child avatars - where to report.

I was in a store, when a child avatar walked past.
I looked at her profile and she belongs to a group called under 12 girls only
and young nudist
Where do i report this please.

It would be a standard abuse report, for age. If there was something to report.

Bear in mind, however, that simply because someone is wearing a child avatar does not necessarily mean that the player of the avatar is a child as well. Likewise, Linden Lab usually only acts on ARs against child avatars if you spot them acting in a broadly offensive manner -- those groups are likely not enough.

Of course, one need not report this at all, assuming that all you did was happen across another avatar who was not doing anything untoward.

See also my sig line, below.

Mari
(Who would have much more to say here... but it's past her bedtime. Ni ni!)

ya know, when I was 12 I had a friend who's whole family was nudists... nothing wrong with it. granted I like clothes, but being nude is not the same as engaging in activities that are considered 'adult'... I wouldn't worry about it, and I'd reccommend not equating nudity with sex or reading to much into it w/o actually seeing something against TOS.

*Takes notes.... Potential new groups to join....* (^_^)

What are you reporting? She is in violation of no Terms of Service or Community Standards.

It might mean female nude avatars under 12 meters high!

Thank you for the report. We'll take it from here.

(Now, where did we leave that little ol' lady rent-a-cop?)

There's nothing to report.

You don't. She wasn't having sex, she isn't in a group that even implies that she does have sex. Stop being a vigilante and mind your own business.

There is no rule prohibiting people who have avatars under a certain apparent age from associating in a NON-SEXUAL manner.

There is nothing prohibiting nudity for children, provided they aren't having sex.

There is also nothing prohibiting someone from having a chaste child avatar and a sexually active adult form, in the same account. So the fact that they are part of a sexually related group doesn't mean squat.

Now, if she was part of "Kiddie Sluts", "Daddy's toyz", (both names I merely made up as examples) or some other group that implied she WAS sexually active AS A CHILD, you might have probable cause to SUSPECT that she is violating the rules and having sex as a child avatar. But only a suspicion.

If you witnessed her actually HAVING sex as a child avatar, then by all means file an abuse report against her. Anything less, and you're just trying to accuse her of crimes based only on your suspicions that she MIGHT be doing bad things.

This is a very good point and one that never occured to me.

Caz, your two contributory factors seem to be someone using a child avatar and some suspiciously sounding groups. The child avatar is a total non-starter for an AR.
Some groups are open membership. Some get spammed to visitors of particular sims. They are not indicative of an active role. One of my alts has two very controversial sounding groups. One does nothing whatsoever and the other merely hold an occasion PG photo competition.

Public spirit is one thing but I assume this person never even spoke to you.

Thank you, Bilbo. If I sound rather defensive on this matter, it is because my own avatar is a good case in point for the part of my post that you quoted. Ceera is usually seen in an adult form, and in her adult form she is sexually active, and belongs to several sexually-related groups. But as a shapeshifter, she also has a chaste child form, that she uses to play in a completely non-sexual manner with other friends who have child avatars. You'll NEVER catch my child form in a sexual situation. I strictly obey the rules regarding such behavior when in that form. Yet if the original poster encountered my child form, he'd apparently feel justified in trying to report me for merely existing.

Yeah I can understand how unnerving it would be to see a child AV, check the profile and see a list of sexually-orientated groups though. I enjoy interacting with kids, but I'd give that one a hell of a wide berth. In fact, I'd probably tp out straight away.

Until this thread, I would not have considred that the person could have two different AVs. I think if it was me I'd hide all those groups from public view when in child form.

You could argue that it's wrong of you to have to modify how you present yourself just to save my discomfort, and if you feel that way it's cool. Just my thoughts.

ZOMG!! I remember that thread! (^_^)

Ceera is a shapeshifter, and has 56 completely different avatar forms (I just counted them, but may have missed a few). That's not counting variations in makeup or clothing. That is 56 different avatar types, like male and female Humans, male and female anthro foxes (by at least half a dozen different content creators), dragons, dogs, birds... Some are "Tinys". Some are child forms. Some are chibi-furries that are definitely adults, but who happen to be shorter than most Humans.

I'm in 21 different groups. A few of those may have some sexually suggestive titles available to some group members. But 'hiding' them in my profile isn't necessarily a viable option. For example, my land control group for my household is also the main land control group for my store. If I hide it, then it's harder for people who purchase my clothes and furnishings to contact me. But if I split the group into two seperate groups, that adds to an already over-booked group list.

that avatar needs to be reported because it feels good, helping to keep SL a safe and good place for everyone. Isnt it better to remove one potentially offensive individual too much then knowing the person might still be out there offending god knows whom? who could bare that thought, it would be best to remove just about anyone who is even in the least bit suspiscious of being offensive in the future. we cant have such people in SL, where just about anyone is easily offended. people here with their childlike innocense arent able to deal with this stuff on their own and easily get scarred for life, they need to be protected by upright citizens like Caz Catteneo. and if you were reported unjsutified yourself and removed from the game, you shouldnt feel so bad about it since it is for the best interest of the whole community. you might be disapointed about it for a few moments, that is just natural, but very quickly you will realize how much better and safer a place SL has become without you for thousands of players, so it will give you a warm and cozy feeling inside. even if noone gives a damn, at least the player reporting you fels good and isnt that worth all the trouble?

Is there a rule that there can't be under 18 Avatars?
Yes I know under 18s can not or should not join SL I compltely agree with that, and they should join the teenage version of SL.
I saw a young girl avatar the other day, the profile of the owner said they were female and the RL age. Nothing to idecate if in a sexual role, nor was it a sexual area.
Sadly because of what goes on in RL with children being sexually abused I feel we should not have child like avatars in SL. Of course I recall last year the TV reports of sexual abuse in SL by UK Sky News and the subsequent closure by Linden of the area due to sex with child like avatars by avatars who in RL were what was said to be perverts.
So if confirmed that Linden have a rule against child like avatars when we see one we should report. Just like we would if we found an under 18 in with an account. If no rule I suggest you contact Linden with a view to have one.
It is sad the bad guys take our freedom away from us, but that is real life these days.
Love
June

I have friend (26) who hated the grief she got as a woman in SL
so she became a child of 4 and has other friends plus parents.
her own sim with playgrounds etc

BUt no nasty sex stuff - so she violates no rules whatsoever.

I was not so keen on it -but she wants to live out a happier childhood than she experienced in RL and after visiting her I understand. plus she is so damn cute.

Now as a RL chap with RL daughters, I'd kill to protect my family from the perverts by string them from lamposts by their goolies.
No hormones = no offence. see?

I threw a wobbly 2 weeks before the banning when encountering some nasty, nasty stuff in a circus tent and filed an abuse complaint.

However having seen the SL children playing innocently and her guard rabbit that spaces unwanted heavy breathers, I am satisfied that she is ok.
Mind you, I still worry about her, but that's a dad complex of my own.

No, there is no such rule. And if such a rule were made it wouldn't be the bad guys taking our freedom away, it would be people who think their feelings are more important than the feelings of others.

Good grief. I get confused just changing from human to parrot and vice-versa. Honestly, I don't know whether to squawk or talk half the time.

Which introduces another dilemma. My parrot is not particularly young in parrot terms, though she could get into the under 12s group. If she was a member of the nudist group too, would that be deemed broadly offensive?

She's been defeathered?!? Poor thing -- I'd be offended on her behalf!

NO. In fact, when the Lindens ruled that sexual ageplay involving avatars that appeared to be minors was no longer tolerated in SL, they EXPLICITLY made it clear that it was not an offense merely to BE in the form of a child. The offense comes ONLY when that child avatar is used in a sexual situation.

Again, if you actualy WITNESS someone using a child avatar in a sexual manner, or encounter a child avatar that is clearly soliciting someone for sex, that is grounds for an abuse report.

But it is perfectly legal and OK with Linden Lab to have and be seen in a child avatar, as long as you don't engage in sexual situations.

There are places in any major city in the world that Children are not allowed, But that only means we should ban children from those adult areas. It doesn't mean, for example, that no child should be allowed to set foot in London, just because there is a red light district somewhere in the city.

*laughs* You should see my closet in RL...

Some girls collect lots of different outfits, or more shoes than they possibly could need. One girlfriend of mine has, I swear, over 50 pairs of shoes and boots! Ceera collects avatar forms that she finds pleasing to her. I have maybe a dozen forms out of those that I wear at least once a week. My form fluctuates with my mood and the situation. Maybe a chibi-fox girl if I am in a playful mood, or a serious-looking vixen in a formal Kimono if I am roleplaying, or a human woman in jeans and a T-shirt if I am building for a client.

*smiles* And I have a bunch of alts that are just as diverse in form and personalities...

I've known many who do, in fact. Same issue crops up with child avatars with the "Partner" box filled in.



I have a group I'm in, which yes, I've hidden from active view, called "LoveSexy." It is the land group of one of my aunts. This sort of thing is exactly *why* I hid it -- people will see that in my list and go "zOMG! teh 4gep14y sex0r!"



No. There is no such rule. The closest to this is the issue of "age assertion," a whole 'nuther kettle of fish which more refers to asserting a real age than a RP age, but often gets confused.



Why? Those two issues do not relate. Should we not have female avatars because of the amount of rape that happens IRL?



Actually, no. There rules are against *actions,* not *avatars.* May I direct you to this handy page I set up where I enumerate the rules abut child avatars (because the TOS and CS do not spell them out)...

http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Marianne_McCann/Child_Avatars

(OH, and the SkyNews piece was very sensationalized, more so than the German TV one. Jes sayin')

Mari
(Who is now awake, and finds this discussion well in hand!)

In the last blog about this, they started using the word "proximity" so it's now a bit more than "used in a sexual situation."

Maybe not a huge point but there still seems to be people who don't understand the rules.

It is a bit more, but not *much* more.

This was specifically due to the Wonderland scandal, and refers to, for example, having a sexgen bed that looks like a crib and bondage equipment in a nursery -- with a child avatar in proximity of the above in such a way that a *reasonable person* might presume such activities.

This would not include a child avatar with a couple groups walking through a store as illustrated above.

Mari
(who also feels the "proxmity" rule is a huuuge gray area that you can drive a truck though)