Welcome to the Second Life Forums Archive

These forums are CLOSED. Please visit the new forums HERE

Your region for free !!! no fees !!!

Bella Posaner
Just say it how it is FFS
Join date: 8 May 2008
Posts: 615
12-26-2008 17:46
From: Pserendipity Daniels
I'm off to bed now, and thanks for the entertainment on a slow day on TV here, but I will leave you with something to think about.

If TANSTAAFL (not the incorrect TINSTAAFL, which appears to have been conveniently forgotten) is a word, what part of speech is it?

Pep (Don't let it worry you too much; it isn't a word, but an initialism, and therefore can't be an acronym)

Oh yay, have you succeeded in proving how smart you are, I'm assuming that was your objective.
Love Hastings
#66666
Join date: 21 Aug 2007
Posts: 4,094
12-26-2008 17:50
From: Pserendipity Daniels
And further for the record, the OED, nor any other substantive dictionary, fails to recognise TANSTAAFL as a "word", whereas it does recognise laser, aids, and various other correctly identified acronyms.


NATO doesn't appear in the dictionary, yet it's cited by M-W as an acronym.
_____________________
Talarus Luan
Ancient Archaean Dragon
Join date: 18 Mar 2006
Posts: 4,831
12-26-2008 18:44
From: Pserendipity Daniels
So you are now arguing that any sequence of letters (which of course can be pronounced) represents a "word"? How logical!

Pep (In that case: tcfcdwikclj - it must be a "word"; I just coined it)


Nope. Never said any such thing.

Nice try at "coining" your own strawman argument, though. :)
Talarus Luan
Ancient Archaean Dragon
Join date: 18 Mar 2006
Posts: 4,831
12-26-2008 18:55
From: Pserendipity Daniels
I'm off to bed now, and thanks for the entertainment on a slow day on TV here, but I will leave you with something to think about.

If TANSTAAFL (not the incorrect TINSTAAFL, which appears to have been conveniently forgotten) is a word, what part of speech is it?

Pep (Don't let it worry you too much; it isn't a word, but an initialism, and therefore can't be an acronym)


Depends on how you use it. Could be as a noun, adjective, or adverb. Want usage as well? OK...

"It was a clear case of TINSTAAFL."

In this case, it is an aphorism for a state of affairs, and is, thus, a noun.

I think it's still hilarious that you call "TINSTAAFL" incorrect, while the more "popular" version is an incorrect double-negative, using an invalid contraction, nonetheless.

Stellar; just absolutely stellar. :)

..and, no, thank you for the entertainment! I do so enjoy the odd clown show. :D
Talarus Luan
Ancient Archaean Dragon
Join date: 18 Mar 2006
Posts: 4,831
12-26-2008 18:59
From: Bella Posaner
Who cares!


Apparently, Pep does. It seems to be his main focus in life to care about such things. Well, that and "educating" all us "dumb forum posters" about it. :rolleyes:

Amazing what "postgraduate work at (THE) Cambridge" can generate as interest in a person.
SuezanneC Baskerville
Forums Rock!
Join date: 22 Dec 2003
Posts: 14,229
12-26-2008 19:04
Please give it a rest or take it somewhere else.
_____________________
-

So long to these forums, the vBulletin forums that used to be at forums.secondlife.com. I will miss them.

I can be found on the web by searching for "SuezanneC Baskerville", or go to

http://www.google.com/profiles/suezanne

-

http://lindenlab.tribe.net/ created on 11/19/03.

Members: Ben, Catherine, Colin, Cory, Dan, Doug, Jim, Philip, Phoenix, Richard,
Robin, and Ryan

-
Bella Posaner
Just say it how it is FFS
Join date: 8 May 2008
Posts: 615
12-26-2008 19:06
From: Talarus Luan
Apparently, Pep does. It seems to be his main focus in life to care about such things. Well, that and "educating" all us "dumb forum posters" about it. :rolleyes:

Amazing what "postgraduate work at (THE) Cambridge" can generate as interest in a person.


What do you mean, he's clearly smarter than all of us and I thought his main focus in life was to prove that to all us stupid people.
Kaimi Kyomoon
Kah-EE-mee
Join date: 30 Nov 2006
Posts: 5,664
12-26-2008 19:32
From: Pserendipity Daniels
So you are now arguing that any sequence of letters (which of course can be pronounced) represents a "word"? How logical!

Pep (In that case: tcfcdwikclj - it must be a "word"; I just coined it)
I think you're getting the rules for acronyms confused with the ones for scrabble. If the acronym has to be a word found in the dictionary before it can be an acronym why would Merriam-Webster use NATO as an example of an acronym?

NONE OF THE EXAMPLES GIVEN WERE WORDS *BEFORE* THEY WERE ACRONYMS. And all of them were acronyms before they made it into the dictionary.

Main Entry: ac·ro·nym \ˈa-krə-ˌnim\
Function: noun
Etymology: acr- + -onym
Date: 1943

Definition 1:
a word (as NATO, radar, or laser) FORMED from the initial letter or letters of each of the successive parts or major parts of a compound term


Definition 2:
an abbreviation (as FBI)

Definition 3:
initialism
_____________________



Kaimi's Normal Wear

From: 3Ring Binder
i think people are afraid of me or something.
Raudf Fox
(ra-ow-th)
Join date: 25 Feb 2005
Posts: 5,119
12-26-2008 19:34
This thread is STILL around? Geeze, we really need to find better things to do, like torturing Lindens.... IBTL!
_____________________
DiamonX Studios, the place of the Victorian Times series of gowns and dresses - Located at http://slurl.com/secondlife/Fushida/224/176

Want more attachment points for your avatar's wearing pleasure? Then please vote for

https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1065?
Love Hastings
#66666
Join date: 21 Aug 2007
Posts: 4,094
12-26-2008 21:21
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
Please give it a rest or take it somewhere else.


Are you suggesting that this thread should back onto the original topic of your region for free !!! no fees !!!?
_____________________
Somatika Xiao
Cyan Energy Man
Join date: 30 Jun 2006
Posts: 137
12-26-2008 22:28
Woot, IBTL!

Seriously though, this is crazy. Where are all the mods? Do they have a life.. If so this will throw everything we know out the window!

Let me guess, we get a "Free" region then several months down the line you increase the price by 67%? Linden Lab already did that noise, not fooling us again! Plus that makes no sense, it was free so a 67% increase would not matter >.>
_____________________
Peace & Prosperity
Somatika
Love Hastings
#66666
Join date: 21 Aug 2007
Posts: 4,094
12-26-2008 22:30
From: Somatika Xiao
Let me guess, we get a "Free" region then several months down the line you increase the price by 67%? Linden Lab already did that noise, not fooling us again! Plus that makes no sense, it was free so a 67% increase would not matter >.>


Exactly! That's why it will only be a 40% increase.
_____________________
Cristalle Karami
Lady of the House
Join date: 4 Dec 2006
Posts: 6,222
12-26-2008 23:43
Why the hell is this thread still here?

IBTL.
_____________________
Affordable & beautiful apartments & homes starting at 150L/wk! Waterfront homes, 575L/wk & 300 prims!

House of Cristalle low prim prefabs: secondlife://Cristalle/111/60

http://cristalleproperties.info
http://careeningcristalle.blogspot.com - Careening, A SL Sailing Blog
Ee Maculate
Owner of Fourmile Castle
Join date: 11 Jan 2007
Posts: 919
12-26-2008 23:53
I'm having trouble saying "IBTL" as a word... can anyone help me? :p
Rock Vacirca
riches to rags
Join date: 18 Oct 2006
Posts: 1,093
12-27-2008 00:54
From: Somatika Xiao
Woot, IBTL!

... we get a "Free" region then several months down the line you increase the price by 67%?


What is the price if you start with nothing, then increase it by 67%?

Rock
Talarus Luan
Ancient Archaean Dragon
Join date: 18 Mar 2006
Posts: 4,831
12-27-2008 01:14
From: Ee Maculate
I'm having trouble saying "IBTL" as a word... can anyone help me? :p


I suppose you would say it like "subtle". :p
Pserendipity Daniels
Assume sarcasm as default
Join date: 21 Dec 2006
Posts: 8,839
12-27-2008 02:10
From: Pserendipity Daniels
So you are now arguing that any sequence of letters (which of course can be pronounced) represents a "word"? How logical!

Pep (In that case: tcfcdwikclj - it must be a "word"; I just coined it)
From: Talarus Luan
Nope. Never said any such thing.
From: Talarus Luan
a WORD, which means it is a series of SOUNDS that conveys a MEANING
Seems to me you did.

Pep (Oh, and the OED doesn't quote NATO as an acronym, giving examples that are acknowledged as "words", not proper names; I'd prefer it to Merriam Webster as a definitive authority)
_____________________
Hypocrite lecteur, — mon semblable, — mon frère!
Talarus Luan
Ancient Archaean Dragon
Join date: 18 Mar 2006
Posts: 4,831
12-27-2008 02:22
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Seems to me you did.


Well, seems to me that you are, again, quite wrong.

I don't see the word "any" in that quote. You might assume it is implied, but just because *you* do, doesn't make it so.
Pserendipity Daniels
Assume sarcasm as default
Join date: 21 Dec 2006
Posts: 8,839
12-27-2008 02:36
From: Talarus Luan
Depends on how you use it. Could be as a noun, adjective, or adverb. Want usage as well? OK...

"It was a clear case of TINSTAAFL."

In this case, it is an aphorism for a state of affairs, and is, thus, a noun.
I have looked around a little and I can't find a single instance of an aphorism that is a single word, which suggests your logical chain is in error - or perhaps you have coined a further new and incorrect definition. Rather, you would have been better advised to claim that it was an exclamation, in which case you might also claim that the complete pantheon of Batman and Robin's comic ejaculations (each one being being "a series of SOUNDS that conveys a MEANING";) should also be considered as "words".

From: Talarus Luan
I think it's still hilarious that you call "TINSTAAFL" incorrect, while the more "popular" version is an incorrect double-negative, using an invalid contraction, nonetheless.Stellar; just absolutely stellar. :)

..and, no, thank you for the entertainment! I do so enjoy the odd clown show. :D
You are probably the only person reading this thread that still considers the "correct" version of TANSTAAFL worth arguing for. Give it up before you look even more silly.

The apparent ex-colonies' favourite dictionary M-W acknowledges "ain't" as: "common in the habitual speech of the ***less educated***, ain't in senses 1 and 2 is flourishing in ***American English***; my OED deprecates it: "ain’t is non-standard and should not be used in informal or written contexts"; its use in TANSTAAFL highlights the folksy philosophy Heinlein espouses - and I would point out that his is a work of science fiction in which he artificially coins other nonsensical futuristic "words" . . .

Pep ( . . . although that is significantly more grounded than fantasising about being a dragon)
_____________________
Hypocrite lecteur, — mon semblable, — mon frère!
Pserendipity Daniels
Assume sarcasm as default
Join date: 21 Dec 2006
Posts: 8,839
12-27-2008 02:39
From: Talarus Luan
Well, seems to me that you are, again, quite wrong.

I don't see the word "any" in that quote. You might assume it is implied, but just because *you* do, doesn't make it so.
It's the way you have used it in your "argument" previously.

Pep (Refuting your own "argument" now? Perhaps you are tired?)
_____________________
Hypocrite lecteur, — mon semblable, — mon frère!
Bella Posaner
Just say it how it is FFS
Join date: 8 May 2008
Posts: 615
12-27-2008 02:44
I really did spend to many days wagging school!
Pserendipity Daniels
Assume sarcasm as default
Join date: 21 Dec 2006
Posts: 8,839
12-27-2008 03:00
From: Bella Posaner
I really did spend to many days wagging school!
"***Too*** many".

Pep (I would hate to disappoint you)
_____________________
Hypocrite lecteur, — mon semblable, — mon frère!
Bella Posaner
Just say it how it is FFS
Join date: 8 May 2008
Posts: 615
12-27-2008 03:17
From: Pserendipity Daniels
"***Too*** many".

Pep (I would hate to disappoint you)


Oh well, guess I was wagging that day, at least I was having fun :)
Pserendipity Daniels
Assume sarcasm as default
Join date: 21 Dec 2006
Posts: 8,839
12-27-2008 03:21
From: Bella Posaner
Oh well, guess I was wagging that day, at least I was having fun :)
And you think I am not?

Pep (A different sort of fun, though)
_____________________
Hypocrite lecteur, — mon semblable, — mon frère!
Phil Deakins
Prim Savers = low prims
Join date: 17 Jan 2007
Posts: 9,537
12-27-2008 04:16
There appears to one very important thing that you miss with your arguments, Pep. The dictionary reflects words that are used and, if a word's useage changes, or new words come into common useage, they must be relected in the dictionary. You argue as though the dictionary must be obeyed, and non-compliance is wrong.

From: Pep
The apparent ex-colonies' favourite dictionary M-W acknowledges "ain't" as: "common in the habitual speech of the ***less educated***, ain't in senses 1 and 2 is flourishing in ***American English***; my OED deprecates it: "ain’t is non-standard and should not be used in informal or written contexts";
That's an example. Your OED can do what the hell it likes with "ain't", but your OED will change it's view if the word becomes more commonly used. Dictionaries spend their time trying to reflect words as they are used, and not in trying to make rules for their use. You seem to be thinking that what the dictionary says is gospel and must be obeyed. That's the wrong way round, Pep.
_____________________
Prim Savers - almost 1000 items of superbly crafted, top quality, very low prim furniture, and all at amazingly low prices.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Seymour/213/120/251/
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 ... 14