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Colette Meiji
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02-14-2008 10:12
From: Alice Katayama

Will it matter at all when he turns them green as they will still be the same size and rotating?


The rule didnt seem to exempt green signs lol.
Trout Recreant
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02-14-2008 10:20
From: Sling Trebuchet

The counter-moves by the extortionists is in evidence...


One of the plots not owned by Hax has a stack of 3 ad prims floating on high.
It's NOT on sale
BUT: The land description is
"Wanna get rid of these ads? IM: J**J** F**** - We will swap, sell, or move to suit. We're not extortionists :)"
They will be when they reveal the price!


"Wanna get rid of these ads?" Then do [insert anything]. That's extortion. End of story. If I were on the LL team, that would be all I needed and there go Hax' adfarms.

I don't agree with the hatred towards lawyers in your other post, but I'm in favor of LL just doing the right thing and not worrying to much when the adfarmers scream like stuck Haxes about it. To damn bad for them. We aren't talking about banning ugly builds or ugly people or anything like that, just extortive practices by scumbags. I think LL is capable of drawing the line, and I suspect they will err on drawing the line more conservatively than a lot of us would, given their history of allowing just about anything to go. They don't like to interfere too much in the affairs of the residents, and they are likely to be BURIED in AR's right now, so I suspect they'll pick the most egregious cases and run with those.
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Oryx Tempel
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02-14-2008 10:23
From: Alice Katayama


Will it matter at all when he turns them green as they will still be the same size and rotating?

Yes because he has to eat the tier. *grin* Eventually these ad farmers will start linking smaller plots together and selling them to people who want prims in the sim...
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Tiana Whitfield
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02-14-2008 10:23
From: Colette Meiji
The rule didnt seem to exempt green signs lol.


I'll let ya's know ;)


:)
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Colette Meiji
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02-14-2008 10:26
From: Trout Recreant
"Wanna get rid of these ads?" Then do [insert anything]. That's extortion. End of story.


Quoted for stating the obvious that the adfarmers still won't understand.
Trout Recreant
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02-14-2008 10:37
From: Colette Meiji
Quoted for stating the obvious that the adfarmers still won't understand.


Isn't it surprising that something which is so blatantly obvious to everyone is incomprehensible to them? I see this in RL all the time as well, and it blows my mind. It's like you spend an entire lifetime thinking you only have one arm and on your 70th birthday you realize that you actually had two all along and all these years it never occurred to you to look at your other shoulder to see if there was another arm hanging off of it.

"Before, we were committing acts of extortion through our practices, but not saying we were doing it. Now that it's banned, we'll continue doing it, but we'll add written evidence that we're doing it, so that will make it ok, since it's more blatant now than it was before. Don't worry, though. As long as we claim we aren't doing it after we do it, everything will be ok."

WTF sort of alien logic is that? How could any human being with a brain barely powerful enough to sustain basic life functions like respiration and metabolism think that is a solution? I feel like I'm Diane Fossey living amongst the chimpanzees (or gorillas - I get her mixed up with Jane Goodall, or whomever that was). It's like there's this whole weird culture out there who have an entirely different mental process. I expect that they get together and pick fleas off each other and eat them, or peel bananas with their toes, then throw feces. We should have an adfarmers zoo, where we could put them and study them. Maybe a captive breeding program, now that they are endangered species. Someday, our children will not be able to see adfarmers in the wild. Unlike Bengal tigers and condors, however, in this case, impending extinction is a good thing.

I'm going to go kill one, stuff it and donate it to the SLmithsonian SLInstitute.
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Ciaran Laval
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02-14-2008 10:42
The other part of this turn of events that is interesting is this from the blog:

"We have heard the feedback, read the comments and blogs and so we are making some changes to address it."

Which flies totally in the face of "There's nothing you can do about it" when residents have other grievances. There obviously are cases where something can be done.
Kaimi Kyomoon
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02-14-2008 10:46
From: Trout Recreant
Isn't it surprising that something which is so blatantly obvious to everyone is incomprehensible to them?


qft It really is amazing what people can believe in order to justify to themselves satisfying their own short term desires.
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Macha Morigi
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02-14-2008 10:49
Oh happy day!

*prepares copy-and-pastable AR in Notepad, pulls out her sh--list and sallies forth*
Cherry Czervik
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02-14-2008 10:54
From: Ciaran Laval
The other part of this turn of events that is interesting is this from the blog:

"We have heard the feedback, read the comments and blogs and so we are making some changes to address it."

Which flies totally in the face of "There's nothing you can do about it" when residents have other grievances. There obviously are cases where something can be done.


Oh cheer up Ciaran :)
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Ciaran Laval
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02-14-2008 10:58
From: Katie Singh
Honestly, I don't want stuff next to my house that is there only to cram advertising into my eyeballs. I want a nice area that actually looks like something, if it's residential I want other houses, other people. If it's commercial, I want other businesses.



You can move to estate land where they have zoning and rules about such structures. Until LL introduce zoned mainland, you have to suck it and see and that's the way it should be.
Ciaran Laval
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02-14-2008 10:59
From: Cherry Czervik
Oh cheer up Ciaran :)


That was a cheery comment! I'm fed up of people saying "There's nothing you can do". Well now we have evidence that there is :p
Sling Trebuchet
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02-14-2008 11:08
From: Trout Recreant
"Wanna get rid of these ads?" Then do [insert anything]. That's extortion. End of story. If I were on the LL team, that would be all I needed and there go Hax' adfarms.

I don't agree with the hatred towards lawyers in your other post, but I'm in favor of LL just doing the right thing and not worrying to much when the adfarmers scream like stuck Haxes about it. .....


It wasn't "hatred" towards lawyers.
It was simply an accurate observation that a lawyer's job is to to put up any arguments possible to defend the client. This often involves completely ignoring the spirit of the law and searching out loopholes in the way in which the spirit was worded.
A judge when faced with the rules of procedure and evidence may have little option but to concede an argument even though the outcome is manifestly unjust and counter to common sense.

LL do not have the same constraints as does a judge.


In any case -
Consider that all LL will do initially is return the prims on offending parcels.
They are not going to prevent people from putting a 16m plot for sale at however high a price. That's not the 'deliverable'. The deliverable is an absence of the visual blight that extortionists have inflicted on SL.

In order for some extortionist to sue them in RL they would probably need to offer some evidence of loss.
What loss? Nobody is preventing them from offering their land at whatever price they care to.
U.M is now apparently claiming to be an artist. His only complaint can be that SL are a bunch of philistines removing his works from view and returning them to his inventory.
Greedy Fullstop
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02-14-2008 11:50
I am traveling grid to inspect my adfarms. So Lindens have removed the ads from my plots on Dinah and i am seeing Dinah in the police blotter but am not recieving warning emails.
Notice also:
all of my 16s (in all region) have the banline turn off.
See my ads over 16s being own by Governor Linden. I think maybe they take them? I am not sure because I have too many 16s to know.
Helpless Frog
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Oh Well...
02-14-2008 11:55
It was fun while it lasted.

U* H** has adapted the pillars, at least in my area. The texture was replaced with grass. So we now have floating, rotating chunks of turf for sale at the same extortionist pricing.
:(


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Marianne McCann
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02-14-2008 12:00
From: Greedy Fullstop
I am traveling grid to inspect my adfarms. So Lindens have removed the ads from my plots on Dinah and i am seeing Dinah in the police blotter but am not recieving warning emails.
Notice also:
all of my 16s (in all region) have the banline turn off.
See my ads over 16s being own by Governor Linden. I think maybe they take them? I am not sure because I have too many 16s to know.


Your business might be headed for a full stop. Hope you weren't too greedy.
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Tiana Whitfield
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02-14-2008 12:02
From: Marianne McCann
Your business might be headed for a full stop. Hope you weren't too greedy.


Oh Mari for a little'un.. your very wise!


:)
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Alice Katayama
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02-14-2008 12:06
From: Greedy Fullstop
I am traveling grid to inspect my adfarms. So Lindens have removed the ads from my plots on Dinah and i am seeing Dinah in the police blotter but am not recieving warning emails.
Notice also:
all of my 16s (in all region) have the banline turn off.
See my ads over 16s being own by Governor Linden. I think maybe they take them? I am not sure because I have too many 16s to know.



The Bleeting of the Spam! Looks like it is working
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Kalderi Tomsen
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02-14-2008 12:11
Greedy Fullstop - hmm, what's in a name?

You didn't get a written email warning? But you got all your stuff that was on there returned to you? I'd say that was your warning.

And you own so many that you can't keep track of them?

Hold me back, someone.....
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Trout Recreant
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02-14-2008 12:13
From: Sling Trebuchet
It wasn't "hatred" towards lawyers.
It was simply an accurate observation that a lawyer's job is to to put up any arguments possible to defend the client. This often involves completely ignoring the spirit of the law and searching out loopholes in the way in which the spirit was worded.
A judge when faced with the rules of procedure and evidence may have little option but to concede an argument even though the outcome is manifestly unjust and counter to common sense.

LL do not have the same constraints as does a judge.


In any case -
Consider that all LL will do initially is return the prims on offending parcels.
They are not going to prevent people from putting a 16m plot for sale at however high a price. That's not the 'deliverable'. The deliverable is an absence of the visual blight that extortionists have inflicted on SL.

In order for some extortionist to sue them in RL they would probably need to offer some evidence of loss.
What loss? Nobody is preventing them from offering their land at whatever price they care to.
U.M is now apparently claiming to be an artist. His only complaint can be that SL are a bunch of philistines removing his works from view and returning them to his inventory.


Alright - "hatred" was too strong a word. I disagree with you on what a lawyer's job is, but I recognize that some lawyers think that way and that it's the view of the general public and the press.

Lol at the "artist" argument. Now, rotating pictures of dogs playing poker, or maybe a valvet painting of a matador or Elvis. THAT's art! LL wouldn't dare remove that!
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Alice Katayama
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Filing an AR report on Ad lots:
02-14-2008 12:23
When filing the abuse report, please stand beside the offending content before choosing Report Abuse from the Help menu. Use the Harassment category and include the phrase "Ad Farm" in the summary line. If the owner is clear, enter their name. If it is a group-owned parcel or object, then either enter the owner or officer of the group if you can find it or enter "Governor Linden" (yes, we're asking you to abuse report the Gov, it's okay, she won't mind...) and put as much supporting detail in as you can.


The policy makes it clear that advertising itself is not banned, just the mix of an obnoxious ad and a high price, I do not see that having your full sized lot high priced in its self is any kind of violation or just having an ugly ad space... it must be some sort of mix of the two.
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02-14-2008 12:23
It's a good start. Stepping in and doing something at least.

I'm happy for you who are influenced...I've never been a part of any of it, so I don't know what's really at stake here.
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Qie Niangao
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02-14-2008 12:29
From: Ciaran Laval
"We have heard the feedback, read the comments and blogs and so we are making some changes to address it."

Which flies totally in the face of "There's nothing you can do about it" when residents have other grievances. There obviously are cases where something can be done.
Indeed. How many times did the ToS get invoked as if the landspammer interpretation were holy writ?

Musing 1: The gambling ban was externally imposed, so LL complies begrudgingly. In contrast, enforcing this one helps LL's bottom line. They might be pretty thorough and persistent this time around.

Musing 2: I think if I were a Liaison, I wouldn't even wait for ARs. I mean, if I'm out addressing an adfarm AR, surrounded by other parcels violating the same provision, I'd probably just nuke everything in sight and save the extra trips. After a week or so and the grid is cleared of all 16s priced over L$200 bearing a visible prim, then there'll be time to deliberate over the borderline cases.
Bradley Bracken
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02-14-2008 12:31
I'm laughing at U.H. right now. I checked his profile last night and it said that none of his plots sold for less than L$5000 lindens so don't ask.

Today it's changed. Today he says he is an artist and he will remain forever.

Obviously he is somehow already trying to work around the system. In my gut I feel that LL has had enough of this "gentleman" and they have no plans to allow him to weasel out of anything.

Regretfully I don't think we're going to see alot of ad farms go away for awhile due to abandonment. I expect many will simply abandon their land which means they wont be up for sale at outrageous prices and we know it takes awhile for land to be reclaimed.

Nevertheless, I could still practically pee my pants I'm so happy.
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02-14-2008 12:33
From: Bradley Bracken


Obviously he is somehow already trying to work around the system. In my gut I feel that LL has had enough of this "gentleman" and they have no plans to allow him to weasel out of anything.



I think it may be because of this "gentleman" that voices were heard.. It was most likely the worse move he ever made defacing the borders of new sims in auction!
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