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Pserendipity Daniels
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04-20-2009 09:20
Doing profit-motivated things *to* a community (which is what SL is to the residents and even some of the Lindens, I'll bet) is great financial PR. Something which most shareholders can appreciate, I'll also bet. Pep (Do you have the first inkling what real business is about?) _____________________
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Love Hastings
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04-20-2009 09:21
There really is very little LL could do. Having managed call centers for 16 years, you can imagine how many of these type calls come in. The best we could do is offer or connect them to a suicide hotline. Trying to track them down would take an outrageous amount of time, if it's even possible. Well, we don't know if LL did anything in this case, so it's all supposition anyway. But passing along whatever information they have to the police if they can identify a region isn't a ton of work, and it might occasionally make a difference? It could be a name and CC#, and address. That would be enough. Would you call the police if you had that information and a reasonable belief that somebody was going to kill themselves? EDITED: I'm wondering about privacy concerns though. Should LL pass that information along at all? _____________________
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Doodles Ordinary
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04-20-2009 09:26
Would you call the police if you had that information and a reasonable belief that somebody was going to kill themselves? No! Not for some anonymous person on the internet. How could you have a reasonable belief that they was going to kill themselves"? |
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Bradley Bracken
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04-20-2009 09:29
Well, we don't know if LL did anything in this case, so it's all supposition anyway. But passing along whatever information they have to the police if they can identify a region isn't a ton of work, and it might occasionally make a difference? It could be a name and CC#, and address. That would be enough. Would you call the police if you had that information and a reasonable belief that somebody was going to kill themselves? Personally, if I had that much information of course I would call the police, but that isn't necessarily the case here. _____________________
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Bradley Bracken
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04-20-2009 09:36
No! How could you have a reasonable belief that they was going to kill themselves"? How could you have a reasonable belief that they aren't going to kill themselves? I'd rather error on the side of caution. _____________________
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Kaos Jansma
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04-20-2009 10:22
the standard i was taught (as a psych nurse) is if someone says they are going to kill themselves or makes a reference to desiring that, then they are a danger to themselves.
not something to be taken lightly, or spend time supposing about at the very least they are needing attention (not necessarily for bad reasons) at the very most . . . contacting someone in a position of authority when someone is threatening to kill themselves is not a social service - it is what everyone wishes they had done after the fact to me, killing off an av is one thing - stating in a public forum you want to do the same in rl is another |
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Treasure Ballinger
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04-20-2009 10:50
Well, we don't know if LL did anything in this case, so it's all supposition anyway. But passing along whatever information they have to the police if they can identify a region isn't a ton of work, and it might occasionally make a difference? It could be a name and CC#, and address. That would be enough. Would you call the police if you had that information and a reasonable belief that somebody was going to kill themselves? EDITED: I'm wondering about privacy concerns though. Should LL pass that information along at all? Yes, or at the very least the Suicide Prevention Hotline, every state/region has one of those and they can often pinpoint more when your own information may be skimpy, or seem skimpy. Even if you call the SPH in your OWN area they have all the phone numbers and contacts to their counterparts and can still help. |
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Marin Mielziner
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04-20-2009 12:42
Why would LL want to get involved? There's hundreds of people out there submitting posts on internet forums about wanting to kill themselves. There's even forums that specialize in the subject: http://www.enotalone.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=48 Now you've got all those anonymous people to help. If 1000 people post suicide threats and 999 of them are hoaxes, but one is saved, it will have been worth it. Surely saving a life is worth 30 minutes of your time. And LL... if your policy is "to not get involved", you should be ashamed. |
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Marin Mielziner
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04-20-2009 12:52
Knowing this and knowing the hell I've gone through, I would rather error on the side of love rather than being unkind in a response. I'd ask that if you want to point fingers or call names, please just skip this thread and do something elsewhere. Someones life could depend on it. That's a good idea for almost all threads. |
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Marin Mielziner
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04-20-2009 12:57
Sorry Jesse, but you are out of order. This is a "public" forum called Residents Answer(s). Any Resident is entitled to read questions and to post their opinions. You are certainly correct Pep, that any Resident is allowed to post opinions. That doesn't mean that anything you say is the proper, nice, humane thing to say. If you want to be nastily sarcastic to someone who issues a cry for help, go right ahead. Some of us recognize it for what it is. I hope that those of us who do recognize it stick around to offer real aid. |
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Marin Mielziner
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04-20-2009 13:02
There really is very little LL could do. Having managed call centers for 16 years, you can imagine how many of these type calls come in. The best we could do is offer or connect them to a suicide hotline. Trying to track them down would take an outrageous amount of time, if it's even possible. That's better than nothing. Listening to them and reflecting back their concerns and feelings is very helpful as well. Suicidal people DO need professional help though, but we could help a lot by NOT psycho-analyzing, validating the person's feelings (because whether you agree with the person or not, their FEELINGS are valid), letting them know that people, including you, care, and urging them to call a help center. Sarcastic remarks do more harm than good. |
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Ava Velde
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04-20-2009 13:45
I met Cassandra today and we spend time together talking about whats going on. I do totally understand her and I am very very thankful for her posting. It was real, true and open and it was just RIGHT! I am pretty sure here are more than Cassandra having real hard times, thinking about to end it all.
Myself, I have survived a suicide jump from a bridge 3 years ago. I do know how bad it is being LOST and ALL ALONE. But now we are not here to argue - we are here to stick together and the community respond to this posting is very positive. Cassandra got many many IM's from helpful people who really understand her situation - she will respond to everybody she told me. None will be unanswered. If you feel all alone, if you feel LOST there is only one thing that saves your live. Get professional help asap!!! - There is always hope and help! .. |
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Marin Mielziner
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04-20-2009 13:47
It's great that you were there for her Ava. Bless you and people like you.
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Duncan Delicioso
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04-20-2009 13:52
I have read every post in this thread ( a major feat i know) and I felt terrible for Cassandra (Sorry if i spelled your name wrong...). As far as reaching out, this forum and the people in it, have proven to most likely save a life. That is an incredible thing. Real or not, I truly believe she was looking for someone to talk to. I was diagnosed with Clinical depression many years ago and I fight it every day. Not to compare depression with what she is going through, but we all have problems. It's nice to see that alot of people went out of their way to make contact. I will try to make contact tonight when I am in world to show her that there are caring people in SL.
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Pserendipity Daniels
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04-20-2009 14:17
I met Cassandra today and we spend time together talking about whats going on. I do totally understand her and I am very very thankful for her posting. It was real, true and open and it was just RIGHT! I am pretty sure here are more than Cassandra having real hard times, thinking about to end it all. Myself, I have survived a suicide jump from a bridge 3 years ago. I do know how bad it is being LOST and ALL ALONE. But now we are not here to argue - we are here to stick together and the community respond to this posting is very positive. Cassandra got many many IM's from helpful people who really understand her situation - she will respond to everybody she told me. None will be unanswered. If you feel all alone, if you feel LOST there is only one thing that saves your live. Get professional help asap!!! - There is always hope and help!  (Photo of two half-dressed girlies in a sensual embrace deleted).. Pep (wonders when this PR story will hit the national press) PS PMSL that you deleted the photo from *your* post!!! PPS And now you have deleted the source photo so people can't see how "sensitive" you and Cassandra were getting! LMAO _____________________
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Marin Mielziner
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04-20-2009 14:46
Pep, what the hell is wrong with you? There are plenty of other threads for you to troll.
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Ava Velde
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04-20-2009 14:48
And when you are saved it is *ESSENTIAL* to post a hawt photo showing how desperate you are. Pep (wonders when this PR story will hit the national press) Hey "peeper". We are not talking about any PR's - here are some people who KNOW the difference between PR and reality - between a campaign and a silent shout! Pep (wonders when this PD peeper gets hit by a meteor press) |
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Pserendipity Daniels
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04-20-2009 14:49
Pep, what the hell is wrong with you? There are plenty of other threads for you to troll. Pep (To quote Shaggy, "It wasn't me!"  _____________________
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Pserendipity Daniels
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04-20-2009 14:50
Hey "peeper". We are not talking about any PR's - here are some people who KNOW the difference between PR and reality - you dork! (or as revised: - between a campagne and a silent shout!) Pep (wonders when this PD peeper gets hit by a meteor press) Pep (Nice shorts!) ETA What the hell is a "campagne"? _____________________
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Melita Magic
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04-20-2009 19:22
Why are people so stuck up in this game? I've been playing this since November 2008 and most of the people I've met were stuck up snobs or liars. But yet I hear of people falling in love with someone they met in here, or being adopted by someone, becoming best friends. So why haven't I had any of that? I'm an agoraphobe in RL so I was using SL to meet people(it gets lonely being agoraphobic) but I just can't meet anyone that's not a snob or says one thing but they mean something entirely different. I guess I'm just not very likeable or attractive to people. Sorry to hear you ran into a bunch of dorks... Make sure to say hi - go on group activities - ask people for help - comment on their profile - make that extra effort. By 'saying one thing meaning something different' do you mean they say sure let's get together and then they don't? In that case you MIGHT Be coming on a bit strong at first. Try to be fun, and funny, and have a great av. Sadly a lot of first impressions are about superficial things like that, or how entertaining you are. :/ Or go for skills sets instead and try and meet some quiet but interesting nerds that just like to hang out building or making things or scripting. Sorry I didn't read the replies but my answer would've been the same if I had. |
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Malia Writer
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04-20-2009 23:40
I would rather error on the side of love rather than being unkind in a response. The world needs more caring and less poop-flinging. Thanks to those who posted updates, it is very good to hear that Cassandra is responding to people in world. _____________________
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Jesse Barnett
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04-21-2009 04:09
I am sure that there are people who have been reading this thread and may have some concerns about their own well being. Or realize that they might be depressed and just need someone to talk to. It does not matter that you are not contemplating taking any drastic action. Please do not hesitate to pick up the phone book and call one of the hot lines. There are trained people available 24 hours a day that can help and that would also just be glad to listen to you. If you feel uncomfortable in taking that step then look at the resources that people have mentioned here in world and talk to someone. Others do care and no one has to suffer in silence or alone.
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vulva Core
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04-21-2009 04:17
Why are people so stuck up in this game? I've been playing this since November 2008 and most of the people I've met were stuck up snobs or liars. But yet I hear of people falling in love with someone they met in here, or being adopted by someone, becoming best friends. So why haven't I had any of that? I'm an agoraphobe in RL so I was using SL to meet people(it gets lonely being agoraphobic) but I just can't meet anyone that's not a snob or says one thing but they mean something entirely different. I guess I'm just not very likeable or attractive to people. I guess not. |
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HoneyBear Lilliehook
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04-21-2009 04:21
Okay, I think that's everybody. Thread closed. Oh fine, how quickly they forget  Cassandra, I haven't read the rest of the thread, but there is a place in SL called the Garden of Lost Love (and I own it). It is a great place to sit and collect your thoughts. There is also a wonderful man attached to it...yes, a psychologist...who listens and really hears you. He has no ulterior motives other than to help. There is an online indicator in the Garden showing when he's online. I know you have a mistrust, but please consider going to the Garden and contacting him. The link to the Garden is in my profile. _____________________
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Ava Velde
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04-21-2009 04:40
Oh fine, how quickly they forget Cassandra, I haven't read the rest of the thread, but there is a place in SL called the Garden of Lost Love (and I own it). It is a great place to sit and collect your thoughts. There is also a wonderful man attached to it...yes, a psychologist...who listens and really hears you. He has no ulterior motives other than to help. There is an online indicator in the Garden showing when he's online. I know you have a mistrust, but please consider going to the Garden and contacting him. The link to the Garden is in my profile. [/QUOT] I am speechless about this posting! |