Skybox Security?

Also see: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-1043;jsessionid=F74360611E7CC916124C98F4F03D93F0?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels%3Aall-tabpanel

Also see: https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2546


I could do all the research for you, but there is a lot of precedence for public airspace use on the mainland. The public airspace is for the PUBLIC to use for flying and moving from place to place. Using scripting tools to GRIEF others is something you can report to LL. Will the do something about it though is another issue.

What you don't understand is that the allowances was for the vehicle prims and "bird" prims in the sim, and that they are free to use the public airspace above. Just because you have garbage floating up there doesn't give you the right to start orbiting people for using the public airspace. If you did, the airspace over SL would be completely unusable.

There's no need to do all the research for us. What you've found is good enough:- part of a discussion with Philip Linden that contained nothing of relevance, and a couple of jiras, which are just jiras and not decisions made by LL.

What you don't understand is that there is no public airspace, so your arguments fall flat on their faces. That's all you need to know.

Isn't there a difference between having the right to pass through empty airspace, no matter who owns the land underneath, and having the right to pass through anything that may be occupying the particular bit of airspace through which you want to pass at the time?

Then let's make a scorched earth policy. Let's make a sky griefer device, er sorry "security device" do die for...

1. It'll rez temporary "hunters" high up into the sky and will report back anyone who has the audacity to step over your land.
2. It won't care if you are just flying by, or walking near.
3. You won't need to put up ban lines. You can entice people into the false sense of security that your land is free for people to enter
4. No warnings, besides that's just being nice. Why should I be courteous?
5. It'll have your choice of super-fun super-orbit, boring old teleport-agent-home, or you can cage those nefarious airplane/balloon travelers.
6. Maybe even enforce a buffer zone, where we'll go 100m out and kick some avatar's butt just for being near my garbage, er house on the sky.

Continuously rezzed or moving hunters, roaming the skies, pushing people off their vehicles. It'll be fun to see all those airplanes stuck in the sky, and people running screaming from their enjoyment of flying or exploring. It'll be glorious!

I give 10 seconds, if my plot was bigger, I'd give more, up to 30 seconds depending. more than enough time to -walk- through much less fly. Unless you're lingering, then you're fine, just keep moving. And as far as shared resources- anything scripted shares them, including your attachments. Why dont you take any thing scripted off your land and avatar, to not waste 'shared resources.'

I also turn off object rezzing and entry, scripts, fly for anyone not in my group. When you pay half my rent, you can have a say on whats on my land, got it?

Since you're calling security over owned land greifing- Ill try to use your logic : Don't be a greifer and try to mess with my land period and I won't have a legitimate security system- I'd have to cut the warning down to almost nothing rather than actually doing it properly.

As an addendum- there is no public airspace outside of linden set up sims such as sandboxes or vehicle sims. I could do research for you for airfields- but I don't feel like doing that for someone who feels the right to use my land is his. I could block off my land and not use it, as I'm the one paying for it. If you'd like I can set it up on a paid entry so you can rent airspace to fly in.

And do note I'm not as 'young' as 2006- my first account was back in 2005. Hank is just plain wrong in these cases, you pay for your land, not him. In one thread similiar to this (we used to be rife with them), a neighbour actually came onto the thread, without me knowing- and posted what a GOOD neighbour I was.

Almost done with the sky griefer security system. We're gonna shut down the public skies on the mainland once and for all! Muhahahaha...damn kids, get off my lawn!

I can't remember when was the last time someone flew up to my skybox for a look around.

I don't use any kind of security system, though I do keep the minimap up at all times, so I know if someone is around. (Usually if I spot someone, they're either passing through quickly or on the ground. I love it when people spend time on the ground on my land, I get a kick when I see little green v's on there.) It's unusual for many people to be in my sim, other than the other landowners, who have their own fish to fry.

If I'm not there, it doesn't matter to me if someone else is. I did learn to keep my interactive furniture set to group only, back when I used to set it out. Was a bit of a shock the first time I came back to find the poseballs rezzed when I knew I hadn't left them that way! These days, there's next to nothing for anyone to do in my skybox. Hop on the pose stand, I guess, or rez a few boxes of clothes to unpack. ('Sokay, autoreturn will kick 'em back after a bit.)

My only experience with security devices was back when I rented a skybox and had one of Phil's. (I rarely turned it on, and when I did one time, I forgot to turn it off when I invited a friend over. Oops.) If I were going to buy a security orb, that's one I'd look at.

You can get your free copy of the HR Perfect Security at my shop in Grignano. Just search for "HR Perfect Security" inworld.

This object will allow you to teleport home anyone who has the audacity to step foot with their vehicle or just innocently flying by. We all know that our land is our land, and the public airspace is nobody's but our own. Have loads of fun knowing that we are preventing people from using vehicles, all because we say so!

Supports an authorized list of avatars who will not get ejected, automatically spawns hunters that fly around the sim looking for intruders...you'll be saying "Darn kids...get off my lawn!" in no time!

The public airspace is dead and so are air-based vehicles. Long live security!

I don't even think my skybox security orb is on anymore but I would be happy to turn it on, temporarily set it to an obnoxious setting like a 5 second warning just for you so you can come over and AR me to your hearts content just to prove the point that you are wrong and nothing will happen. My land, my rules.

I don't see how this applies to most skyboxes. Mine is 800 meters above ground and many are even higher. Recreational vehicle travel like hot air ballooning really isn't that enjoyable if you cannot see the land below to take in the sights or enjoy a specific build that is above the ground, and most skyboxes are nowhere near such above ground sites. There is nothing interesting around my skybox, just more skyboxes and some builds that look like they have been beaten silly with an ugly stick.

Oh don't worry, I made a skybox security system that is free for everyone, open source, and is designed to be as nasty to people who fly through the skies of the mainland as possible. We're going to bring down the flying community just like you guys want. Community be damned.

If you saw what was around my skybox you would applaud my turning on my security orb to TP people home as a community service. It would be neat if I could set it to TP people to a beautiful build elswewhere. Maybe you can make a security device that does that.

Oh it will...it teleports them to their beautiful home, that's why they set it to home.

As for their vehicle, well it'll be stuck and returned...or maybe lost. Oh well, it was their fault for not mapping out their flight plan across the mainland to avoid my land, right?

And as for their group of friends, they're all going back to their respective home for flying around...enjoying their discussions on their hot air baloons...and thinking they can fly by my house...MY HOUSE!!!...MY LAND!!!...GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!

Hehe, I totally get a kick out of that too. My mini-map is open constantly as well and since I own a store on ground level, I occasionally see people stop by. And they do sometimes fly up to see who's there.


Hank, I think you're just so unwilling to see the other side of this. I didn't set out to start a discussion on whether or not airspace is public, but of course it can't be, not completely. People often work above their stores and they are entitled to at least some degree of privacy. The security system my friend had in the skybox I used to work in gave ample warning to passers-by. Griefing is starting trouble for no reason other than the 'fun' of it, removing someone from PRIVATE land after they got a warning doesn't fall into this category.

Real world airspace isn't 'public' either by the way. You can't just do whatever you want.

You can't get a gun and start shooting down airplanes just because it's over your land in RL. You'd be put in jail. Nor can you tax or prevent someone from flying over your airspace in RL. It's public airspace.

But if you want to push the issue, and destroy the airspace on the mainland then have at it. I've provided a free tool to do so, and so do others for a L$ price. Go ahead and let's tear down the enjoyment of the mainland for everyone. Go for it.

Yes.

I'm in a balloon. I fly over some trees, deliberately staying politely away from houses. I get a message "20 seconds to leave the area". No indication of which area it wants me to leave. I hit reverse, and cam down and look for parcel borders to get an idea of which way to go, but before I've even stopped I'm ejected and frozen. I have to relog. Now tell me the hell what "places that any rational person can see just passing by are private" I trespassed on?

No, the banlines "shine" through alpha walls. You can see them inside your house if you have alpha-textured walls with windows in them, even in the parts of the wall that aren't window, for several meters outside the ban lines.

I don't think Hank is asking for the right to pass through your actual skybox. I've ended up in skyboxes by accident on occasion, sometimes flying, sometimes teleporting (memo: don't set your landing point inside your den of iniquity if you don't want people there), but never because I was trying to intrude.

Not true. Everything over the ban line height is public by default. That's the ONLY REASON there is even a limit to the height of ban lines. At one point LL accidentally set the ban line height up to 768 meters, and immediately took action to restore the public airways.

In addition, even below 50 meters you are not allowed to use ban lines to box a parcel in. If you own all the land around a parcel, you have to provide ground level public access.

Private individuals can't, but countries (who are the end 'owners' of the land) sure as hell can. And there's rules for air traffic. Heights are designated to different types of aircraft. And delta planes here in Belgium for instance can't fly over densely populated areas for safety reasons and noise control.

I'm not saying SL land owners should go nuts, but how is me putting a small protection area around my skybox going to 'ruin' your experience? If you're in any kind of vehicle at decent speed you'll have passed my land by the time you get the warning. Again, I'm not doing anything in my skybox that's particularly private (and like I said I'm probably not gonna put up a security system), but you think anyone should just be able to use a land owner's private house/furniture/bed? That's insane. Now THAT would ruin the experience, if people had no privacy in SL whatsoever. Why would people bother buying a plot of land for a home if anyone can just wander in?

YOU might not pose a problem/privacy invasion, but there are plenty of others who have no qualms about invading someone else's personal space.

Your garbage up at 2000m or whatever causes vehicles to crash into them. No biggie, the vehicle owner just figures out what happens and moves on. Unless they hit a security system and they are teleported home. Now they gotta go retrieve their vehicle, which is probably stuck God know's where or lost. All their friends on the vehicle are gone. They might be able to regroup...travel 100m and...BAM..it happens again. Not such a great experience anymore now is it?

Just everyone use my free security system and we'll see how friendly the public airspace on the mainland becomes after that!

If everyone who used these scripts did no more than that we wouldn't have people going nuts over them.

Though, to be fair, I think most places in RL insist you have a pilot's licence of some sort and demonstrate a degree of competence before you're allowed into the public airspace.

Presumably you don't suggest that we should stop people taking to the air in SL without a pilot's licence, sensible though it may be so to do in RL.

Again... If you get ample warning, where is the issue? My own plot is about the size of a handkerchief. If the timer's set at just 30 seconds, you can be two sims over before then. And my skybox is not 'garbage' by the way. Even if you think people shouldn't care about their privacy, am I supposedly forced to work in my store so I won't bother the one lone passer-by in a vehicle? If you want to have a nice uninterrupted flight, you should go to a roleplay or other specific sim that will allow you to do this, which I've done before.

You're being unreasonable about this. Respect should come both ways. Land owners should not go nuts with security measures, and visitors shouldn't feel entitled to using someone's property.