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Carl Metropolitan

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01-27-2008 18:46

I am speechless.

Puppet Shepherd

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01-27-2008 19:02

Someone seriously needs to tell whoever's in charge of advertising this event that advertising in adfarms is not cool. Do they think it's going to be effective? I like RFL and all, but I will not support them in SL if they're supporting adfarms.

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01-27-2008 19:06

That is really sad. Contacting their advertising person is a good idea.

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01-27-2008 19:17

From: Puppet Shepherd

I will not support them in SL if they're supporting adfarms.

I agree. It's not like I'm being greedy. There are many other worthy causes out there. I'll find one that doesn't finance adfarms.

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01-27-2008 19:18

Agreed, it can give the appearance of taking credibility away from relay.
You may want to make sure it was not a unilateral move on the adcutters part to try to look good.

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01-27-2008 19:21

If anyone else would like to contact RFL, I found this weblink with contact information: http://slrfl.org/?page_id=2

I sent a notecard to the contact people with the following text (had to fix a couple of typos, as I sent it off quickly):

It has come to my attention that your organization (or an affiliate) is advertising the 2008 Relay for Life event using ad networks on 16 sq.m. lots. "Ad Farms" are the scourge of mainland, ruining the view for everyone, and the owners of such networks tend to extort nearby landowners who wish to reclaim their view. I am very disappointed to see that Relay for Life has chosen to advertise through this venue, since there are a good size number of people who will not support businesses and organizations that advertise in this fashion.

I ask that you reconsider this advertising tactic, as it tends to engender hostile feelings in a good number of residents, and I would think you would not want your organization associated with the business practices of the "Ad Farmers".

Here is a link to the picture of the advertisement to which I am referring:
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/973/rfladfarmadwa6.png

Thank you for your time.
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01-27-2008 19:22

From: Carl Metropolitan

I am speachless.

I wouldn't be the first time adfarmers used charities or RL businesses without their knowledge to appear legitimate.
Perhaps they offered free advertising for the positve karma "protection" it gains them. And for a charity it's hard to knock back free advertising on a scale like this.
Is the 16m owned by a adfarmer with the land for sale or is it really just a roadside advertising site?

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01-27-2008 19:22

OMG whats next Breast Cancer awareness? Just a sign of the times on sl these days.

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01-27-2008 19:25

Well, if it really isn't RFL that's putting up the ads, at least now they'll know about it.

If anyone wants to see, you can visit Disl 112,190,119. That's my prim land, but I'm giving you my coordinates so you can see it without giving the ad network any traffic. Just turn to the east and look up at the boxes. I probably shouldn't name it here, but it's one of the oldest ad networks in SL. They switch out the pics so it may take a minute to come up.

I REALLY hated to do it, but I clicked on the ads to see if they were legit, so you guys don't have to - it appears that they are really from RFL.

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01-27-2008 20:17

I'm pretty sure RFL put their ad on the ad farm in question because ad farms work. Just as the scourge of RL higways work (bill boards). Effective and generally cheaper than other means of advertising.

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01-27-2008 20:44

I think we can safely assume that ACS didn't approve anything to appear on that network. That would be just what they need, right? -- to have their logo appearing among island con-artists, RL casinos, and sexploitation pornography, thereby making every RFL kiosk suspected of being yet another adfarmer scam.

Which, in a sad way, they will be.

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01-27-2008 21:13

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Phreak Flow

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01-27-2008 21:18

omg ppl buying land and using it the way they want to and not the way you want them to.

omg omg omg

the humanity!

Bradley Bracken

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01-27-2008 21:25

I've sent off my notecard and plan to encourage all my friends to do the same. I do hope this is an oversight on their part somehow. Here's what I sent:

From: someone

It has been brought to my attention that Relay for Life is advertising with A**** N*****. I was directed and located a Relay for Life Advertisement on a small plot on the Disl Sim. I'm very disappointed to see that Relay for Life has chosen to promote themselves via Ad Farms which have become a blight across the landscape in SL.

Ad Farms extort money from nearby landowners by ruining their view and then charge outrageous prices for small parcels of land in expectation that nearby landowners will pay to have their ugly signs removed. It is my hope that this is an oversight on the part of Relay for Life and that they do not want to be associated with this type of organization.

Both of my parents died of cancer. I think Relay for Life and the American Cancer Society are both worthwile organizations. However, at this time I do not plan to participate financially or otherwise in any RFL fundraising. Unless I hear that RFL has changed it's policy I will donate to other worthy organizations and plan to encourage others to do so as well.

I hope you will give this serious consideration and choose to place your advertising dollars elsewhere.

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01-28-2008 03:59

I blogged my feelings here..

http://www.your2ndplace.com/node/882

I don't think it's the RFL's fault. I think it's the fault of the nasty people who convinced them this was an ok way to promote themselves in SL.

Stylee Streeter

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01-28-2008 04:15

Hi Im new here and i think ad space is great!

ive been putting my feelers out and am getting loads of businesses who would love to advertise on the adspace ive been aquiring.

business is booming! whats all the hate about? isnt SL the place of free enterprize?

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01-28-2008 04:21

there is a difference between free enterprise and extortion which is what most most ad lots are all about not to mention the adlots to me should be against the tos because they ruin other people's sl experiences i dont want huge ugly rotating prims next to me where i cant block them without having to use up tons of prims those ad lots are the reason i left mainland

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01-28-2008 04:25

From: Phreak Flow

omg ppl buying land and using it the way they want to and not the way you want them to.

omg omg omg

the humanity!

and its people like you that are helping to ruin the mainland

yes its their land but when they are making others miserable in sl its not fair

even in real life if people have ugly lots and ugly houses the city can make them do something about it

its why there should be zoning laws in sl

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sixteen Hax

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01-28-2008 04:41

Hi Im new here and i think ad space is great!

ive been putting my feelers out and am getting loads of businesses who would love to advertise on the adspace ive been aquiring.

business is booming! whats all the hate about? isnt SL the place of free enterprize?

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01-28-2008 04:50

From: Arua Rotaru

its why there should be zoning laws in sl

No, there shouldn't. What there should be is the tools to be able to not render such garbage in our client. I use the land I have as both residential and commercial.. having to buy land elsewhere WOULD tick me off at LL enough to leave.

Besides, it's just better to have a "I don't wanna see this garbage" option. Then you can screen out builds that you think are ugly, without giving LL more work in the long run.

I agree, though.. I am now considering going with the Susan G Komen's Race for the Cure. I support it too, but I split what I can between the two, so I'd be going purely with it.

*sighs* You know, if they had wanted advertising, I'd have given them a spot in my shop - free. I might not get much traffic, but it's better than dealing with the ad farms.

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01-28-2008 05:01

From: sixteen Hax

Hi Im new here and i think ad space is great!

ive been putting my feelers out and am getting loads of businesses who would love to advertise on the adspace ive been aquiring.

business is booming! whats all the hate about? isnt SL the place of free enterprize?

obvious Troll is obvious

Qie Niangao

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01-28-2008 05:04

*yawn* Dredging up old alts to post here isn't going to win adscum any points. That train left the station long ago. Adfarmers are universally despised--and have gone well out of their way to be despicable--but this isn't about that. It's about how a perfectly good charity is allowing its reputation to be trashed, jeopardizing its ability to raise funds in-world. Legitimate business owners have to think long and hard, now, about whether to allow RFL donation kiosks on their properties, lest they be tainted by the same brush.

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01-28-2008 05:45

From: Peggy Paperdoll

I'm pretty sure RFL put their ad on the ad farm in question because ad farms work. Just as the scourge of RL higways work (bill boards). Effective and generally cheaper than other means of advertising.

Except in this case it will mean many people will refuse to support the charity now unless they change their policy.
It doesnt matter how many newbies with no money click on the advert, what counts is whether it will increase or decrease donations from the people who actually make donations.

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01-28-2008 05:49

From: Peggy Paperdoll

I'm pretty sure RFL put their ad on the ad farm in question because ad farms work. Just as the scourge of RL higways work (bill boards). Effective and generally cheaper than other means of advertising.

Except in this case it will make people refuse to donate.

It doesnt matter how many newbies with no money click on an advert, what matters is how much money is donated from the people who actually make donations.
Since much of the money that is donated comes from the longer term residents and most of them hate adfarms its very bad press for the charity to use them.

sixteen Hax

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01-28-2008 05:58

From: Qie Niangao

*yawn* Dredging up old alts to post here isn't going to win adscum any points. That train left the station long ago. Adfarmers are universally despised--and have gone well out of their way to be despicable--but this isn't about that. It's about how a perfectly good charity is allowing its reputation to be trashed, jeopardizing its ability to raise funds in-world. Legitimate business owners have to think long and hard, now, about whether to allow RFL donation kiosks on their properties, lest they be tainted by the same brush.

yawn to you lot moaning. talk about a drama queen lol

this bit made me laugh the most: It's about how a perfectly good charity is allowing its reputation to be trashed, jeopardizing its ability to raise funds in-world.

lol. as if

anyways yes i am new, and ads seem to be a good source of income on here that are a good source of income to all involved including LL. so i dont need to earn any points by posting on here.

if LL wanted to get rid of them they would have done it years ago no?

Why is Relay for Life Advertising on Adfarms?
Carl Metropolitan Registered User Join date: 7 Jul 2005 Posts: 1,031	01-27-2008 18:46 I am speechless.
Puppet Shepherd New Year, New Tricks Join date: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 725	01-27-2008 19:02 Someone seriously needs to tell whoever's in charge of advertising this event that advertising in adfarms is not cool. Do they think it's going to be effective? I like RFL and all, but I will not support them in SL if they're supporting adfarms. _____________________ Come see my new 1-prim flowers, only $10 each! Lots of other neat stuff to find @ Puppet Art, http://slurl.com/secondlife/Lilypad/200.092/210.338
Nimue Jewell Unabashedly Leggy Join date: 20 Mar 2007 Posts: 1,745	01-27-2008 19:06 That is really sad. Contacting their advertising person is a good idea. _____________________ Prim Pincher: Low Prim Furniture for Home, Garden, & Skybox http://slurl.com/secondlife/Nimue%20Isle/173/155/27
Bradley Bracken Goodbye, Farewell, Amen Join date: 2 Apr 2007 Posts: 3,856	01-27-2008 19:17 From: Puppet Shepherd I will not support them in SL if they're supporting adfarms. I agree. It's not like I'm being greedy. There are many other worthy causes out there. I'll find one that doesn't finance adfarms. _____________________ My interest in SL has simply died. Thanks for all the laughs
Infiniview Merit The 100 Trillionth Cell Join date: 27 Apr 2006 Posts: 845	01-27-2008 19:18 Agreed, it can give the appearance of taking credibility away from relay. You may want to make sure it was not a unilateral move on the adcutters part to try to look good. _____________________ http://slurl.com/secondlife/puea/126/10/60/
Puppet Shepherd New Year, New Tricks Join date: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 725	01-27-2008 19:21 If anyone else would like to contact RFL, I found this weblink with contact information: http://slrfl.org/?page_id=2 I sent a notecard to the contact people with the following text (had to fix a couple of typos, as I sent it off quickly): It has come to my attention that your organization (or an affiliate) is advertising the 2008 Relay for Life event using ad networks on 16 sq.m. lots. "Ad Farms" are the scourge of mainland, ruining the view for everyone, and the owners of such networks tend to extort nearby landowners who wish to reclaim their view. I am very disappointed to see that Relay for Life has chosen to advertise through this venue, since there are a good size number of people who will not support businesses and organizations that advertise in this fashion. I ask that you reconsider this advertising tactic, as it tends to engender hostile feelings in a good number of residents, and I would think you would not want your organization associated with the business practices of the "Ad Farmers". Here is a link to the picture of the advertisement to which I am referring: http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/973/rfladfarmadwa6.png Thank you for your time. Puppet Shepherd _____________________ Come see my new 1-prim flowers, only $10 each! Lots of other neat stuff to find @ Puppet Art, http://slurl.com/secondlife/Lilypad/200.092/210.338
Tegg Bode FrootLoop Roo Overlord Join date: 12 Jan 2007 Posts: 5,707	01-27-2008 19:22 From: Carl Metropolitan I am speachless. I wouldn't be the first time adfarmers used charities or RL businesses without their knowledge to appear legitimate. Perhaps they offered free advertising for the positve karma "protection" it gains them. And for a charity it's hard to knock back free advertising on a scale like this. Is the 16m owned by a adfarmer with the land for sale or is it really just a roadside advertising site? _____________________ Level 38 Builder [Roo Clan] Free Waterside & Roadside Vehicle Rez Platform, Desire (88, 17, 107) Avatars & Roadside Seaview shops and vendorspace for rent, $2.00/prim/week, Desire (175,48,107)
Usagi Musashi UM ™® Join date: 24 Oct 2004 Posts: 6,083	01-27-2008 19:22 OMG whats next Breast Cancer awareness? Just a sign of the times on sl these days.
Puppet Shepherd New Year, New Tricks Join date: 14 Feb 2007 Posts: 725	01-27-2008 19:25 Well, if it really isn't RFL that's putting up the ads, at least now they'll know about it. If anyone wants to see, you can visit Disl 112,190,119. That's my prim land, but I'm giving you my coordinates so you can see it without giving the ad network any traffic. Just turn to the east and look up at the boxes. I probably shouldn't name it here, but it's one of the oldest ad networks in SL. They switch out the pics so it may take a minute to come up. I REALLY hated to do it, but I clicked on the ads to see if they were legit, so you guys don't have to - it appears that they are really from RFL. _____________________ Come see my new 1-prim flowers, only $10 each! Lots of other neat stuff to find @ Puppet Art, http://slurl.com/secondlife/Lilypad/200.092/210.338
Peggy Paperdoll A Brat Join date: 15 Apr 2006 Posts: 4,383	01-27-2008 20:17 I'm pretty sure RFL put their ad on the ad farm in question because ad farms work. Just as the scourge of RL higways work (bill boards). Effective and generally cheaper than other means of advertising.
Qie Niangao Coin-operated Join date: 24 May 2006 Posts: 7,138	01-27-2008 20:44 I think we can safely assume that ACS didn't approve anything to appear on that network. That would be just what they need, right? -- to have their logo appearing among island con-artists, RL casinos, and sexploitation pornography, thereby making every RFL kiosk suspected of being yet another adfarmer scam. Which, in a sad way, they will be.
Usagi Musashi UM ™® Join date: 24 Oct 2004 Posts: 6,083	01-27-2008 21:13 These days nothing is a safe throught..............
Phreak Flow Registered User Join date: 28 Aug 2007 Posts: 35	01-27-2008 21:18 omg ppl buying land and using it the way they want to and not the way you want them to. omg omg omg the humanity!
Bradley Bracken Goodbye, Farewell, Amen Join date: 2 Apr 2007 Posts: 3,856	01-27-2008 21:25 I've sent off my notecard and plan to encourage all my friends to do the same. I do hope this is an oversight on their part somehow. Here's what I sent: From: someone It has been brought to my attention that Relay for Life is advertising with A** N***. I was directed and located a Relay for Life Advertisement on a small plot on the Disl Sim. I'm very disappointed to see that Relay for Life has chosen to promote themselves via Ad Farms which have become a blight across the landscape in SL. Ad Farms extort money from nearby landowners by ruining their view and then charge outrageous prices for small parcels of land in expectation that nearby landowners will pay to have their ugly signs removed. It is my hope that this is an oversight on the part of Relay for Life and that they do not want to be associated with this type of organization. Both of my parents died of cancer. I think Relay for Life and the American Cancer Society are both worthwile organizations. However, at this time I do not plan to participate financially or otherwise in any RFL fundraising. Unless I hear that RFL has changed it's policy I will donate to other worthy organizations and plan to encourage others to do so as well. I hope you will give this serious consideration and choose to place your advertising dollars elsewhere. _____________________ My interest in SL has simply died. Thanks for all the laughs
Sarah Nerd I BUY LAND Join date: 22 Aug 2005 Posts: 796	01-28-2008 03:59 I blogged my feelings here.. http://www.your2ndplace.com/node/882 I don't think it's the RFL's fault. I think it's the fault of the nasty people who convinced them this was an ok way to promote themselves in SL.
Stylee Streeter I am not an adfarmer ok!! Join date: 5 Feb 2007 Posts: 190	01-28-2008 04:15 Hi Im new here and i think ad space is great! ive been putting my feelers out and am getting loads of businesses who would love to advertise on the adspace ive been aquiring. business is booming! whats all the hate about? isnt SL the place of free enterprize?
Arua Rotaru Registered User Join date: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 390	01-28-2008 04:21 there is a difference between free enterprise and extortion which is what most most ad lots are all about not to mention the adlots to me should be against the tos because they ruin other people's sl experiences i dont want huge ugly rotating prims next to me where i cant block them without having to use up tons of prims those ad lots are the reason i left mainland _____________________ Check out my items: http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&MerchantID=72411
Arua Rotaru Registered User Join date: 28 Jun 2007 Posts: 390	01-28-2008 04:25 From: Phreak Flow omg ppl buying land and using it the way they want to and not the way you want them to. omg omg omg the humanity! and its people like you that are helping to ruin the mainland yes its their land but when they are making others miserable in sl its not fair even in real life if people have ugly lots and ugly houses the city can make them do something about it its why there should be zoning laws in sl _____________________ Check out my items: http://www.slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&MerchantID=72411
sixteen Hax Registered User Join date: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 13	01-28-2008 04:41 Hi Im new here and i think ad space is great! ive been putting my feelers out and am getting loads of businesses who would love to advertise on the adspace ive been aquiring. business is booming! whats all the hate about? isnt SL the place of free enterprize?
Raudf Fox (ra-ow-th) Join date: 25 Feb 2005 Posts: 5,119	01-28-2008 04:50 From: Arua Rotaru its why there should be zoning laws in sl No, there shouldn't. What there should be is the tools to be able to not render such garbage in our client. I use the land I have as both residential and commercial.. having to buy land elsewhere WOULD tick me off at LL enough to leave. Besides, it's just better to have a "I don't wanna see this garbage" option. Then you can screen out builds that you think are ugly, without giving LL more work in the long run. I agree, though.. I am now considering going with the Susan G Komen's Race for the Cure. I support it too, but I split what I can between the two, so I'd be going purely with it. sighs You know, if they had wanted advertising, I'd have given them a spot in my shop - free. I might not get much traffic, but it's better than dealing with the ad farms. _____________________ DiamonX Studios, the place of the Victorian Times series of gowns and dresses - Located at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Fushida/224/176 Want more attachment points for your avatar's wearing pleasure? Then please vote for https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1065?
Sarah Nerd I BUY LAND Join date: 22 Aug 2005 Posts: 796	01-28-2008 05:01 From: sixteen Hax Hi Im new here and i think ad space is great! ive been putting my feelers out and am getting loads of businesses who would love to advertise on the adspace ive been aquiring. business is booming! whats all the hate about? isnt SL the place of free enterprize? obvious Troll is obvious
Qie Niangao Coin-operated Join date: 24 May 2006 Posts: 7,138	01-28-2008 05:04 yawn Dredging up old alts to post here isn't going to win adscum any points. That train left the station long ago. Adfarmers are universally despised--and have gone well out of their way to be despicable--but this isn't about that. It's about how a perfectly good charity is allowing its reputation to be trashed, jeopardizing its ability to raise funds in-world. Legitimate business owners have to think long and hard, now, about whether to allow RFL donation kiosks on their properties, lest they be tainted by the same brush.
Cortex Draper Registered User Join date: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 406	01-28-2008 05:45 From: Peggy Paperdoll I'm pretty sure RFL put their ad on the ad farm in question because ad farms work. Just as the scourge of RL higways work (bill boards). Effective and generally cheaper than other means of advertising. Except in this case it will mean many people will refuse to support the charity now unless they change their policy. It doesnt matter how many newbies with no money click on the advert, what counts is whether it will increase or decrease donations from the people who actually make donations.
Cortex Draper Registered User Join date: 23 Aug 2005 Posts: 406	01-28-2008 05:49 From: Peggy Paperdoll I'm pretty sure RFL put their ad on the ad farm in question because ad farms work. Just as the scourge of RL higways work (bill boards). Effective and generally cheaper than other means of advertising. Except in this case it will make people refuse to donate. It doesnt matter how many newbies with no money click on an advert, what matters is how much money is donated from the people who actually make donations. Since much of the money that is donated comes from the longer term residents and most of them hate adfarms its very bad press for the charity to use them.
sixteen Hax Registered User Join date: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 13	01-28-2008 05:58 From: Qie Niangao yawn Dredging up old alts to post here isn't going to win adscum any points. That train left the station long ago. Adfarmers are universally despised--and have gone well out of their way to be despicable--but this isn't about that. It's about how a perfectly good charity is allowing its reputation to be trashed, jeopardizing its ability to raise funds in-world. Legitimate business owners have to think long and hard, now, about whether to allow RFL donation kiosks on their properties, lest they be tainted by the same brush. yawn to you lot moaning. talk about a drama queen lol this bit made me laugh the most: It's about how a perfectly good charity is allowing its reputation to be trashed, jeopardizing its ability to raise funds in-world. lol. as if anyways yes i am new, and ads seem to be a good source of income on here that are a good source of income to all involved including LL. so i dont need to earn any points by posting on here. if LL wanted to get rid of them they would have done it years ago no?

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