Why so many whorish types?

feigning boredom is also an old forum trick but I'll let you off cos it was a bit of a cheap stunt.

@Swan and kokoro - sorry if I caused any offence guys - I'm not really a baddie

You're right, that is what you're expected to do. And I'm down with that. I'm not a libertarian on RL economic issues (I don't think it would work) but I do tend toward the libertarian position on social issues; that is, people are permitted to do anything that does not cause demonstrable harm to others. Another person's nudity does not harm you (except perhaps for your moral sensibilities), therefore it should be permitted.

In RL, it can get tricky... not with nudity, which presents no harm except possibly in food-selling venues (think fecal contamination), but with some other things like smoking. Another person's smoking DOES cause me harm -- by causing possible health damage (exactly how much is a matter of scientific debate, but let's save that for a venue other than the SL forums!) and by imposing monetary costs on me (increased cleaning bills).

I suppose it can get tricky here in SL too. Personal nudity is one thing, but ad farms are another...

Actually...wasn't bored (or even trying to fake it)...honestly wanted to know if there was a follow up.

...overall, I do see your point in that people will react with what they've had to associate appearances with in their lives...however, I will argue that it applies to RL, but does not directly translate into SL...

Some of the most excruciating experiences I've had in SL have come wrapped in very pretty packages...some of the more illuminating one's have come from people who's AV's were anything but thought-provoking (well, intellectually thought provoking...there were certainly thoughts being provoked, but they were far, far from intellectual - and yet, I've had intelligent, deep, well thought out conversations with people who's naked AV's were dancing away for all the world to see)

One thing (for me) that I had to un-learn in SL is that appearances matter.
They don't.
In fact, in SL, I'm of the firm opinion that appearances are entirely inaccurate and mercurial...and it allows some people to do and be what they really feel they want.

So, the OP getting all bent out of shape at a naked AV?
Well, I assume everyone I meet in SL is over 18, so I find nothing wrong with anyone running around naked or whatever anywhere in SL...technically, even on the PG sims.

You are behaving in a normal and accepted way for the place where you are, and somebody is bothering you about it. I think you could AR that; it's harassment, and that's against the Community Standards, whereas your behavior is NOT against the Standards if done in an appropriate place. Don't expect any immediate action though; for relatively minor offenses like harassment, it takes a documentable pattern of offensive behavior by a resident before LL will act -- well, maybe not if somebody actually is crazy enough to act offensively to somebody named Linden! More serious offenses such as underage avatars or crashing the grid are acted on more quickly.

Well you've been here a while Joseph, so your perception has adjusted. But new folk come to SL all the time - carrying their RL perceptions with them. Additonally theres the question of how the real world percieves SL - with the pervasiveness of sexual imagery and naked AV's wandering around it's quite conceivable the outside world might get the wrong idea - perhaps thats a topic for another debate.

But thats slightly off the point - the OP was certainly trolling - but Swans reaction was that female AVs should be able to walk around wearing nothing but high heels and a smile without their lack of attire being regarded as sexually provocative. So why aren't the guys afforded the same considerations? What is it about the male form that is so disgusting? If a guy wants to wander around with his prim held high shouldnt he be able to do so without being immediately labelled a perv or a griefer?

Or to put a finer point on it - why should female AVs expect to be treated differently?

Some good points!

For new folk to SL? Well...I personally feel there is a mentality that thrives in SL, some mentalities that simply survive, and unfortunately, some that simply cannot accept a virtual world that is not a mirror image of the real world.
Those mentalities are also those that will likely remain outside of SL, and look at it with a skeptical eye at best...Second Life will always be something to ridicule and admonish for them.

As for walking around in all one's glory? Males or females, is all fine by me...I stand by my assertion that we're all adults here (or SHOULD all be adults...I do understand that some underage people slip into SL and interact, however, I've yet to encounter any of them myself...that I know of...and then the question is: where are their parents???? ...but that's another discussion as well).

...and it almost sounds like you're agreeing with Swan that males are fine without clothing either...which I do agree with as well...

I just wish that male AV's came properly equipped to begin with, in a flaccid state, so they would not look like they were trying to tell time on a sunny day when they walk around...

I just built The Reichstag for a client. People are so uneductaed and media fed..never being weaned to learn on their own that the client had complaints about the "name".

A RL building..named the Reichstag.. burnt after the war..redesigned and modernised. Quite a lovely build now....a part of this earths history..built a full century before it was maintained by the Govt that made than name so infamous.

And he was afraid to name it the Reichstag Club.

I feel that peoples inability to accept someones idea or "Take" on a look or what to wear alot of times might simply be lack of education...which breeds fear..which breeds hatred.

~Lana Tomba

Which leads to the dark side... hmmmm yeeesss! Beware the dark side you must!!

When not to wear gold lame'

Hi Isa,

Ya I cam around and look at folks who aren't nearby; I'm an avid people watcher even in RL so I enjoy checking people out - I like to read profiles too. I've found some amazing places to visit and shop doing that.

I've seen all kinds of Avi's that would be considered 'unusual' or whatever and no, I don't think anyone should change anything if they don't want to.

I though your assistant was Dyrssen. She was the one who commented soon afterwards about what you meant.

Oh, when you say my comments as being "negative," what you really mean is comments I make which don't agree with the majority here. Of course you do. Sort of what Lane mentioned before about what happens to those who don't agree with the majority, the core in these forums.

As far as understanding what I read, trust me I can read you as well as many here loud and clear. Isn't this why I don't usually agree with some of you? I think you're capable enough to read between the lines of what I just said.

I have to take a wee bit of issue with this Lana.

I agree that lack of education is sometimes an issue. However there are plenty of well read, educated people (I am one of them) who know the history/background of a particular symbol, place, building or whatever, and would still be offended or upset by them. Education or lack thereof is not really a factor IMO.

Many perfectly good symbols that started out as representations of something positive have been adopted and bastardized by groups of people who turned them into ugly symbols of hate and fear. And frankly, the average person, regardless of their level of education, is not going to see one of those symbols and immediately run to check Wikipedia (or whatever) to look up the orginal purpose or meaning of it. Come on, let's be realistic here.

Lack of eduction is not always what breeds fear. History does that plenty fine, and I understand this business owner's hesitation in naming a building something that would probably offend potential customers. Just because something is part of our "earth's history" as you put it, doesn't mean it's something to be celebrated.

my 2 cents. = )

Thank you Solanghe,

I really was curious. I haven't people watched while shopping in SL - I'll check out profiles next time, good idea.

As for naked avs, male or female, I'm usually in my own little bubble so I haven't noticed any so far. Although I might be a bit surprised, I don't see how that would ever offend me.

I'm sorry, but last time I looked, there was more to the world than 'western'. Also, you are mixing your topics.

You are trying to say that with 100% certain that YOUR perceptions are followed by everyone. I am saying there is no 100%. Please attempt to stay on the topic if that is not too much trouble.

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Recommended Sex Reassignment Surgery



See above.



See above, but the other way around.



Date more strippers.



Except on elderly men.



I recommend against message board psychiatric services.



Sounds like that one went straight to video.



That one too.



This isn't going to involve that gay-porn video of Adolph and a feather duster is it?



Is that the after Labor Day thing?



Are you sure that you are playing the same game as the rest of us?

i dont care if men are nude in front of me but as a lady i wont speak to them if they dont have the courtesy to put their pants on. thats my personal thing. i also dont tp into different parcels buck ass naked. just another courtesy. but i dont have any problem with girls who do it. i probably wont speak to them if they are wearing a very cheap skin. i have my own reasons for how i react to nudity when its around me in sl. but strangely it has nothing to do with me being offended by their naked bodies.

ive been in sl a long time and ive learned over time naked men usually means they wanna hook up. and nudity in men is a sign of desperation and unattractive to me so they are ignored. and im not talking about free sex places, thats a given. whereas a naked women may mean the same thing especially if shes in a newbie skin. but usually if she is very well put together wearing an expensive skin, even if she is naked in public it may not necessarily mean shes trying to hook up at all.

she may be a slave forced into it for humiliation, or any type of bdsm scenerio or a goddess playing a role that just doesnt involve clothing. i can think of many reasons to be nude. and i would probably engage a person like this in convo without being very concerned with their lack of clothing. i am also not offended by the swastika. so whatever point was being made there, its lost on me. im not that reactionary to symbols and i make an effort not to judge a book by its cover as was suggested.

Depending on how naked newbies spoke to me, if they were very respectful and treated me like a lady, i would probably speak to them as well. Second Life is just not a good place to judge people by what they are wearing ever. Honestly. Thats a good lesson for new residents. You miss alot when you hold residents to the same standards you would in rl.

Umm no - not even a little bit

Why so many whorish types?

They're needed to offset the many priggish types.

Nuff said.

Hey, maybe a little harsh there Trout? I think Ricardo was just giving his opinion. Lots of people don't find that kind of piercing attractive ya know. *shrugs*

You must forgive the poor soul. He had no doubt spent several exhaustingly sleepless weeks trying to write up his speech and couldn't wait any longer to cut loose as he did. But it's ok, I'm easy. I understand.

Since Trout mentioned he won't be around this weekend, I'll point out that he DID say the comment was based on more than just that single post.

Oh. Ok, thanks for pointing that out.

I dunno though. Sometimes I feel sorry for old Ric - and a few others I won't mention. Damned if they post, damned if they don't. I guess it's just a problem of over-satuation. I guess I'm not there quite yet. *shrugs*

To try to bring this thread back to it's original subject I have a comment or two. I think that many females are trying to look attractive to the opposite sex by wearing all black trash type clothes. If men like this look then the women are doing a good job based on my observations.

I see no other reason why someone would go out of their their way to make themseves look like a second rate hooker.

It's kind of sad....

Ok Ric, sarcastic much? *rolls eyes*

/me gets out the ruler to spank Ric's...um...hand?

all black?..i thought it was nothing with red stilettos.

~Lana Tomba