Skybox Security?

Actually if the airplane is flying low enough you can in most cases as an act of self defense since it is violating airspace laws and could be deemed to be a reasonable threat. Of course in some areas it could also be shot down by local airforce as well. Maybe that is what SL needs. Tightly defined areas of airspace by altitude and corridor with automatic suspension of and banning for repeated offenses since you seem to be so fond of inapplicable RL analogies.
Oh so now what someone chooses to put on their own land is "garbage" because it gets in the way of your idiotic, meaningless, brainless, purposeless, excursions at 2000m above ground? Congratulations you win the Troll To The Tenth Power award.

What you call "garbage" are people's homes, and there is no given "right" to fly through them.

Also, judging by the "garbage" all over the skyscape of SL, most people do not return to retrieve their lost motorcycle (why do those need to be at 1000 feet or higher?), plane, car, helicopter, moped, UPS van...you get the idea. Lol.

Auto return FTW.

I don't know. He seemed to be arguing that since there (apparently) exists a general right to fly unhindered through airspace above land you don't own, this means there's a right to fly through any part of it, whether or not there's anything there, and anything that is there is an obstruction and a piece of "sky junk," which I don't think follows.

Why have building limits up to 4092 if you're not supposed to build anything there in case it gets in the way of air traffic?

Well if I did put up a security system (but again, probably not going to), that's how I would do it. I would look at the size of my skybox and use that to set my protection field. I wouldn't want people IN the skybox, I don't care if you're just near it.

Some people being paranoid doesn't warrant taking away everyone's right to privacy. Residents are more than justified in wanting some degree of privacy.

There are or were limits to how high up you could put objects. Generally you can expect to fly through the public airspace. Land allocation in a simulator is basically for the land portion and prim limits are enforced over your land for non-vehicles with allocations for temporary objects and vehicles. What you all are misunderstanding is that there is Public Airspace in SL, always has been, with regards to the mainland. You all seem to think that all of the airspace above your land is your "protected cylinder"-slice of the simulator. That is not the case, and never has been. You just think that's the case, but it only applies to private sim islands.

But, sure you can use a security device to bypass the mainland's allocations of prims and shared usage. Just pop in my security script (or one of the others out there) and kick, and teleport people because of some misunderstood notion about mainland land. You don't know what you are talking about.

Same argument can be turned around on you, Hank.

Just because LL's physics allow you to fly through that space does not mean you have an absolute "right" there. Or that it supersedes the land owner's.

With security orbs, most owners are not even online while their scripts are booting avatars.

Real life property is mentioned a few times in this thread. Owning land does not imply a monopoly on anything, namely flight paths above or mineral and water rights below.

Real life Radio/TV stations and wireless companies emit electromagnetic radiation in a flux that surrounds our person, homes and property.

Using an aircraft is not against the TOS. Thus in general the skies are (and should be) a shared resource.

He is what you call "radicalized". A lot of fliers are. He might make extreme statements about "sky junk", but I don't think he means you shouldn't build up there, just don't create deliberate hazards you can't see.

Security scripts don't give you any privacy. That's why I posted the link to the privacy zone JIRA. That's what we really need.

No, there aren't. Even back before Havok 4, the "building limit" didn't prevent rezzing objects at any altitude.

Okay, true...there were some limitations, just don't remember which.

I'm up version 1.0.2 on my HR Perfect Security system. Hunter orbs are rezzed and flown up into the air in search of people flying by (from ground they fly up to 4096 and farther in search of anyone and everyone, and you can give them an offset push so they are randomly launched all over the sim, temp on rez of course, small, and invisible), which messages the home security orb and unsits then teleports the agent home regardless of why they are there. Since it's your land for you to do as you see fit, this can only get better.

The problem you are running into is trying to apply real world principles to a virtual world. Everything from physical laws to zoning is different.

While I agree it is rude for someone to just walk into your house it is equally rude to eject them for *gasp* stepping on your property line that adjoins say, a public road. Besides, a good security script would turn itself off if the owner was not on the plot. After all, if you are not online name *one* thing someone else could do that would impact your experience.

Hank, with all due respect, if you're actually releasing this system, you're an idiot.

It's no different than the other systems out there, just easier to get a hold of. Besides, the only way to get LL to care about stopping these types of systems is for them to be enough of a problem. As it stands, they apparently don't care anymore about the public airspace like I remember the Lindens talking about years ago. Right now, you can't fly around with a group or by yourself without being sent home just for using your flying vehicle. Heck, you'll probably crash.

I prefer ban lines (where felt necessary) to orbs. Orbs often give no clue where the warning is emanating from and are often set too low to allow time to escape or reroute.

That said, I also think it's the person who's paying the bills' privilege to set up any system they deem fitting or safe. Perhaps the person with eject set to 10 seconds has been inundated in the past. And they just want some peace.

I should also add I don't use any barrier methods myself (lol) but then I'm not home very long, either. My SL homes are not very homey. I don't do much with them, and they have no 'adult' equipment so they are likely not very attractive to roamers. I think most of those are looking for somewhere to teleport their inamoratas.

It's annoying when I bounce off a neighbor's ban line - and I always seem to forget it's on, and my land surrounds their parcel - but it's not a huge deal, either. She has a 'right' to her slice of heaven too, if that includes a boundary to feel safe behind, then fine w/me.

Oh! Cool story about an orb. Someone had a house above a shop (not in the sky, just on an incline above and to the back of it.) It fit the theme of the sim, which was all shops thus far; so I thought it was another shop. I flew up near it, and the orb bounced me home before I could change direction. (Flew = av flying not in a vehicle.)

Sent them a (I thought) very politely/nicely worded IM what had happened and why, that I apologised, and that I found the few seconds given too quick to do something, and that I hadn't intended to intrude. They replied with an offer to tour their home and also said they'd increase the length on their orb a bit, in future. I thought that was very magnanimous of them!

You are mistaken. It's privately owned. That's the reason why land owners can put stuff up there and it counts against their parcel's prims. Just because it isn't walled in doesn't mean it's not privately owned. There's nothing public about it.

There's only one going nuts and he's in this thread

He drove past nutville several several kilometers ago.

My old RL house had airplanes going over it all the time. If it were actually doable, do you really think nobody would have objected if we had put up a tower that reached above flight level?

Yes, I know I had just reiterated that SL is not the same as RL. But that works both ways. People in RL do not fly around without assistance. They do not have sim crossing issues. They do not fly vehicles without a flight plan.

Aren't we all crazy?

Anyone know how I can get these hunter prims to move higher than 4096m? We gotta protect our private airspace up to 10000m or to infinity if we can!

Sorry, Hank, but you are mistaken. Maybe back in the day, LL expressed such desires or even intentions, although you haven't come up with anything to support that, but it's not been the case since I arrived late in 2006. Your phrase, "protected cylinder" is exactly right, except that it's not cylindrical, of course.

You might have a hankering for public airspace but you certainly haven't got it, and you're extremely unlikely to get it unless the powers that be make such a provision for a certain level or levels. It's time to come out of the dark ages and into the light.

You might want to check on the rules first. Even on plots where I have land privs I have been told to ALWAYS make sure I have cause before doing anything to someone there as they can AR us for griefing. Also, LL tends to be a bit strict about a griefing AR if you actually orbited the person as your first action.

And if the sun or moon goes over our land we will sue it!

They do provide a measure of privacy.

But not the kind of privacy many people believe they afford. That kind of privacy (to not be spied upon) is illusory when using security devices. Argent's JIRA suggestion would afford that kind of privacy and negate the misguided use of security devices for that purpose, but, like many interesting ideas that have merit, it has been ignored by Linden Lab.