Bye bye adfarmers?

Due To Rl Im Having To Leave Sl.this Is A Hot Club With 3 Dance Floors And 32 Diffrent Animations Run By A Hud.real Easy To Use.im Selling It Just The Way It Sits Right Now And We Also Have Several Hot Vendors Here.and Im Letting It Go Below The Price It Should Be So Come On Down And Check It Out Today.

Hmm. You noticed that, too, eh?



I don't see what needs clarification, really. You are an established landowner with a home and/or business. He is an adfarmer ("reformed", one of many you block. Not much grounds for complaint there. A 32sqm plot isn't a realistic vantage point to make "view obstruction" complaints against his much bigger neighbors.

You can always do what I did with my mall. All of my blocking prims are transparent on "their" side (the outside), and are all phantom, so their "view" isn't affected, and their movement unimpeded.

Bwahahahaha!!
They've escaped the grid, and are now on the forum!

Oh noes!! It's the end of SL!! (again)

LOL. When bling hits the forum, THEN the end is near.

This leads to a question:

If you own a giant mall thats for sale (above market rate) - would some consider it extortion since its an "eyesore" to the little 512 cottages near it?

I would say not. That the fact the mall is a much larger parcel with an obvious purpose would eliminate any of that nonsense.

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Maybe goes back to the - land that is set up for the purpose of extortion idea.

Puppet's land being a larger plot, surely doesn't exist for the purpose of extortion.

In principle, though, it could - and has happened in the past. Back in the heyday of land-flipping, when a certain "Spinach" was especially active, it was commonplace to see predatory prims right at the boundary of a small neighbor in an effort to get him or her to sell out cheap.

Won't be long before LL is ignoring the overwhelming majoirty of AR's over this extortion issue. In fact, if I were a cynic (; )) I might even think that their first priority will be ad farms affecting the value of new sims they put on the market,like the one suspected of triggering this ban in the first place. And their second priority? Probably something shiny.

I suppose it leads to a larger set of questions: Is it really an eyesore, and how much above market rate is it?

For argument's sake, let's say it is downright awful (who knows, my mall may fall into this category ), and the owner is asking 5x FMV for it. Given that it is a huge plot, the tier increase will probably already make it cost prohibitive for most of the neighbors, even if it was sold for FMV, so they are out of the equation. The rest who a) would want it, and b) could afford the tier are then left with a similar conundrum. Let's assume they want the commercial enterprise gone from their sim. Given the fact that the mall DID have a purpose within its own borders, and the owner likely did spend a good deal of time there when it was operating (this also assumes that the mall is now defunct and the owner never around anymore), the question becomes: is the owner really leaving the eyesore there to entice his neighbors to buy him out? I think that would be the rarest of all possible cases, but let's say that is the situation. If the mall is serving no more internal purpose to the plot except occupying space, then, yes, I can see someone ARing it for being extortive. However, not after trying to talk with the mall owner and seeing if he/she will be reasonable and dismantle it, or sell it for a more reasonable rate. If all you get back is "HAHA! Too damn bad! Buy me out to get rid of me!!", then sure, AR the jackass. Then, when all his annoying content is gone, let him sit there and choke on his tier with a useless, empty plot until he either comes to his senses, or Gov Linden comes by and takes his land.

Again, there are a lot of variables in that situation which would affect it. It is DEFINITELY nowhere near as clear-cut as adfarmer activities. I think it would qualify as one of those "razor's edge" cases and, as such, should be VERY rare.

Yes, I'm sure that the ad-farmers extortionists would love to get some nice lines drawn up around this so they they can find out how to still make people's lives miserable while staying within the letter of the SL code of conduct.

Personally, I hope they don't. Because as I have already said twice in these threads, it is very VERY easy to stay within both the letters and the spirit of the rule.

Don't buy land with the desire to load junk on it to harass residents into paying more than they otherwise normally would have to in order to live peacefully on their land.

You want to buy a small lot as a speculative thing? Fine, leave it empty, don't fill it with junk.

You want to have a junk-filled lot? Fine, don't put it for sale, and don't get into debates about your neighbours about whether it's for sale or not - it's not.

If you have an ad plot that is making good money, fine, don't put it up for sale.

It's very very simple for you folks who are doing this to behave well.

LL may have a difficult job divining the intent you have, it's true, but YOU know why you are doing it, and that is very EASY for you to do correctly.

And there is the clarity that everyone needs.

If an ad plot is not for sale, all the ARs in the world will achieve precisely nothing.

The definition is clear.

Land must be set for sale at a price way in excess of FMV AND Advertisements must be placed to make people want to buy the land.

The person who has the land on my sim still owns it and still wants L$10,000 for it (a 16sqm plot). Good luck to him, if some fool will pay it. But now the only thing he could put on it would be non advertising stuff. Thus meaning that the sim we are in will remain pretty.

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It's not necessarily advertising under the policy - the intent has to be to annoy or harass the neighbors into buying at a higher than normal price. So the adfarmer with the spinning smiley faces is in violation because of his intent, despite the fact that he has no actual ads. You could buy a piece of land, build something and set it for sale for a billion lindens, if you want, but if your build is designed to harass the neighbors into buying for your inflated price, then you are going to have trouble. ("you" in the general sense, not the poster I quoted, of course)

That'd be spam, which is also AR-able.

It has to scan for nearby avatars to spam.

That's what those things do? Ugh. Definitely harassment and ARable.

Boy, any chance you could find something non-obnoxious to do with your land?

LOL somehow saying youve given up adfarming to take up group invite spamming seems a bit like saying

You gave up robbing banks to take up stealing cars.

I'm sure the thought process goes something like:

1) Spam group invites.
2) ???
3) Profit!

Not all group invite bots are spammers. They are a necessary component of systems which let people touch inworld items and automatically be invited to groups.

But those bots don't have to be anywhere in partucular. Those that need landing points are scanning for something. Put two and two together--scanning plus group invites--and you get spam.

And actually bots are unnecessary for this.

I prefer a scripted system that sends me an email with a group request.

Next time I'm on, I just invite the people to the group myself. Quite often with a friendly IM thanking them for requesting group membership as I invite them in.

Even on a bigger group, (say for a shop) you could use a script where if the prim is touched, you are taken to the group profile... If you are looking at automatic membership, you may as well make it open enrolment anyway, then all the particular person has to do after touching the join here prim, is press the "Join 0L$" button and they are added.

Exactly what I use at my store. A simple script places inside of a sign. Doesn't require a bot or anything special whatsoever. Done right there on the spot.

they have to be distributed throughout the mainland for this?

Or just logged in?

No, they don't have to be in any particular area - I wasn't really commenting on that, more that the use of bots to invite people wasn't necessarily connected with spamming. Actually I don't imagine that there is any good reason to have sensor prims or bots in random mainland adfarm areas either to gather targets - why bother? They don't exactly have a lot of traffic.

By the way, it has also only been quite recently that it's been possible to give someone a link to a group profile (though it is, yes, a lot simpler and easier than using a bot).

Oh. My. God. That is the cutest picture EVER.

Raymond wins the internets!

While many things are obvious violations, there are a few grey areas, which have been proposed in various posts. I think that one thing that the anti-new policy people are concerned about is "what comes next?" - since it's not just ads that are a violation, it's any content that can be seen as meaning to annoy the neighbors. And you can just as easily 'land grief' from a 4096 as you can from a 16 sized lot. Well, not quite as easily - you would be taking time to put up more stuff. Overall, though, I think the new policy is great - there are a few nagging "what if" questions I'd rather see answered. But I wouldn't want to see price limits drawn up since people would just price them at the limit.

I don't make my walls phantom on any sides because there are so many ads in that area, and since my property is very oddly shaped, being made up of former adlots, there are gaps where an adfarm sits between two or three pieces of my land. If more ads start to come down as a result of this policy, I will revisit the transparency issue.

Here's another 2 plots walled inside a mall on 4 sides, one of the 2 plots is a standard sign, and the other is one saying they will swap for a 16m elsewhere in the sim, I can only assume negotiations broke down in that case. So the owner has theis big sign pointing to the enclosed lot with "The owner of this little plot is stupid"
(Hantu 141,130,66)

Honestly I can't belive the drama people seem to enjoy over a plot of virtual land worth $2US
Then again I live in a sim with a crazy mall owner on the other side of the sim who won't swap an empty 4096m that is enclosed by my "L" shaped land for any 5000m next to his mall
And to top it off, being empty flat land he has to keep ban lines on it for last 12 months.