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How to tell someone they look like a noob?

Graphicguru Gustav
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02-20-2008 07:31
I have 3 alts, and the most I ever spent on any one of them was L$10. If I look hard enough I can find some very good free items for them (and I found some)...but if I want to work on a project and not be harrassed by women hitting on me, (you girls think you are the only ones getting hit on???) I will log in as one of my alts and have it appear with the noob look...does the trick every time. And if I get heckled for looking like a noob, I just smile on the inside, knowing that I am creating content that will help them look as realistic as possible. (and no, I haven't opened my store yet)
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Jethro Stubbs
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02-20-2008 07:32
From: Brann Georgia
What??? all male skins have abs painted on??

/me thinks she needs to see more naked guys in SL....


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Not the Fleur I bought. That's one of the reasons I bought it.
Chris Norse
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02-20-2008 07:37
Jethro, try Tami McCoy for men's hair. I had a hard time finding something that wasn't metrosexual too. She has several good styles that are normal.
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Soji Slade
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02-20-2008 07:38
I have skin from Body Politik, IC, and Made Man (Made Men? MIA). The ears on the Body Politk and the MIA are odd - Body Politik is a different color ear skin than the rest of the skin, while MIA just has odd looking ear skin. Oh, and I have skin from Tete a pied (which is now something else, flowers or something like that).

After many months, I can say that: Most women seem to like my kitty shapes better than any of my human shapes. In human form there appears to be a preference for my skin and shape from Body Politik. And my hair from ETD.

Re: effort: I've been looking since March of 2007.

Oh, and I had a shape at the very beginning that I made that was vaguely similar to the way I looked when I made it in March/April 2007. That shape is not in my inventory any longer, for some reason.
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Kallisti Burns
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02-20-2008 07:39
From: Jethro Stubbs
Not the Fleur I bought. That's one of the reasons I bought it.


I also have that skin and can confirm it is rather nice... works reasonably well with my default "Male model" shape...

And yes Brann, the vast majority of male skins out there are abtastic. I looked for one without for hours before I found the fleur one...
Sweet Primrose
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02-20-2008 07:40
Jethro, I'm not talented enough to make skins, but if you can send me a couple pictures of the hair-style you're looking for, I'll certainly give it a try, if you like. I like challenges. :)

As for the skin, have you tried contacting the skin maker? Some of them are willing to make changes for customers, especially relatively simple matters like different color of facial hair. The maker of my skin, for instance, added a tongue-piercing for me for a small fee.

Broccoli, I admire your consistency, even if I question the validity of your conclusions. And doesn't that shamble give you a backache? :D If you prefer the half-finished inartistic shamble that LL provided to the animations created by your fellow SL citizens (many provided for free!), that's your aesthetic choice. And I still say you're too intelligent to make such a goofy generalization as the one you made earlier. :)
Max Herzog
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02-20-2008 07:40
From: Jethro Stubbs
Just as in RL, the women have many more choices than the men!

And if you don't want muscles, then men have even less choices.


the sliders are your friend. As long as you have a sense of perspective and an appreciation of the human form, you can create any shape you want. There is no obligation to be a musclebound titan whose thighs chafe when walking.

I deliberately set my shape to be slender and lithe. It's quite nice to be different to most of the avatars I see.
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Ann Launay
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02-20-2008 07:44
From: Soji Slade


Didn't put in the effort? I've been looking since March of 2007.


I wasn't addressing you.
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Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
Jethro Stubbs
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02-20-2008 07:53
From: Ann Launay
You're criticizing what might be a perfectly nice skin for someone else because it doesn't suit your particular needs, when you're the one who picked it out...how is that reasonable?

If you don't want to put the effort in, don't bitch about the results. Go back to your default skin if that makes you happy.


If I have a critcism, it's for SL for not having a better skin tone slider. That's it.

Other than that, I have said nothing negative about the Fleur skin itself. It's not Fleurs fault my personality changed with their skin. It would have happened with every other skin I chose. Fleur was the lessor of all the evils.

Yes, it's my fault I didn't not look closely at the facial hair color. Yes it's my fault that I compromised on their version of tan skin. And yes, I am to blame for stating my opinion on my recent experience with male skins.

The fact is, you don't know how many skins I looked at, and how much time I spent looking at them. Why don't you know? Because A.) that wasn't the point of my post and B.) you didn't ask me.

Instead you just erronously assumed that I went to the first store on the first day and bought the first skin I saw. And it won't matter to you if I tell you I spent alot of time browsing SLexchange and Onrez and TPing to those stores to look around.

So criticise me for critquing the process if it make you feel good. But in the end all you've done for me, is prove that beauty is really only skin deep.
MadKitty Aabye
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02-20-2008 07:56
Some folks, sometimes noobs themselves, aren't deterred by the noob look. I got hit on while still on Orientation Island. A shortened version of what the guy said is, "I look for girlfriend here. This avatar is pretty." I answered, "It's the default option," and moved on to the next station to learn how to fly while he struggled to translate that to whatever his native language is.
Soji Slade
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02-20-2008 07:57
From: Ann Launay
I wasn't addressing you.

I am sorry. I did not realize this thread was for only people talking directly with Jethro and Jethro's responses. I will know in the future to not reply in such threads. Thank-you for your help.
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02-20-2008 08:01
From: Soji Slade
I am sorry. I did not realize this thread was for only people talking directly with Jethro and Jethro's responses. I will know in the future to not reply in such threads. Thank-you for your help.


You can pick holes in my posts with my blessing and encouragement though.
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Ann Launay
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02-20-2008 08:02
From: Jethro Stubbs


Instead you just erronously assumed that I went to the first store on the first day and bought the first skin I saw.


Actually, I didn't assume any such thing. But this is the second diatribe I've seen you go off on regarding skins and, I'm sorry, it does sound like you're blaming the skin for not meeting your needs. If you were more or less happy with the default skin you'd tinkered with, I don't understand why you'd go out and buy a new one that you're obviously not happy with.

All I'm saying is, keep looking...explore some other options. And do look at that blog.
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Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
Ann Launay
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02-20-2008 08:03
From: Soji Slade
I am sorry. I did not realize this thread was for only people talking directly with Jethro and Jethro's responses. I will know in the future to not reply in such threads. Thank-you for your help.


Soji, you can respond to anything you want. But you sounded miffed at the 'effort' comment and it was not intended for you.
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Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
Jethro Stubbs
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02-20-2008 08:06
From: Ann Launay
But this is the second diatribe I've seen you go off on regarding skins and, I'm sorry, it does sound like you're blaming the skin for not meeting your needs.


That was a diatribe against skins? Ok, if you say so.
Jethro Stubbs
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02-20-2008 08:08
From: Sweet Primrose
Jethro, I'm not talented enough to make skins, but if you can send me a couple pictures of the hair-style you're looking for, I'll certainly give it a try, if you like. I like challenges. :)

As for the skin, have you tried contacting the skin maker? Some of them are willing to make changes for customers, especially relatively simple matters like different color of facial hair. The maker of my skin, for instance, added a tongue-piercing for me for a small fee.


Thank you for the offer, and good idea on the skin maker.
Ann Launay
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02-20-2008 08:15
From: Jethro Stubbs
That was a diatribe against skins? Ok, if you say so.


Regarding, not against. It's not the same.
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Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
Soji Slade
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02-20-2008 08:17
From: Max Herzog
You can pick holes in my posts with my blessing and encouragement though.

Thank-you, I will attempt to examine and pick holes in your posts.

From: Ann Launay
Soji, you can respond to anything you want. But you sounded miffed at
the 'effort' comment and it was not intended for you.

I'm miffed at all the TPing to hair places, encountering lots of lag, lots of time waiting for things to rez, and then see 80,000 wigs for women and 5 for men. I am done looking for skins and shapes though, at least until someone else mentions a dream to dance with a particular looking person (I now have a Sean Connery that no one thinks looks like Sean Connery and a Matt Damon (Damon is still looking for his dance, though - maybe I should not leap so quickly :)); I am a man though, and I seem to spend more time with my own avatar, so maybe I should get a Jessica Alba or something like that; or just continue as a cat; or pretend I am playing Doom and go to mouselook).

I do not think that I have ever used the word miffed before. Interesting.

Oh, and continuing with the theme of a previous post of mine - the Body Politik shape seems to be preferred by women but that one has a head that requires a lot of adjusting to wigs. That is also somewhat annoying.
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Chris Norse
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02-20-2008 08:21
From: Soji Slade
I now have a Sean Connery that no one thinks looks like Sean Connery and a Matt Damon (Damon is still looking for his dance, though - maybe I should not leap so quickly :)); I



Connery is more of an attitude, an elemental force of nature. As for Damon, well I guess some people like the pretty boys. :D
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Max Herzog
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02-20-2008 08:23
From: Soji Slade
looks like Sean Connery


I'm going to type your name as Shoji Schlade at every conceivable opportunity from now on.
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Libby Russell
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02-20-2008 08:25
From: Broccoli Curry
Who cares what an avatar looks like, really, does it matter?

Yes.

Funny thing was, right after I made my original post I went to see my (RL) stylist, and while waiting in the lobby I noticed a copy of Newsweek opened to a story called "Our Imaginary, Hotter Selves: Avatars might serve therapeutic purposes, helping those with social phobia become more confident."

It was about a psychological study done in Second Life where people were assigned avatars of different levels of attractiveness, how people reacted to them, and how the players' virtual image reflected on their RL behavior. It's actually a fascinating study.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/112825

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Anyone who has ever had a bad hair day, when looking like a latter-day Medusa makes you feel cranky and antisocial and plodding, can sympathize with the Oakland Raiders—and not because the players get helmet hair. The Raiders alternated between mostly black and mostly white uniforms, depending on whether they were playing at home or away. Knowing that appearance affects people's mood and outlook, psychologists wondered whether uniform color influenced the Raiders' aggressiveness. Using data from the 1970s and 1980s, they found that the team racked up way more penalty yards—a measure of aggression—when they wore black than when they wore white, for infractions both minor (encroachment) and major (roughing the kicker). The pattern held even when the scientists took into account different conditions and styles of play at home and away. But while the 1988 finding has become a classic in psychology, the explanation remains controversial. Do referees, because of black's cultural baggage, see black-clad players as meaner and badder than those in, say, baby blue? Or does wearing black make players see themselves as tougher and meaner—and therefore cause them to play that way?

Jeremy Bailenson and Nick Yee of Stanford University had this and other classic studies in mind when they started wondering about the effect of being able to alter one's appearance. They weren't going to study wardrobe choices, however. Their quarry is avatars, digital representations of players in such games as Second Life. "Your physical appearance changes how people treat you," says Bailenson. "But independent of that, when you perceive yourself in a certain way, you act differently." He and Yee call it "the Proteus effect," after the shape-changing Greek god. The effect of appearance on behavior, they find, carries over from the virtual world to the real one, with intriguing consequences.

In one Stanford study, volunteers were assigned avatars who ranged from attractive to plain. It is one of life's inequities that the world sees attractive people as possessing a long list of desirable traits, including honesty, generosity and kindness. Perhaps as a result, people judged attractive are more self-confident than ugly ducklings, and so tend to be extroverted. Using a virtual-reality headset, the volunteers—actually, their avatars—walked across a room to interact with another avatar. Those with attractive avatars got within three feet of the stranger; those with homely ones kept almost six feet away. How much "personal space" one needs is inversely proportional to self-confidence, which having an attractive avatar increases. When the stranger asked the players to "tell me a little about yourself," good-looking avatars revealed more: feeling attractive increases self-esteem and therefore friendliness.

The Proteus effect spilled into the real world. After their virtual-reality session, players were shown photos from an online dating site and asked to pick those who "would be interested in you." Players who had been assigned attractive avatars picked more-attractive candidates than did players (of equal pulchritude in real life) who had been represented as homely avatars. Male players were also asked to enter personal information for an online dating site. In this situation men routinely inflate their height by an average of one inch. But those who had had an attractive avatar told the truth.

Western society sees taller people as more competent and having greater leadership potential than shorter people. The effect of virtual height, too, bleeds into real life, the Stanford scientists find. After their avatar roamed through a virtual world, players took seats in the real world to play a split-the-loot game. Player One proposed ways to divide $100 which Player Two could accept or reject, in which case neither player got anything. People tend to reject unfair offers, even though accepting a lopsided $99/$1 split leaves them objectively better off than walking away in a righteous huff. Players fresh from being a tall avatar showed their cockiness, proposing, on average, $61/$39 splits. People with short avatars averaged offers of $52/$48, Yee and Bailenson reported last year. When it was their turn to weigh an insulting $75/$25 offer, players with tall avatars rejected it 62 percent of the time; those with short avatars stood up for themselves a wimpish 28 percent of the time.

The goal of the research isn't to tell Second Lifers they'll have more virtual friends, money, power and other goodies if they create a hot, young, powerful avatar. Most do so anyway. Instead, avatars might serve therapeutic purposes, helping those with social phobia, say, become more confident and friendly in real life. The work also underlines the power of new media to affect our behavior: players who roamed a virtual world as a KKK-clad avatar felt more aggressive than they did before playing the game, while those whose avatar wore a doctor's coat scored higher on a test of friendliness. It's not clear how long the spillover to the real world lasts. But even if it's only a few hours the potential is impressive: online players spend, on average, 20 hours a week as their avatar.
Jethro Stubbs
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02-20-2008 08:26
From: Ann Launay
Regarding, not against. It's not the same.


Regardless, it still doesn't make it a diatribe.

Diatribe:
a bitter, sharply abusive denunciation, attack, or criticism
A bitter, abusive denunciation
thunderous verbal attack

It was a critque.

Critique:
a criticism or critical comment on some problem, subject, etc.
A critical review or commentary, especially one dealing with works of art or literature.
an essay or article that gives a critical evaluation (as of a book or play)
Max Herzog
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02-20-2008 08:28
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Jethro Stubbs
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02-20-2008 08:33
From: Max Herzog
the sliders are your friend.


And yet they still cannot erase paint on skin.

So the skin selection is important in matching your desired shaped.

If my desire was to make a 300lb avatar, with 99% of the skins on the market, he'd still have painted on abs. Abs on a 300lb man.

Most male av's are more fit than olympians in their prime.

But that's not Jethro. He's not 300lb, but the body fat isn't set to zero either.
Wildefire Walcott
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02-20-2008 08:33
From: Broccoli Curry
Kinda amusing how people seem to think it's wrong when people choose not to spend thousands of L$ on their avatar appearance (even though it's not real) yet it's perfectly fine for them to pretend to have sex with animals (because it's not real).

*shrugs*

I'd certainly much rather have "looking like a noob" permitted than beastiality in SL.

LOL, wow. Do we at least get a tip for handling all your baggage?
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