Why do men pay for sl sex when there're so many orgy rooms?
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Phil Deakins
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03-06-2008 10:41
From: Colette Meiji All you did is call me stupid over and over and over.
Which I find laughable.
At least the OP hit me with "bitch" which at least could be accurate from her point of view of my comment about her post.
I think you blew up unnecessarily at Isabeau's comment. Especially since you don't feel you were making generalizations at all. I'm totally amazed that i can still pot at this time. My internet has usually slowed to a near halt by this time of evening. Anyway... As you wish - I wasn't the most insulting in this thread. have it your way, Colette. Perhaps if you'd been on the receiving end of Isabeau's post, you would have seen it differently. It was using my RL family against me to perpetuate the lies. She didn't know that I have daughters, but equally, she didn't know that I haven't. It made me damned angry, and I haven't seen a word of regret about it from her.
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Colette Meiji
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03-06-2008 10:44
From: Phil Deakins As you wish - I wasn't the most insulting in this thread. .
I didnt say you weren't the most insulting in this thread. Its pretty clear you were. You also made the most personal attacks. I just don't think they were very good ones.
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Phil Deakins
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03-06-2008 10:45
From: Victorria Paine You're wrong. Bald assertion? Yes, but so was yours. The difference is that I am right and you are wrong.
Welcome to your world.
Okay, then. "Some" people are guilty of anything under the sun. So, in effect, your statement was banal. I actually thought that you and I were having a sensible discussion. My mistake.
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03-06-2008 10:46
From: JamesMichael Morane Oh come on Yosef.....you can't tell me that a good looking woman will give an average to ugly looking guy any chance at all to even get to know his attitude - usually, at first, it is about looks. /me takes the can of worms and the can opener away from JamesMichael. JamesMichael, I hope you are joking about this statement, or that you will acknowledge that to whatever extent it is true about women it is also true about men. Otherwise, it looks to me like you've said something here that is more offensive than just about anything Phil's been criticized for in this thread. And that is saying something indeed.
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Phil Deakins
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03-06-2008 10:47
From: Colette Meiji I didnt say you weren't the most insulting in this thread. Its pretty clear you were. You also made the most personal attacks.
I just don't think they were very good ones. lol. I must rememver to have them checked for quality with you in future lol.
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Colette Meiji
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03-06-2008 10:48
From: Isabeau Imako I can't help but wonder if Phil has a daughter and if he makes generalizations about her, too.
My mother used to say (still does) "You're just like your father!", and not in a good way. I was (am) so proud... Phil, I simply don't see where this is such a grievous insult. Especially since it is your contention that you haven't been making any generalizations about women.
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03-06-2008 10:49
From: Phil Deakins I actually thought that you and I were having a sensible discussion. My mistake. I thought Victorria Paine did an excellent job of generalizing your thought processes. Perhaps you just misunderstood her? Hehe. It's so hard to resist this thread. Good times!
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Phil Deakins
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03-06-2008 10:50
From: Madhu Maruti Otherwise, it looks to me like you've said something here that is more offensive than just about anything Phil's been criticized for in this thread. And that is saying something indeed. And don't overlook the fact that Phil was criticised for what he *didn't* say.
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Phil Deakins
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03-06-2008 10:51
From: Colette Meiji Phil,
I simply don't see where this is such a grievous insult. Especially since it is your contention that you haven't been making any generalizations about women. That's right, Colette. You don't see. You don't see a lot of things. For instance, you don't see that I never said it was an insult. And you don't see what's in front your eyes about contenions and generalisations. You're just a stirrer, Colette.
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03-06-2008 10:53
From: Phil Deakins And don't overlook the fact that Phil was criticised for what he *didn't* say. Actually, you were criticised for what you didn't *think* you said. There's a difference. And then you were criticised for being completely unwilling to admit that you worded things poorly. And then you were criticised for being insulting and argumentative, flying off the handle more than once, using the word "stupid" repeatedly, not appearing to read or try to understand what others have written to you, not caring about your potential customer base, and of course, being insulting to women even after your corrections have been understood. Did I miss anything?
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Talarus Luan
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03-06-2008 10:55
From: Phil Deakins Considering the small number of regular posters here, some of whom say that they don't even go into SL much any more, as compared to the number of people who use SL, I think it's reasonable not to make radical changes on the strength of one or two handfuls of forum users.  So? Lots of folks who quit still have friends who play and communicate with in other avenues besides SL. They can keep up with what is going on without having to log in. As for "one or two handfuls", I think you are seeing the forums through tunnel vision. I can EASILY count HUNDREDS, of not THOUSANDS of active users (people who have posted here at least once in the last month; I think it is a fair timeframe to be considered "currently active", since LL uses a 60-day window metric themselves). As for making radical changes based on what is said here, I don't think they need to be considering radical changes lightly *at all*. However, that said, I DO think that the input given here in the forums (with a SNR of 1:1 or better) IS valuable to assist in such assessments, because, more often than not, we ARE current players, and we AREN'T radicals, despite our worlds and bile at times.
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Phil Deakins
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03-06-2008 10:56
From: Love Hastings Actually, you were criticised for what you didn't *think* you said. Nope - you are wrong. I'm not going through it again for obtuse people. you are simply wrong. Anyone can can make a mistake and read something into something that isn't there. But only obtuse people can continue to make the mistake after it's been pointed out.
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JamesMichael Morane
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03-06-2008 10:57
From: Graphicguru Gustav Eh hem...
I think I'll invite Claire to go with me to see an orgy room, just to see what all the fuss is about... No Gustav.....don't soil her snowy white innocence!!!
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03-06-2008 10:58
From: Phil Deakins Perhaps if you'd been on the receiving end of Isabeau's post, you would have seen it differently. It was using my RL family against me to perpetuate the lies. She didn't know that I have daughters, but equally, she didn't know that I haven't. It made me damned angry, and I haven't seen a word of regret about it from her. Since I still don't understand how my comment could have been construed as 'using your family against you', I don't see why I would regret my words. Read what you will in my comments, and I'll do the same with yours. Actually, I think I'll just put you on ignore.
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03-06-2008 10:59
From: Phil Deakins It would have helped if you'd found a quote of what I said. here's what I actually said:-
See? "many, perhaps most". I don't think that can be be understood as "women as a whole". Because of the "perhaps most" part, the word "many" necessarily means a minority. "Many, perhaps most" does not mean all. It also does not mean a minority.
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03-06-2008 11:01
From: Phil Deakins Nope - you are wrong. I'm not going through it again for obtuse people. you are simply wrong. Anyone can can make a mistake and read something into something that isn't there. But only obtuse people can continue to make the mistake after it's been pointed out. But I'm not. I, and many others, interpreted your statement in a way that countered what you intended to say. Even after your correction, I can still see how it could be misinterpreted. Your explanation after the fact doesn't change the vagueness of what you wrote.
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03-06-2008 11:01
From: JamesMichael Morane No Gustav.....don't soil her snowy white innocence!!! Little do you know James, Claire and I have already been to an orgy room together, not for the sex there, but for the freebies in the next room...lol MUHAHAHAHAHAHA! From: Graphicguru Gustav Little do you know James, Claire and I have already been to an orgy room together, not for the sex there, but for the freebies in the next room...lol MUHAHAHAHAHAHA! How did I DO that?
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Phil Deakins
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03-06-2008 11:01
From: Talarus Luan As for "one or two handfuls", I think you are seeing the forums through tunnel vision. I can EASILY count HUNDREDS, of not THOUSANDS of active users (people who have posted here at least once in the last month; I think it is a fair timeframe to be considered "currently active", since LL uses a 60-day window metric themselves). I meant the one or two handfuls of people who posted certain views in each of those threads.
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03-06-2008 11:03
Phil, if I were you I would withdraw, irregardless of being right or wrong. No matter what you say right now this has become "The Kobayashi Maru" No win scenario for you. I think both sides now have reached to melting point. No one is coming out on top in this one.
*Or if you can't withdraw, at least mention Hitler.*
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03-06-2008 11:04
LOL
Same old same old.
Whilst I am definitely not getting into this argument, I personally think people who bearly play are only ever going to be subjective by default and the consensus (such as it is) relates to people who post here not people with a busy SL.
Which DOES indeed lead me to consider why I am bothering to post here (no doubt someone will leap on this, but then the more insane posters are on my ignore list anyway, where they can't hook me into their own personal drama life here).
Why do men pay for sex? I still don't understand that one - unless it's for the kick of paying someone and therefore calling all the shots, just like RL can be that way too.
The question I think is more pertinent is why women want to sell themselves. This is not judgemental in any way. Some women get off on prostitution/use fantasy. A significant proportion are men getting off on it though not all.
What I don't get are people who are happy with the poseball hopping "mmmmmm" variety of SL humping. Urgh.
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03-06-2008 11:06
many –adjective 1. constituting or forming a large number; numerous: many people. 2. noting each one of a large number (usually fol. by a or an): For many a day it rained. –noun 3. a large or considerable number of persons or things: A good many of the beggars were blind.
most –adjective, superl. of much or many with more as compar. 1. in the greatest quantity, amount, measure, degree, or number: to win the most votes. 2. in the majority of instances: Most operations are successful. 3. greatest, as in size or extent: the most talent. –noun 4. the greatest quantity, amount, or degree; the utmost: The most I can hope for is a passing grade. 5. the greatest number or the majority of a class specified: Most of his writing is rubbish. 6. the greatest number: The most this room will seat is 150. 7. the majority of persons: to be more sensitive than most. 8. the most, Slang. the ultimate in something: He's the most. That movie was the most.
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03-06-2008 11:07
From: Brenda Connolly Phil, if I were you I would withdraw, irregardless of being right or wrong. No matter what you say right now this has become "The Kobayashi Maru" No win scenario for you. I think both sides now have reached to melting point. No one is coming out on top in this one.
*Or if you can't withdraw, at least mention Hitler.* Brenda: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/irregardlessIn common usage, "regardless" and "irregardless" are used to mean the same thing. But only one is proper English. * I hope I've trumped your Hitler suggestion by going after a spelling/grammar error!  *
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03-06-2008 11:07
From: Phil Deakins That's true, Brenda. But some things, like the color of the sky, have a lot to do wioth common sense, whereas the temp rezzers and traffic bots discussions were a lot to do with people's desires, and a little to do with the technical side of things. There was a lot of discussion on the effects of temp rezzers on sims, for instance. O.o Yes, of course, it was my desire to have sims lag and crash from temp rezzer use, not from the fact that the design of SL causes it. I see.  I ASSURE you, I can hold sway on the technical aspects of WHY they lag and crash sims for as long as you want, sir.
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Colette Meiji
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03-06-2008 11:07
From: Phil Deakins That's right, Colette. You don't see. You don't see a lot of things. For instance, you don't see that I never said it was an insult. And you don't see what's in front your eyes about contenions and generalisations.
You responded as it were an insult. You even say you responded in anger. From: Phil Deakins You're just a stirrer, Colette.
This is a lame comment. If I were as you say a stirrer who insults a large number of people - there would be a lot more than a handful of people who I argue with, But really its just a few people. You just happen to be lucky enough to be one.
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Phil Deakins
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03-06-2008 11:07
From: Love Hastings But I'm not. I, and many others, interpreted your statement in a way that countered what you intended to say. Even after your correction, I can still see how it could be misinterpreted. Your explanation after the fact doesn't change the vagueness of what you wrote. 1. Ihere was nothing vague about the original statement, as someone else pointed out. 2. There was no chance of any sensible person being in any doubt as to what what the original statement meant, after it had been explained by the author of it. 3. In spite of those things, some people have continued to criticise what is clearly their own wrong interpretation. It takes a special kind of thinking to insist that the author meant one thing when he says he meant another, and especially when the original words support what the author said was meant.
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