Why do men pay for sl sex when there're so many orgy rooms?
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Cherry Czervik
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03-06-2008 11:07
From: Graphicguru Gustav Little do you know James, Claire and I have already been to an orgy room together, not for the sex there, but for the freebies in the next room...lol MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!
How did I DO that? You mean you didn't go there to laugh? Oh it's the funniest thing in SL sometimes. Not for the people who are bumping pixels, for the priceless comments that come out of nowhere, and the truly strange sartorial choices made ... I think my favourite quote in one of these dens of inequity was (of the quotable ones here): "My hands smell of horse bandages". The mind boggles.
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Victorria Paine
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03-06-2008 11:08
From: Phil Deakins I actually thought that you and I were having a sensible discussion. My mistake. No, Phil, but your argument boils down to anecdotalism smeared large as broadly applicable observation. It would be one thing if your view was "this may not be universal, but in my anecdotal experience, this has been my own experience" ... that became projected into "many/most women are like X". If you think that this observation is not sensible, I'm sorry, but I just disagree. |
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03-06-2008 11:08
From: Brenda Connolly Phil, if I were you I would withdraw, irregardless of being right or wrong. No matter what you say right now this has become "The Kobayashi Maru" No win scenario for you. I think both sides now have reached to melting point. No one is coming out on top in this one.
*Or if you can't withdraw, at least mention Hitler.* I have to admit, it is looking 'UGLY'... it is a 'LOSE-LOSE' situation, Brenda is right. For that matter, those of you who are egging him on...Quit! Quit! Quit! As Strife so eloquently put it in a time long ago, and far away...
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Love Hastings
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03-06-2008 11:08
From: Cherry Czervik
Which DOES indeed lead me to consider why I am bothering to post here
Well, I'm glad you popped in. /me waves! |
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Love Hastings
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03-06-2008 11:11
From: Phil Deakins 1. Ihere was nothing vague about the original statement, as someone else pointed out.
2. There was no chance of any sensible person being in any doubt as to what what the original statement meant, after it had been explained by the author of it.
3. In spite of those things, some people have continued to criticise what is clearly their own wrong interpretation. It takes a special kind of thinking to insist that the author meant one thing when he says he meant another, and especially when the original words support what the author said was meant. 1. I disagree. 2. I agree. 3. I'm not contesting what you meant to say. I'm pointing out that what you *did* say was vague enough to be misinterpreted. And that doesn't change because you later clarified. The statement, taking by itself, is still vague and open to interpretation. |
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Talarus Luan
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03-06-2008 11:12
From: Phil Deakins I meant the one or two handfuls of people who posted certain views in each of those threads. So? It only takes 20-25 samples to make a valid statistical population on any one premise. I think we have met that threshold on many topics of import in the past. |
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Lexxi Gynoid
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03-06-2008 11:15
From: Gabriele Graves Here you are talking about females in SL not SL avatars, also avatars do not think by themselves. You are being offensive in my opinion. Just a note: I think Phil is talking about "many, perhaps most" of those using a female avatar, regardless of the gender of the person controlling said female avatar. Instead of talking about real life women using Second Life, regardless of Second Life gender. I could be wrong.
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03-06-2008 11:15
From: Colette Meiji You responded as it were an insult.
You even say you responded in anger.
This is a lame comment. If I were as you say a stirrer who insults a large number of people - there would be a lot more than a handful of people who I argue with,
But really its just a few people. You just happen to be lucky enough to be one. Remind me not to get into an argument with Colette... I would probably lose, or, I would either wind up committing SL suicide or be forced to fight dirty, neither three of which I am prepared to do... Let it rest folks, think of the humanity...oh the humanity!!! Why dosn't everyone kiss and make up??? (not asking you all to kiss and make out)
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Phil Deakins
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03-06-2008 11:16
From: Ann Launay many
–adjective
1. constituting or forming a large number; numerous: many people.
2. noting each one of a large number (usually fol. by a or an): For many a day it rained.
–noun
3. a large or considerable number of persons or things: A good many of the beggars were blind.
most
–adjective, superl. of much or many with more as compar.
1. in the greatest quantity, amount, measure, degree, or number: to win the most votes.
2. in the majority of instances: Most operations are successful.
3. greatest, as in size or extent: the most talent.
–noun
4. the greatest quantity, amount, or degree; the utmost: The most I can hope for is a passing grade.
5. the greatest number or the majority of a class specified: Most of his writing is rubbish.
6. the greatest number: The most this room will seat is 150.
7. the majority of persons: to be more sensitive than most.
8. the most, Slang. the ultimate in something: He's the most. That movie was the most. As you wish. So if I rephrase it to:- A large number/many/numerous women, perhaps the greatest number... will that be better? Is it any different to many, perhaps most/the majority of? I don't think so  |
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Victorria Paine
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03-06-2008 11:18
From: Phil Deakins As you wish. So if I rephrase it to:- A large number/many/numerous women, perhaps the greatest number... will that be better? Is it any different to many, perhaps most/the majority of? I don't think so There is no proof of this. You asked for proff of my anecdotal statements about mens' viewing of online porn, so I ask you to produce non-anecdotal proof of your own assessment, or to qualify it as anecdotal observation. |
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Brenda Connolly
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03-06-2008 11:23
From: Phil Deakins That's true, Brenda. But some things, like the color of the sky, have a lot to do wioth common sense, whereas the temp rezzers and traffic bots discussions were a lot to do with people's desires, and a little to do with the technical side of things. There was a lot of discussion on the effects of temp rezzers on sims, for instance. That's true. I wasn't addressing that instance, as I don't even know what a temp rezzer is *No need to explain*, or even to you specifically. just as a general point.
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Phil Deakins
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03-06-2008 11:23
Alright. Let's try this, Victorria:-
From what I've seen, a large number/many/numerous, perhaps most/the greatest number/the majority of women...
Is that better? I still don't think so. There was nothing wrong with the wording in the original statement. The only thing that was wrong is that some people misunderstood AND chose to insist that their misunderstanding was more accurate than the author's stated meaning. Silly, huh?
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Ann Launay
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03-06-2008 11:25
From: Phil Deakins As you wish. So if I rephrase it to:- A large number/many/numerous women, perhaps the greatest number... will that be better? Is it any different to many, perhaps most/the majority of? I don't think so From: Phil Deakins
See? "many, perhaps most". I don't think that can be be understood as "women as a whole". Because of the "perhaps most" part, the word "many" necessarily means a minority.
So is it majority or minority then? And if your phrasing is always so precise and clear, why are you contradicting yourself now?
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Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
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JamesMichael Morane
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03-06-2008 11:30
From: Madhu Maruti /me takes the can of worms and the can opener away from JamesMichael.
JamesMichael, I hope you are joking about this statement, or that you will acknowledge that to whatever extent it is true about women it is also true about men. Otherwise, it looks to me like you've said something here that is more offensive than just about anything Phil's been criticized for in this thread. And that is saying something indeed. Wasn't trying to be offensive....just saying what I've seen. I didn't mean all attractive women go by looks, and I know attractive men do it too. It's human nature. I was simply saying to Yosef that, yes, attitude/personality is much more important than looks, IF, the other person gets beyond the looks and gives the other person a chance to share their personality. And, Madhu, I'm talking romantically - dating here - not co workers and such. Here's the can of worms back. |
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Victorria Paine
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03-06-2008 11:30
From: Phil Deakins Alright. Let's try this, Victorria:-
From what I've seen, a large number/many/numerous, perhaps most/the greatest number/the majority of women...
Is that better? I still don't think so. There was nothing wrong with the wording in the original statement. The only thing that was wrong is that some people misunderstood AND chose to insist that their misunderstanding was more accurate than the author's stated meaning. Silly, huh? Anytime you are stating something based on your own experience, it is most honest and least inflammatory to state "this may not be universal, but in my own anecdotal experience, I have seen ...". That's unassailable by others (other than by contradictory anecdotal experience, which is a wash) and also unoffensive. When you say many/most women are full of themselves (or even imply it), it will attract a lot of negativity. |
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Colette Meiji
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03-06-2008 11:31
From: Phil Deakins Alright. Let's try this, Victorria:-
From what I've seen, a large number/many/numerous, perhaps most/the greatest number/the majority of women...
Is that better? I still don't think so. There was nothing wrong with the wording in the original statement. The only thing that was wrong is that some people misunderstood AND chose to insist that their misunderstanding was more accurate than the author's stated meaning. Silly, huh? I disagree. I feel it and your initial attempts to qualify it were handled in a clumsy manner - leading to these misunderstandings. Which had a snowball effect to the point it was out of control. You succeeded in making it about *HOW* you said it and less about the point you were initially attempting to make. ----------------------- Which ironically is what you initially did regarding the Original poster - made it less about the point she initially tried to make , and more about how she said it. But I was the one who "insulted" her - by not making assumptions about her original intent. Nor yours, if you go back and read more carefully. Funny that. |
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Phil Deakins
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03-06-2008 11:32
From: Colette Meiji You responded as it were an insult.
You even say you responded in anger. That's right, Colette. People do get angry about things that are not insults, y'know I don't actually get angry about insults, but that's neither here nor there. From: Colette Meiji This is a lame comment. If I were as you say a stirrer who insults a large number of people - there would be a lot more than a handful of people who I argue with,
But really its just a few people. You just happen to be lucky enough to be one. Oh, but you don't know what people think of you. You only know what's thought by those who state their thoughts. You're not only a stirrer, which is what you're doing right now in this thread, you're also very pedantic (that's something I saw in you ages ago), you enjoy mixing it in mild ways, like now, and you naturally throw in little minor insults, just for the sake of it. It's your nature, Colette. You're great for confrontational forums, because you make quiet little posts that have those little barbs in them, but you don't get into the real emotions of the confrontations. You don't know how people see you |
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JamesMichael Morane
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03-06-2008 11:32
From: Graphicguru Gustav Little do you know James, Claire and I have already been to an orgy room together, not for the sex there, but for the freebies in the next room...lol MUHAHAHAHAHAHA!
How did I DO that? I dunno but it was kinda cool. |
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Phil Deakins
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03-06-2008 11:36
From: Ann Launay So is it majority or minority then? And if your phrasing is always so precise and clear, why are you contradicting yourself now? It's a minority, perhaps a majority. And there are no contradictions in the 2 quotes that you posted. |
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Talarus Luan
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03-06-2008 11:36
From: Victorria Paine Anytime you are stating something based on your own experience, it is most honest and least inflammatory to state "this may not be universal, but in my own anecdotal experience, I have seen ...". That's unassailable by others (other than by contradictory anecdotal experience, which is a wash) and also unoffensive. When you say many/most women are full of themselves (or even imply it), it will attract a lot of negativity. I don't think it should be necessary to always qualify an assertion as an opinion, since that is the default state without qualification that it is otherwise, along with supporting evidence. If that were the case, I would say that you should have used it in your assertion there, too, because it is also an opinion about how people should communicate and could be taken as offensive saying that people are not honest if they don't do X. Just sayin', is all. |
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Brenda Connolly
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03-06-2008 11:38
From: Love Hastings Brenda: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irregardlessIn common usage, "regardless" and "irregardless" are used to mean the same thing. But only one is proper English. * I hope I've trumped your Hitler suggestion by going after a spelling/grammar error!  * Well, sometimes I still lapse into Queens English. As opposed to "The Queen's English". As for trumping Hitler, if it will get this thread to go off on any tangent besides the current one, I'm all for it.
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Victorria Paine
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03-06-2008 11:39
From: Talarus Luan I don't think it should be necessary to always qualify an assertion as an opinion, since that is the default state without qualification that it is otherwise, along with supporting evidence. If that were the case, I would say that you should have used it in your assertion there, too, because it is also an opinion about how people should communicate and could be taken as offensive saying that people are not honest if they don't do X. Just sayin', is all. Okay I am sorry for being offensive. |
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Phil Deakins
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03-06-2008 11:40
From: Victorria Paine Anytime you are stating something based on your own experience, it is most honest and least inflammatory to state "this may not be universal, but in my own anecdotal experience, I have seen ...". That's unassailable by others (other than by contradictory anecdotal experience, which is a wash) and also unoffensive. When you say many/most women are full of themselves (or even imply it), it will attract a lot of negativity. I stand by what I wrote, and nobody has yet found any fault with it. The only criticisms have been based on other people's misunderstandings of it. The first time I explained whhat it actually meant was enough. Anyone who continued to criticise after that, has their own agenda. But even so, I explained it time and time again. I'm now thinking that it really did touch plenty of nerves of self-recognition. |
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Colette Meiji
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03-06-2008 11:41
From: Phil Deakins Oh, but you don't know what people think of you. You only know what's thought by those who state their thoughts. You're not only a stirrer, which is what you're doing right now in this thread, you're also very pedantic (that's something I saw in you ages ago), you enjoy mixing it in mild ways, like now, and you naturally throw in little minor insults, just for the sake of it. It's your nature, Colette. You're great for confrontational forums, because you make quiet little posts that have those little barbs in them, but you don't get into the real emotions of the confrontations. You don't know how people see you I never claimed to know how people see me. I only claimed I would have far more "adversaries" if I were as you claimed I am. |
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Talarus Luan
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03-06-2008 11:41
From: Victorria Paine Okay I am sorry for being offensive. Don't need to apologize to me. I wasn't offended. |
