Christianity is "Adult"!

Oh noes! A religion that discorages murder, rape, stealing, cheating on your partner, disrespecting your parents, beating your children and being a dickhead to everyone you meet! We can't have the children learning how to be good people now do we? We have to put it in the adult content section because as we all know ONLY adults can be perfect and innocent! Children can't be! Because all children are evil!

I disagree, I read that as Ephraim saying just he thinks Jesus Christ lifted the Western world some what. I don't see anything bad about non Western people in it at all.

From Ephraim's quote:
"There's a strong argument that the archetypal sacrifice and resurrection was integral to the inception of the Piscean Millennium and that, without it, Western thought would not have taken the leaps and bounds of invention that it did."

Stop backpedaling. First it's "this event was integral and without it we'd all be living in tents still" and now it's "oh... it 'somewhat' helped."

Honestly...

Oryx's point wasn't that she was offended, it was more a rebuttal. I had the exact same thought when I read that claim. If the eastern world became civilized without Christ... I don't think the Western world would still be living in tents.... and... claiming that propogating a myth raised everyones consciousness from myth and legend is about on par with doubleplusungood.

Agreed. And I am far from alone in seeing the limited Western approach in Jung's "universalism" as invalidating. Anyone wishing to expand beyond a "Western frame of reference" can read a good introductory book on world religions.

I hate to hijack this thread and make it all about me, but has anyone considered that the last thing I need next door to my shiny new gigantic prim penis build (with particle effect) on the new continent is a bloody Jesus to make me feel guilty?

I almost posted a reply that to express that, very seriously, I personally find the depiction of a man being tortured with nails in his wrists and ankles and spikes in his head to be much more disturbing than a clean erect penis. I never could stand to look at the artwork that more realistically depicted the Crucifixion. It's hard for me to look at any picture of torture without getting ill.

It's not a hijack, it's very relevant. (And just now it occurs to me that the "hijack" comment was full of irony.)

Then, after Linden Lab has had that opportunity of applying the policy inconsistently and with bias toward certain persons or organization, that is the time to go to the media about Linden Lab censorship.

From Ephraim's quote:
"There's a strong argument that the archetypal sacrifice and resurrection was integral to the inception of the Piscean Millennium and that, without it, Western thought would not have taken the leaps and bounds of invention that it did."

Stop backpedaling. First it's "this event was integral and without it we'd all be living in tents still" and now it's "oh... it 'somewhat' helped."

Honestly...

Oryx's point wasn't that she was offended, it was more a rebuttal. I had the exact same thought when I read that claim. If the eastern world became civilized without Christ... I don't think the Western world would still be living in tents.... and... claiming that propogating a myth raised everyones consciousness from myth and legend is about on par with doubleplusungood.

Yeah those non-Western Chinese just couldn't reason outside of mysteries and myths. They're so damned backward.

The implication was that only Western minds were able to reason outside of mysteries and myths.

Stop backpedaling. First it's "this event was integral and without it we'd all be living in tents still" and now it's "oh... it 'somewhat' helped."

I am far from alone in seeing the limited Western approach in Jung's "universalism" as invalidating.

Once the Adult policy goes into place, residents who don't like the Adult policy should AR a depiction of the Crucifixion on PG land. Not for the purpose of harassing Christians (of which I am one.) The reason I would have for filing such an AR is to give Linden Lab the opportunity to let the depiction of the Crucifixion continue on PG land under the clause:

"We may take into account whether apparent or reported adult content or conduct on a particular Region serves only an extremely limited or passive function, or an important educational or cultural function, and therefore would be appropriate for all Second Life audiences."

Let Linden Lab build a record of who and what gets protection under the exception, and who are what doesn't.

Then, after Linden Lab has had that opportunity of applying the policy inconsistently and with bias toward certain persons or organization, that is the time to go to the media about Linden Lab censorship.

And it's really almost inevitable that the policy will be applied inconsistently and with bias. The policy is designed that way. The backdoor way to regulating expression from certain groups or individuals is to broadly regulate all expression, and then provide a catch-all exception that allows the authority figure to easily protect its favored groups.

In other words, "It is against the rules to have violence on PG land, except when we say it's okay to have violence on PG land."

Even though we all know where this is going, now is not the time to scream to the media. Right now the story is that there is some looney, unproven conspiracy theory about Linden Lab's motives. Give them the chance to actually do what we think they will do. Then, there is a documented, provable story of actual acts, and then people will take notice.

filed a ticket and churchs with cross depictions are not adult thanks for some common sense that lindens do have.

people start trying to nitpick each tiny detail for the sake of trolling and it's really pathetic. But people can whine all they want, file a ticket or ask and you'll find that those are fine in pg.

heck they even have that on the teen grid too.

people need to stop with the nitpicking and whining over crap that does not exist. People love to make up a problem then claim lindens said this or that by taking text out of context. Why don't you use some common sense and file a ticket and ask or go during office hours and ask? noooo, why not? they love to troll.

ignorance must be bliss.

The second paragraph in my post was about an "archetypal sacrifice" (the story of the crucifixion and its essential meaning is as old as the myth of Prometheus) not simply an 'event'. The point was that in this case, the myth 'caught' in Western psychology, engendering a new era with a new mode of thinking.

Jung also made a broad and detailed study of Eastern culture and thinking in the development of his psychology. I have yet to read a 'detractor' whose scholarship could hold a metaphorical candle to his theories.

I almost posted a reply that to express that, very seriously, I personally find the depiction of a man being tortured with nails in his wrists and ankles and spikes in his head to be much more disturbing than a clean erect penis. I never could stand to look at the artwork that more realistically depicted the Crucifixion. It's hard for me to look at any picture of torture without getting ill.

3. Extreme examples discussed, for instance this one ...

To paraphrase the great Potter Stewart, Linden Lab might not be able fully to define adult content, but we all know it when we see it, and clearly the imagery in question here is not it. I would have thought that was rather obvious.

Bizarrely, if I wanted to build a little Roman Catholic chapel in SL, it seems I would have to do it in a space designated "Adult" ...



That certainly takes in the Crucifixion, which is depicted in most Christian churches. But for some reason no-one has ever tried to stop children going into churches.

The same goes, of course, for art galleries, which are not exactly seen as places to keep children out of, but usually have several paintings of violent martyrdoms.

I think someone should leak it to the media that LL is censoring the Christian religion.

Children have special room mostly in churches and do not attend normal services until they are ready to understand the content of the bible. You cant put some of the other religions on adult and not christian. I am all for this one. sorry

I can give you a much better definition of "adult content":

1. Portrayal of sexual acts.
2. Portrayal of genitals in an aroused state.

That's really all you need. Depiction of nudity, even photo-realistically, is not "adult" unless it is explicitly sexual, and depiction of violence is not "adult" at all.

and the argument that religion has inspired scientific advancement is laughable in the extreme.

and the argument that religion has inspired scientific advancement is laughable in the extreme.

Galileo and Copernicus would probably agree with you on that one.

They were certainly glad of the patronage afforded them by the establishment of their day although I agree they could have done without the interference and threats of a few cynical CEOs.