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Christianity is "Adult"!

Daisy Rimbaud
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06-05-2009 08:08
Bizarrely, if I wanted to build a little Roman Catholic chapel in SL, it seems I would have to do it in a space designated "Adult" ...

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Representations of intensely violent acts, whether or not photo-realistic (for example, depicting death, torture, dismemberment or other severe bodily harm)


That certainly takes in the Crucifixion, which is depicted in most Christian churches. But for some reason no-one has ever tried to stop children going into churches.

The same goes, of course, for art galleries, which are not exactly seen as places to keep children out of, but usually have several paintings of violent martyrdoms.

I think someone should leak it to the media that LL is censoring the Christian religion.
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06-05-2009 08:12
And this is why I'm arguing in other threads for sanity. Something which does not exist in the new PG/Mature/Adult world we're about to become a part of.

In one post I made reference to Pleasantville, let's all make it required viewing, shall we? Pleasantville. It's just, well, pleasant. Predictable. And all in black & white. Until extremes of emotion start cropping up. Love. Lust. *gasp* Men and women sleeping the same bed together. Anger. In short, people acting like human beings. Then the world starts slowly becoming colorized. Response? Segregate them! Preserve our black & white way of life!

This is exactly what is happening now in SL, as I see it. Instead of embracing color, we must strive to keep Pleasantville black and white, and pleasant, let the colors go someplace else. Well, I, as a rational adult human being, embrace color, thank you very much.
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06-05-2009 08:18
I'm thinking that it falls under the education and non-profit exception clause.
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06-05-2009 08:19
I lost the link... There was a site that listed a quantity of sexual organs on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel and the apparent ages of each exposed naughtybit. Surely... Such a depiction would be (Adult) and Broadly Offensive©®™ according to LL's regulations. =^-^=
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06-05-2009 08:31
From: Jerboa Haystack
I'm thinking that it falls under the education and non-profit exception clause.



What about the orgy sims that are nonprofit?
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06-05-2009 08:34
From: Daisy Rimbaud
Bizarrely, if I wanted to build a little Roman Catholic chapel in SL, it seems I would have to do it in a space designated "Adult" ...



That certainly takes in the Crucifixion, which is depicted in most Christian churches. But for some reason no-one has ever tried to stop children going into churches.

The same goes, of course, for art galleries, which are not exactly seen as places to keep children out of, but usually have several paintings of violent martyrdoms.

I think someone should leak it to the media that LL is censoring the Christian religion.


Tere is sex violence rape and an awfully lot of other non pg content in the bible and if you represent all aspects of religion, satinisim, wiccan,christianity etc you cant pick and choose which one is acceptable and which is not. For instance skyclad wiccans praising the forces of nature verses christians on their knees drinking the blood of the holy father....

So LL cant verywell say Wiccans are adult but christians are not...
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06-05-2009 08:53
i hope they do force religion to the adult continent. imo its nothing less than child abuse to subject children to that sickness.
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06-05-2009 08:56
From: Jerboa Haystack
I'm thinking that it falls under the education and non-profit exception clause.


Which you just know will be FUBAR'd to the hilt. They are opening such a can of worms trying to define all this down into neat little piles, it isn't going to work.
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06-05-2009 08:58
/me facepalms
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06-05-2009 09:00
From: Nina Stepford
i hope they do force religion to the adult continent. imo its nothing less than child abuse to subject children to that sickness.
That's not fair, 'cause just look at how well I turned out after 12 years of Cathoholic education. Oh, wait, hmmm see your point. ;)
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06-05-2009 09:20
/me laughs. I have often felt that folks should have to pass a test to practice Christianity since, for people who are less than disciplined in their thinking, it so easily devolves into a complete displacement of personal responsibility onto a Supreme Being. I wonder if that was the original purpose of Catholicism's "Confirmation" ritual?

I am always haunted by Lionel Dahmer's statement on national TV that his cannibal son Jeffrey was exactly as God intended him to be because he was "raised by Jesus".

If anything should be segregated to an Adult area, it is Christianity! *ducks*
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06-05-2009 09:24
From: Daisy Rimbaud
Bizarrely, if I wanted to build a little Roman Catholic chapel in SL, it seems I would have to do it in a space designated "Adult" ...



That certainly takes in the Crucifixion, which is depicted in most Christian churches. But for some reason no-one has ever tried to stop children going into churches.

The same goes, of course, for art galleries, which are not exactly seen as places to keep children out of, but usually have several paintings of violent martyrdoms.

I think someone should leak it to the media that LL is censoring the Christian religion.

are you building a church?
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06-05-2009 09:34
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/me laughs. I have often felt that folks should have to pass a test to practice Christianity since, for people who are less than disciplined in their thinking, it so easily devolves into a complete displacement of personal responsibility onto a Supreme Being. I wonder if that was the original purpose of Catholicism's "Confirmation" ritual?

I am always haunted by Lionel Dahmer's statement on national TV that his cannibal son Jeffrey was exactly as God intended him to be because he was "raised by Jesus".

If anything should be segregated to an Adult area, it is Christianity! *ducks*
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well it's supposed to be about saving people so they say..so what better place to be than what they consider the pit of sin :D
can't really go saving people from a pg area now can they? ;)
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06-05-2009 09:36
From: Nina Stepford
i hope they do force religion to the adult continent. imo its nothing less than child abuse to subject children to that sickness.


You're a Richard Dawkins fan. Aren't you?
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But not a comprehensive list . . .
06-05-2009 09:37
Let's not be choosy about a couple of belief systems that might indicate particular personal prejudices. Instead, we really do need to include:

Orthodox Bahai Faith, Christianity, Catholicism, Christian Gnosticism, Eastern Orthodoxy, Oriental Orthodoxy, Protestantism, Restorationism, Mormonism, Druzism, Islam, Sunni, Shafi'i, Hanafi, Maliki, Hanbali, Shiite, Alawites, Ismailis, Wahhabi, Sufism, Nation of Islam, Ibadhiyya, Ahmadiyya, Judaism, Pre-Rabbinic sects, Essenes, Hebrew religion, Pharisaism, Sadducees, Rabbinic Judaism, Conservative Judaism, Orthodox Judaism, Ultra-Orthodox Judaism, Modern Orthodox Judaism, Hasidic Judaism, Reconstructionist Judaism, Reform Judaism, Falasha Judaism, Karaite Judaism, Rastafari, Samaritanism, 20th Century Messianic Renewed Judaism II, Ayyavazhi, Buddhism, Theravada, Mahayana, Vajrayana, Hinduism, Vedanta, Vaishnavism, Swaminarayan sect, Gaudiya Vaishnavism, ISKCON, Hare Krishna, Saivism, Saktism, Smartism, Yoga, Jainism, Sikhism, Manichaeism, Zoroastrianism, Mytraism, Zurvanism, Confucianism, Iglesia ni Cristo, Juche, Mohism, Shinto, Oomoto, Taoism, Tenrikyo, ching hung, ting hung, Candomblé, Haitian Voudun, Macumba, Santería, Umbanda, Winti, African religions, Akamba mythology, Akan mythology, Ashanti mythology, Bushongo mythology, Dahomey mythology, Dinka mythology, Efik mythology, Egyptian mythology, Isoko mythology, Khoikhoi mythology, Lotuko mythology, Lugbara mythology, Pygmy mythology, Tumbuka mythology, Voudun, Voodoo, Yoruba mythology, Zulu mythology, Basque mythology, Chukchi mythology, Druidry, Finnish mythology, Greek religion, Hellênismos, Roman religion, Norse mythology, Asatru, Slavic mythology, Yezidis, Abenaki mythology, Aztec mythology, Blackfoot mythology, Chippewa mythology, Creek mythology, Crow mythology, Guarani mythology, Haida mythology, Huron mythology, Ibo mythology, Iroquois mythology, Kwakiutl mythology, Lakota mythology, Lenape mythology, Navaho mythology, Nootka mythology, Pawnee mythology, Salish mythology, Seneca mythology, Tsimshian mythology, Ute mythology, Winnebago mythology, Zuni mythology, Northern indigenous religions, Aleut mythology, Evenk mythology, Inuit mythology, Yukaghir mythology, Australian Aboriginal mythology, Cargo cults, Dievturiba, Hawaiian religion, Maori mythology, Modekngei (Republic of Palau), Nauruan indigenous religion, Polynesian mythology, Tuvaluan mythology, Animism, Goddess Worship, Paganism, Shamanism, ACIM (A Course In Miracles), Eclectic unification religions, Cao Dai, Arès Pilgrim Movement, Law of One, Matrixism: The path of the One, Unitarian Universalism, Universal Life Church, THC Ministry, Theosophy, Falun Dafa (Falun Gong), Humanism, Secular Humanism, Spiritual Humanism, New Humanism, Neopaganism (some forms), Satanism, Temple of Set, Thelema, Neopaganism, Finnish neopaganism, Neo-druidism, Judeo-Paganism, Wicca, Alexandrian Wicca, Dianic Wicca, Gardnerian Wicca, Seax-Wica, Faery Wicca, Feri Tradition, Process Church of the Final Judgement, Raelism, Scientology, Spiritualism, Spiritism, Science Grounded Religion, Dev Samaj, Summum, Esotericism, Alchemy, Freemasonry, Gnosticism, Kabbalah, Occultism, Rosicrucian, Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis, Confraternity of the Rose Cross, Christian mysticism, Gnosticism, Hindu mysticism, Tantra, Tantric yoga, Martinism, Meditation, Kabbalah, Spirituality, Sufism, Theosophy, Astrology, Divination, Prophecy, Exorcism, Faith healing, Feng Shui, Magick, Chaos magick, Enochian magick, Grimoire magick, Goetic magick, Miracles, Seid, Witchcraft, Ritualism, Prayer, Sacrifice, Animal sacrifice, Human sacrifice, Agnosticism, Atheism, Deism, Panentheism, Pantheism, Theism, Bokononism, Brianism, Church of Beavis Christ, Church of Dolcett, Church of Emacs, Church of Jesus Christ Elvis, Church of the SubGenius (The cult of J R "Bob" Dobbs), Discordianism, The Golden Molsonites, The First Church of the Last Laugh, The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Kibology, Roshambo, Shatnerology, Tapism, Invisible pink unicorn, The religions of the Cthulhu Mythos, Jedi, The Force, Klingon religion, Robotology.
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06-05-2009 09:40
From: Daisy Rimbaud
Bizarrely, if I wanted to build a little Roman Catholic chapel in SL, it seems I would have to do it in a space designated "Adult" ...

No you wouldn't and frankly dumbassed propositions like this don't help reasonable argument about the pros and cons of 'Adult' rating in the least.
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06-05-2009 09:46
From: Ephraim Kappler
No you wouldn't and frankly dumbassed propositions like this don't help reasonable argument about the pros and cons of 'Adult' rating in the least.



Why not? what is so special about a belief in an imaginary friend that should give it exemption from the rules the rest of us have to play by?

eta: yes, I know it's a contentious statement but I'm just trying to live up to my new image.
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06-05-2009 09:51
General Question:

Is any of this really useful to anyone? Obviously there is the letter of the law and the spirit of the law.

We can spend all day discussing the former, but one could imagine enforcement will be handled by the latter.
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06-05-2009 09:56
From: Viciously Llewellyn
General Question:

Is any of this really useful to anyone? Obviously there is the letter of the law and the spirit of the law.

We can spend all day discussing the former, but one could imagine enforcement will be handled by the latter.

You're delusional.

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06-05-2009 10:01
From: Nina Stepford
i hope they do force religion to the adult continent. imo its nothing less than child abuse to subject children to that sickness.


To say nothing of the abuse of the childlike minds that are the target of the propaganda. I'd still like to know which children are being protected when they aren't even allowed on the adult grid.
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06-05-2009 10:02
From: Ephraim Kappler

No you wouldn't and frankly dumbassed propositions like this don't help reasonable argument about the pros and cons of 'Adult' rating in the least.


Agreed, it is a silly analogy and a weak way to argue, but it does have it's very valid and stinging little point.

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06-05-2009 10:04
From: Viciously Llewellyn
General Question: Is any of this really useful to anyone? Obviously there is the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. We can spend all day discussing the former, but one could imagine enforcement will be handled by the latter.
I would say yes, this type of discussion is useful in understanding the development of one's belief system - whatever that may be.

How many threads discuss adult content? And each response shows a belief system in action. Where did those beliefs spring from? They certainly did not spring from a vacumn, but from our social milieu which certainly contains religious beliefs and attitudes towards them. Those beliefs/attitudes are shaping the future of SL whether we like it or not.
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06-05-2009 10:13
From: Paracelsus Schonberg
How many threads discuss adult content?


I have never seen a thread that discussed adult content. I have seen;

1. Hysteria about adult content, with a lot of false information presented ...
2. Blame handed out, without anything to support it ...
3. Extreme examples discussed, for instance this one ...
4. Deceptive answers from the Lindens ...
5. A misquote rate around 90% ...

I'm sure there is more, but it eludes me. :rolleyes:
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06-05-2009 10:13
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Why not?

Because the facile proposition is muddying up an already quite confused area of argument.

From: Couldbe Yue
what is so special about a belief in an imaginary friend that should give it exemption from the rules the rest of us have to play by?

The imaginary friend's adherents of various denominations have been refining their 'content' for millennia and, whether or not you accept the concomitant belief structure, the imagery and other trappings are very much cultural artifacts.

From: Couldbe Yue
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Be my guest but I would refer you to Pep if you're seeking an otherwise pointless argument.
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06-05-2009 10:15
From: Viciously Llewellyn
General Question:

Is any of this really useful to anyone? Obviously there is the letter of the law and the spirit of the law.

We can spend all day discussing the former, but one could imagine enforcement will be handled by the latter.


That's the problem; we can only imagine enforcement being handled by the latter. We can't expect it.

It is a valid point, though. Some bona fide religions believe in and practice all manner of what would be considered under this policy as "adult-only" behavior. If claiming a religious belief is going to be considered a defense of it not being acted on by LL, then that pretty much blows the whole policy right there.

Where do you draw the line on the "spirit" of the rules? There still has to be a line somewhere.
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