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Alts being used DELIBERATELY for malice

PennyWhistle Cameron
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08-10-2008 06:35
I don't really need you to revise your opinion of me. I daresay mine of you is just as unsavory at this juncture. And being deliberately obtuse is just plain silly coming from someone purporting to have such a superior intellect.

Now, not only are you a coward, but you're a liar. Your little thread didn't go nearly as well as you hoped, you came off looking like a wankstain, and now you're changing tacts. Delude yourself, laddie but save it, because it appears most of us have your numbah.
Pserendipity Daniels
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08-10-2008 06:43
From: Skell Dagger
On behalf of the human race, I offer my sincere apologies for all of those moments when anyone has been emotionally upset by words that have been said. This includes (but is not limited to) little children that have sobbed after being bullied in the playground, and wives that have wept in the kitchen after being told the Christmas dinner that they spent hours cooking was not very good. The latter, of course, should have discerned logically the unnecessary and therefore unspoken addition of, "compared with your usual wonderful offerings, my dear".

Most people are human. They emote. Emotion is a wonderful thing, even when it goes wrong. It proves we are human. Logical calculation and response in everyday situations should be limited to computers and Vulcans.


I can't remember who said it but "an emotional argument knows of no refutation". By definition, I have no argument against someone who denies logic.
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Blyss Burton
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08-10-2008 06:53
Fortunately, I did not use my main - - and fortunately I did not use voice. A simple attempt at conversation, to see if he was as nasty one on one, as he is in forum - - (I got my answer) - - turned into a sickening dialogue.

He was hell bent on accusing Brann - - in fact blackmailed me - - saying that if I did not turn over my main - - he would destroy Brann in the forum - - and it would be my fault.

So - - he's a little bit off in his explanations above.

Two years in SL - - with every experience you could think of - - and this was the most awful experience that I've had.

I don't want to participate in this - - I've had my fill of his nastiness - - but I can't stand reading what he wrote and letting it go.

It's my choice if I want to use my alt. There was no deception. My main doesn't know him. That was a wise decision on my part - - because he has made my alt's life a living hell. Contacting him, and being nice - - was NOT a wise decision on my part.
PennyWhistle Cameron
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08-10-2008 06:53
And by the way, try coming up with something new and innovative to insult me. Hopping on my Name Game Bandwagon just makes you look like a joiner and not a leader.

Now, I must run do some real life things. But I leave you to try to devise something fresh to insult me with, but if you insist on copying me, at least use the brain to think up some good ones.
Brann Georgia
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08-10-2008 07:01
Boy, I'm glad that peppy muted me so that I don't need to respond to him about his post.

Heed the lesson in Backhanded Apology 101:

- Do so only as damage control after 10 pages of flaming (he was obviously online enough to spar with Penny)
- Insert it into a reply to someone else's post
- Blame the whole thing on the offended party's mental state
- Don't actually admit to anything but blame other people's ability to read
- Insert a humorous anecdote about your wife's shortcomings and the hot date you had last night.
- Then suggest the whole thing was just a joke

Please let him know that an apology, backhanded or not, isn't necessary. I wasn't the only person implicated in the OP. As my previous post stated, it's been forgiven because I think he just can't help acting the way he does, making an apology meaningless, and mostly because forgiveness feels pretty good :)

If he truly felt that he was out of line he would have this entire pointless, if entertaining, thread removed instead enjoying the verbal fencing match it provides for him. (Although, after Blyss' last post, I'm sure he's PMing every moderator he can find)

Pep isn't going to lay off abusing others for their "cultural inadequacies" (or words to that effect - I cannot be bothered to review his more offensive posts) or failure to present their posts in proper essay form. His attempts to discredit those who oppose him isnt' going to stop people from voicing their disapproval of his practices.

Please also point out to him that his usage of the comma is atrocious and requires serious review.
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Pserendipity Daniels
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08-10-2008 07:03
From: Marianne Little
The start of this thread reminds me of when I created an alt. I was bored in the Christmas vacation, and decided to make an alt to see if she wouldn’t crash so much with a small inventory.

I took the time to pick up the nicest freebies that was available at that time, and started to TP around. I came to a new place and started to have a friendly talk with a total stranger. Most Americans think that I type well enough, and so did this man. He was impressed that I was Scandinavian and complimented me on my writing. Then suddenly he changed his attitude. He started to ask about the name of the King in my country, what time it was there, and such details. Then he asked me right out if I was an alt of XXX, a friend of him who used to pull jokes on people. I denied that and told him that I had newer meet him; I was an alt but not made to harm. I don’t know if he believed me, so I told him it was nice talking with him and TP’ed out. That was all. There were no suggestions of romance or intimacy before this, and nothing he could be embarrassed about. He might be paranoid or burned before, what do I know?

Some times people are what they appear to be. You asked for advice so why not keep in touch with the avatar that contacted you and see what happens? Most people will not manage to hide their true intentions over time.

I know you don’t think that I write “Good English” and hate to read my posts, but I don’t feel offended. It’s not possible to please everybody all the time.


Marianne. Thank you SO MUCH for posting this. In comparison with most of the inane scribblings found in this thread your thoughtful response is well constructed, relevant to the question and helpful.

I wish to assure you that I have no continuing bias against foreigners (well, the English maybe, but that is a different story) and a considered and immaculately rendered post like this puts to shame those to whom English *is* their first language but who are lazy in their use of it.

I am delighted that you have felt able to contribute and I hope that you will forgive me if you felt anything I said was personal to you. I will continue to be frustrated by those avatars inworld who do not describe their languages accurately if at all (another bugbear of mine) but I assure you that I will take any further postings you make in the Forums very seriously.

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Skell Dagger
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08-10-2008 07:07
From: Pserendipity Daniels
I can't remember who said it but "an emotional argument knows of no refutation". By definition, I have no argument against someone who denies logic.
So your wife always wins? Good for her.

As to the rest of this whole pedantic, persnickety, piffling thread, I am done. I don't know when you changed, Pep. On the 'undead thread' for days you were fun to have around, you kept it going, you had a laugh and contributed some fine things. And then one day you just turned into a Grumpy Old Man, firing off low and rude verbiage at newbies who just wanted help. They would enter this forum with a question, possibly about something that was worrying them, and your reply would be some kind of cheap shot about not bothering to answer unless they could bother to phrase their question correctly.

I find myself wondering two things: were you only tolerating our grammatical incorrectness and silliness, finally snapping when one too many newbies went a step too far; or were you lulling us all into that proverbial false sense of security before you unleashed the Grumpy Old Man in you? Either way, you once came across as a genial chap that I actually quite liked and exchanged a few humorous comments with, but when I read the 'new you' comments I find them distasteful, overbearing and rude. I won't be reading any more of them.

Good day to you, Pep. It was nice knowing the old you, but the real you is not someone I want to know at all.
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Brann Georgia
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08-10-2008 07:12
From: Blyss Burton
He was hell bent on accusing Brann - - in fact blackmailed me - - saying that if I did not turn over my main - - he would destroy Brann in the forum - - and it would be my fault.


:eek: :eek: :eek:
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Pserendipity Daniels
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08-10-2008 07:15
From: Brann Georgia
Boy, I'm glad that peppy muted me so that I don't need to respond to him about his post.

Heed the lesson in Backhanded Apology 101:

- Do so only as damage control after 10 pages of flaming (he was obviously online enough to spar with Penny)
- Insert it into a reply to someone else's post
- Blame the whole thing on the offended party's mental state
- Don't actually admit to anything but blame other people's ability to read
- Insert a humorous anecdote about your wife's shortcomings and the hot date you had last night.
- Then suggest the whole thing was just a joke

Please let him know that an apology, backhanded or not, isn't necessary. I wasn't the only person implicated in the OP. As my previous post stated, it's been forgiven because I think he just can't help acting the way he does, making such a thing meaningless, and mostly because forgiveness feels pretty good :)

If he truly felt that he was out of line he would have this entire pointless, if entertaining, thread removed instead enjoying the verbal fencing match it provides for him. (Although, after Blyss' last post, I'm sure he's PMing every moderator he can find)

Pep isn't going to lay off abusing others for their "cultural inadequacies" (or words to that effect - I cannot be bothered to review his more offensive posts) or failure to present their posts in proper essay form. His attempts to discredit those who oppose him isnt' going to stop people from voicing their disapproval of his practices.

Please also point out to him that his usage of the comma is atrocious and requires serious review.


I muted you, not "ignored" you Brann.

We obviously don't agree on a lot of things, commas included. That is fine. It is the way of the world. My apology was sincere, and you are at liberty to accept it or not. Thank you for your forgivenness for any wrongs you consider I may have committed. I would now be more than happy to have this thread removed if you (and a consensus) think it would be beneficial.

As far as Blyss is concerned, those who know or figure out whose alt she actually is will now have a pretty good idea why she REALLY initiated the contact - and it was not to dress up in a schoolgirl's uniform for me as she suggested in the email. I won't be running to any moderators. I have no regard for what she says at all.
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Pserendipity Daniels
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08-10-2008 07:17
From: Skell Dagger
So your wife always wins? Good for her.

As to the rest of this whole pedantic, persnickety, piffling thread, I am done. I don't know when you changed, Pep. On the 'undead thread' for days you were fun to have around, you kept it going, you had a laugh and contributed some fine things. And then one day you just turned into a Grumpy Old Man, firing off low and rude verbiage at newbies who just wanted help. They would enter this forum with a question, possibly about something that was worrying them, and your reply would be some kind of cheap shot about not bothering to answer unless they could bother to phrase their question correctly.

I find myself wondering two things: were you only tolerating our grammatical incorrectness and silliness, finally snapping when one too many newbies went a step too far; or were you lulling us all into that proverbial false sense of security before you unleashed the Grumpy Old Man in you? Either way, you once came across as a genial chap that I actually quite liked and exchanged a few humorous comments with, but when I read the 'new you' comments I find them distasteful, overbearing and rude. I won't be reading any more of them.

Good day to you, Pep. It was nice knowing the old you, but the real you is not someone I want to know at all.


My wife wins when I allow her to.

And you have, of course, the option as suggested in this very thread to ignore/mute me. Please feel free to do so.
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08-10-2008 07:20
From: Brann Georgia
Originally Posted by Blyss Burton
He was hell bent on accusing Brann - - in fact blackmailed me - - saying that if I did not turn over my main - - he would destroy Brann in the forum - - and it would be my fault.



:eek: :eek: :eek:



Brann, it will take much more than a bitter unhappy little man like Pep to destroy you. You are loved by most all who know you. :D
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Pserendipity Daniels
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08-10-2008 07:23
Hooray! I now am absolutely sure that I know the identity of the duplicitous coward who approached me. The revelation has amused me considerably in addition to giving me a very satisfactory closure, as I can return to the Undying Thread with complete confidence and a reinforced feeling of comfort. So, thank you for your assistance all those who have helped me and given me their support. I can now move on and I will take the consensus advice to mute and ignore that person and the alt they used.

I shall not be posting any more in this thread. *listens for cheering*
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Brenda Connolly
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08-10-2008 07:33
Jesus Christ on a Pony! What the Hell is the deal here? :confused:

I took Pep to be a bit puzzling, yet amiable sort in the crumudgeonly gadfly mold. his signatures always amused me, and he fell right in with all the silliness. But somethis had gone amiss here, and it isn't pretty.

I've always found the Alt stuation a bit annoying. I don't have one, and I do understand the uses, but it is a system that needs to be reworked somehow. The ability to make throwaway alts has to stop, in my opinion. It can create a climate that fosters the paranoia we see in this thread.

I don't know what "Ruining someone in the Forum" means consequentially, but if it were to be done, Brann is totally capable of doing that herself, without stooping tp such low levels. She's a straight shooter, and would never say or do anything that she would be afraid to attach to her main.

I'm disappointed. Pep was looking like a bit of fresh air in this place. Whatever caused this to happen I hope it gets itsel worked out.
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Blyss Burton
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08-10-2008 07:42
I don't know why you have such a concern for muting the two - - - you are the one that keeps sending threats - - and neither of us ever wants to hear from your ass ever again.

If you got pleasure out of this whole insane attempt at sympathy for yourself - - while insulting people right and left - - your wife included - - then you are sick.

.....and I say that, because in your discussion with me, you said that you would run this thread, and that "you" would finally get the sympathy - - -

I don't see it.
Brann Georgia
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08-10-2008 07:49
From: Pserendipity Daniels
I muted you, not "ignored" you Brann.


Ah, I thought this followed your "differences" philosophy and mean the same thing to you.

After all, why mute me on the grid when our only exchange is taking place over here, in the forum? Oh, could it be because you were insinuating that we did converse in SL?

/me goes off to ponder that
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08-10-2008 07:54
From: Brenda Connolly
Jesus Christ on a Pony! What the Hell is the deal here? :confused:
Indeed.

In Katt's thread, I'd pretty much convinced myself that we need a General Discussion forum. This thread makes me doubt that. There's just no way the official forums should be host to an elaborate drunken role play escapade such as this.

I'd much rather this kind of "stuff" played out in SLU. At least there one could use the appropriate vulgarities to describe it.
Blyss Burton
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08-10-2008 07:57
Brenda - I am not a "throw away" alt - - I've had a life, here, for 2 years. Until Yesterday. I had to change everything up, in regard to his threats. And now - - I will have to be thrown away, most likely. My friends are so mad they can't see straight, and he is darn lucky I will not give them his name.

The only way that I "stooped to a low level" - - was by continuing to participate in this nonsense.
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08-10-2008 07:57
From: Blyss Burton
I don't know why you have such a concern for muting the two - - - you are the one that keeps sending threats - - and neither of us ever wants to hear from your ass ever again.

If you got pleasure out of this whole insane attempt at sympathy for yourself - - while insulting people right and left - - your wife included - - then you are sick.

.....and I say that, because in your discussion with me, you said that you would run this thread, and that "you" would finally get the sympathy - - -

I don't see it.


Ignore the idiot both here and in world. Mute or if you don't want to, log the chat and send on to LL in an AR for harassment. Frankly, muting would save you a lot of headache and it's the easiest way to handle it.

*snorts* He's not getting sympathy. He's getting put on people's ignore list and left to rot. He's unreasonable, emotional and trying to hide it behind the so called logic. If he was using logic, he'd have just done as many of us suggested, mute and go on. So, how is creating all this drama logical?
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Brann Georgia
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08-10-2008 08:00
From: Qie Niangao
There's just no way the official forums should be host to an elaborate drunken role play escapade such as this.


Agreed. I'm out of this one. The whole thread needs to be deep-sixed and it shouldn't take a particularly heavy-handed moderator to do the deed.
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08-10-2008 08:00
From: Blyss Burton
Brenda - I am not a "throw away" alt - - I've had a life, here, for 2 years. Until Yesterday. I had to change everything up, in regard to his threats. And now - - I will have to be thrown away, most likely. My friends are so mad they can't see straight, and he is darn lucky I will not give them his name.

The only way that I "stooped to a low level" - - was by continuing to participate in this nonsense.

I wasn't speaking about you directly, just in general. I wasn't making an accusation towards you at all. I'm sorry if it appeared that way.
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08-10-2008 08:04
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LOL right - edited. I dont edit my posts enough :)

The rest of this thread sounds like children nyaahing eachother. Are we letting too many minors through THAT easily?
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08-10-2008 08:05
From: Qie Niangao
Indeed.

In Katt's thread, I'd pretty much convinced myself that we need a General Discussion forum. This thread makes me doubt that. There's just no way the official forums should be host to an elaborate drunken role play escapade such as this.

I'd much rather this kind of "stuff" played out in SLU. At least there one could use the appropriate vulgarities to describe it.


The problem here is the lack of consistent moderation. Two threads were locked while this one was allowed to become what it has. Even though it should have been locked the moment it started getting personal. And to my shame, I added to it.

*mutters* It's just that people who respond emotionally, cover it up by saying it's 'logical,' and lash out at others who react emotionally as being 'illogical,' tick me off. Gah, I'm trying to defend myself to myself again.

Anyways, I'm declaring IBTL!
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08-10-2008 08:08
Blys, I sent you an in world IM.
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08-10-2008 08:15
No problem, Brenda - - thanks - - I am just frustrated that the whole situation was presented, here - - and presented inaccurately. I don't care to correct all the inaccuracies - - this is not the place. I only popped in, because I could not tolerate his accusations toward Brann - - since the whole point of this thread was to do that. I wish it could be removed entirely.
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08-10-2008 08:17
and now that everyone knows that Blyss is my alt, can we just move along. :p
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