anyone else here..
i'm just wondering which christianity is wanting to build a church is all..
because there are so many different types all in one religion..
the social type that go to church because they want to impress everyone around them and the ones that think they know what this book says and the ones that use it to manipulate and the ones that have an understanding of it..

a church is when two or more gather in his name..it's not a building


yes and thank you for playing

seriously though ..depending what door me or you walk into would determine which of us were right or wrong..my point was kind of to see what different answers would show up..not really anything more than that..
i live in the bible belt so i see everyone always arguing over who's bible is better..

the problem i have with a religion like this..it gets cluttered so much..the book is really a good book and has lots of good stories and some good guidlines for life..
but it's been used and abused a lot over time by greedy people killing and taking in the name of it..

Ephraim Kappler chuckles: I thought you meant trivia not bible study!


So what's new about that?

We could make a religion out of the Teletubbies and I'm pretty sure people will be killing one and other over it in the space of a few years. F@ck's sake they do it over football teams.

While I ultimately couldn't care less about the merits (or demerits) of one religion over another, I do find it worrisome that people will insist on shaking their heads or stamping their feet out of sheer pique and pretending that it will all go away if they just make out it's silly enough. The fact is that religion has its place in our make-up along with all those other inescapable human needs and one individual's idea of a crucifix representing tortuous violence can easily be viewed by another as a symbol of our very human suffering in the midst of all the bullshit that life throws at us. By the same token, one individual's idea of worship might be going to church whereas another would prefer the communion of a burger and a seat in the bleachers with his/her buddies.

Nevertheless there will always be tears before bedtime: just look at ole Zen's posts here, foaming at the mouth because he/she assumes they've caught a died-in-the-wool bible thumper to rail at.

Your attributing all of modern science to a change of perspective brought on by christian thought. Then rather than acknowledge that the Islamic scholars were already on that (with out the benefit you some merrily foisted on the shoulders of Jesus) you point out an error of mine mistaking on bloody marauding barbarian horde for another. It's a small man that can't admit his mistake and a smaller one to insult others rather than do so.
Zen, signing out.

Bullshit.

lol you knew what i was up to before you posted silly wabbit
besides if it was bible class i would have not asked questions



it's a great collection of books really..there is nothing new about what has been going on with religions..i just think if people want to preach about it and make it more important than all the other religions out there they should understand it first is all lol

if it is based on belief and everything happening for a reason and the lord working in mysterious ways.. why would they lose faith that it is for the best that their church may end up in the place where they consider the most sin to be taking place?

it's also one thing to go to church if you want..but when you are told it is a sin if you don't it becomes a guilt trip..

religions to me are fine until they go around forcing themselves on you is all i am saying ..
christians of all people should know it is about accepting rather than scaring the crap out of someone to join up..
lol

as i said..it's a great book and there are some very good lessons in it..

but someone coming up to me screaming that thier bible has been tride in the fire 7 times and calling me a sinner is not the best way to get me to church on time..not that i go anymore.. lol

c'mon now you know you are a thumper
kidding lol

i just think this thread was thought up out of boredom and believe that the OP never intended to make a church in the first place..

What a profound, well-reasoned and thought-out counter-argument to Emphraim's points.

Not.

For someone who seems so sure of yourself that God and Jesus don't exist and religion is pure bunk, you sure do get your panties all in a wad whenever discussion of such happens. Could it be a sign of deep-seated doubt in your mind?

i think you are mistaking someone that was using a religion for personal gain rather than say someone using it to the letter of it's intent..
it's humans and the manipulators using their greed in the name of it to get what they want that you are mad at..
but i'm sure it grew so big because of that aswell

QFE

FWIW: Not all Christians are like this; in fact, only a very small, vocal minority are. The rest of us are perfectly content living our lives in quiet reflection. There are rabidly-dogmatic people in all faiths, religions, lack-of-religions, and all other facets of life, as our friend Zed has so clearly demonstrated.

oh i understand what you are saying completely..
i live in the heart of the bible belt myself..there are all kinds around me daily..from extreme to very passive and pleasant people..
very respectful people..
some feel the need to try and convert me because i take pride in my heritage which is Apache rather than go to church with them or bible studies..so on a daily basis christianity is around me in a very loud presence..

i don't mind having discussions with the calmer people that know it is much simpler than the ones trying to use fear and manipulation..

infact it is very relaxing talking with the kinder ones and have had some good healthy conversations with them..
you can't talk the loud ones calmly about anything without getting an ear full of "dem heeethuns and seeenuzzz
they'll buuun in heell fer it.".

"but but but it was a song about holdin hands!!"
"you know who has hands don'tcha?? the devil !!and you know what he uses'em fer? Holdin!!"

had to throw in the accent there lol it's the deep south lol

I know exactly what you're talking about! I've had personal encounters with such people - people who have tried to convince me that my faith was not valid because I did not believe exactly as they did. They were zealots, plain and simple. Every belief - religious or otherwise - has them. Don't believe me? Try going into a Linux newsgroup extolling the virtues of Windows. A lot of people like to treat religion like an exclusive club because it feeds their egos. I remind myself and others around me that these people do not represent all of Christianity.

Ephraim Kappler shakes his head ruefully: now you're really asking for trouble if you want to get on the Windows schtick.

I think its a mistake to use religion as a scapegoat for the busy-bodies who are so comfortable involving themselves in the private affairs of others. In case you haven't noticed there are plenty of atheist busy-bodies who seem to have no qualms involving themselves in the private affairs of people who value religion, and seem very aggressive in trying to do anything possible to marginalize the things that others value the most.

There is a huge problem with people who won't mind their own business, and I don't appreciate having the bible-thumpers trying to push their views down my throat either. However there are certain standards of decency in society, with or without religion or moral judgments, and certain behaviors which are totally unacceptable such as pedophilia, bestiality, rape, etc. Even if there were no religion, and the atheist zealots were able to march us off into boxcars and have a world their own way, there would still be a million know-it-all-busy-bodies arising out of this group who would feel perfectly comfortable in making determinations about what we should all be doing, or not be doing in the privacy of our own homes. Pretty soon it would be against the law to not be a perv!

The purpose of religion isn't to control people but to provide a reference of morality for society. It has been abused in the past, but it really can be something which encourages people to take personal responsibility for their actions. It is actually quite liberating not having to rationalize every bad thing you do. You commit a sin, you admit it, you move on. You don't have to launch into a 3 page rationalization about how evil God is to make yourself feel better. The key is that everyone has their own free will, and as long as you are willing to take responsibility for your behavior you can do whatever you want. This is the way I view it anyway and I think its good for society.

I think at times religion can begin to infringe on our personal liberties if it gets out of control, but this is generally caused by some busy body, or a group of busy bodies sticking their noses where they don't belong. I don't appreciate it either. As is evidenced by certain religions, it also has the potential to hold people back thousands of years culturally and I see this as a problem too. But personally, I put a lot more trust in the bible as a point of reference and guide for morality than the convoluted rationalizations of atheists and the libertine. Although not perfect, it is a book based on ancient lessons of humanity and still has some relevance today.