Bye bye adfarmers?

It's even funnier when you notice that my tail is holding the butt of the rifle.

Jeebus Crispies. I just logged in and that frightinging image is the first thing I saw. Ray, thank God you said that was your tail or I don't think I would have been able to sleep tonight.

What is this thread about now anyway? I have been AFK for several hours and feel as if I have missed something.

LOL! I wasn't going to give "his" name, but that guy is one mean, nasty, evil bastage and I am guilty of paying his fees to rid him from my sim. I am certain he was one of the chief reasons as to why this new policy was put into place. I spent a LOT of money in my sim cleaning it up and getting rid of him and the rest, and I regret it on one hand, and don't on the other. I don't have to see it anymore. Oh happy day! This is great news. I appreciate it finally, finally, finally happening! I just wonder what the heck took so long?

Prehensile rodent appendages and their wartime capabilities as they relate to narcolepsy and redundant pontificating.

Also, penguins.

I have no problem with short sleeved shirts.

Already been mentioned. Whatever happened to the Cerfification Programme (http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/SL_Certification) ?

Ohhhh! Pengiuns. See, I missed that.

Stillborn, hopefully. Died in committee. Tabled indefinitely. Packed up and left town on the 6 o'clock bus.

I joined that group. Very little seemed to get done, and it seemed such a waste overall.

Placing ads on a 16sqm parcel and charging L$10,000 ($40 US) for the privilege of buying that 16 sqm parcel to remove them is extortionate, period. That is the arguement the Lindens have and in that I agree with them. Had the land not been set for sale, or had been for sale at a reasonable cost, then there would have been no argument. There would have been nothing that could be done as the parcel owner was keeping within the guidelines set out by LL.

He used to have eBay ads on them and such, before the spinning smiling star of Davids. I had to accept his extortion in a couple of places to be rid of him, his last one in my SIM at $15,000L. I should not have paid it, but after six months of trying to reason with him for any other amount, I gave up and wanted it gone. Now our mainland sim looks really nice and is 100% free of ad farms. I spent a few hundred dollars, no lie, cleaning it up over many months, because I liked my neighbors and where the mainland was located.

UH is a sociopath. Look up the definition. Fits him to a T. I had him come by once to "negotiate" and he told me he was planning to build a 3 Prim bird house on it, because he loved birdies. Nasty person. Sociopath. Plain and simple.

mmm Yoo-Hoo

The thing is now, you are using ad blockers on your adjacent properties, as you have been for months...even after the removal of my ads...since you are now using content to negatively affect my view from that parcel, to try to force me to sell my property for less than I wish to sell it for, admittedly for your own benefit, I consider that to be harrassment....

As I was trying to illustrate in my previous post, this new policy is a knife that cuts both ways...since you are now trying to force residents to LOWER their sales price to you for their land based on using content that blocks views, you are just as guilty as any land extortionist that ever was...

Or dont you see that is just as wrong as them trying to make you pay inflated prices?

As for my 16m parcels...you would be laboring under an incorrect assumption...there ARE other uses for small parcels in second life, besides for ads...I am now using them for another purpose, a landing point for my automatic group invitation bots...so I need them in place...I just wont have advertisments on them, for the meantime.

While the tone of that post is pretty obnoxious, it doesn't bring up a good point.

If someone has cleared their ads away, then it is only right and fair to take down the ad blockers.

However, since the person putting up the ad blockers presumably doesn't have their land up for sale then no, this knife does NOT cut both ways.

Nice try.

certainly it DOES cut both ways...because my land IS for sale...and the only purpose of her view blockers is to try to make me sell my land to her at the lower price she demands it at...is that not the same issue?...someone attempting to use content to force the sale of a parcel of land at a price they demand?...isn't that exactly what the land extortionists have always done?...they just tried to SELL the land at a higher price...she is trying to BUY the land at a lower price, using the same tactics...

since the parcel in question has not had ANYTHING on it for almost six months, the only purpose of her view blocker, when viewed in conjunction with her offer for the land, is to attempt to force the sale of my land at less than I have it set to sale for...Especially since the offer she made to me was well under the average price /meter in the sim in question, even for full sized parcels...

Oh you are precious - you make it sound like yours were the only ads in the area. To clarify, for those who don't own land in the area, who you are trying to mislead in the forum - there are many other ads in this little area, and the purpose of my walls of snow is to block my view of those.

The offer I made was the average of the land that actually SELLS in the region - not the average for sale price counting all the extortion. $10/sq.m. is fair for a snow sim. I have watched numerous parcels in this sim be sold and resold, and I know what price they actually sell at. It's mostly speculators who buy and raise the price, and eventually drop it when it doesn't sell after a few weeks. Since I only have land in a few sims, I can watch the land trades and monitor the prices land actually moves at. $2000 for a 32 sq.m. lot, as you were asking, is nowhere near the "average".

It's fine if you don't want to sell to me. Good luck finding someone willing to pay that kind of money on an adfarm.

Edit: OOOH, I see you've dropped your price to only $999 for a 32 sq.m. lot. Ridiculous.

If Temporal took down the ads six months ago as he said he did, then they were gone before I even bought the adjacent property. As I mentioned in my previous post, I wouldn't have my snow walls up unless there was something to block, and there are a number of ads at this location. My purpose was to block those. Until those are gone, the walls won't come down.

Edit: Just so y'all know, Temporal has informed me in world that he has filed an abuse report on me. This is rather unfortunate, and I'm sorry that he takes my snow walls so personally when they're not even meant for him, but I'm not worried about it. I only made an offer at the price that land actually sells for in this region, and the Lindens can confirm this since they have all the data. It just makes one more unnecessary thing for them to investigate.

Why does a group invitation bot need a landing point?

You can invite someone to a group at any distance on the grid.

Negatively affect your VIEW from a 32sqm PARCEL??? You're joking, right? You can't hardly even STAND on that parcel, let alone view from within it, as your camera in 3rd person will most definitely be over someone else's land anyway.



As I tried to illustrate in my response to your post (assuming you even bothered to read it), I don't think advertising plot owners have a very good leg to stand on when it comes to expecting reciprocal treatment. I definitely think that the size of a plot directly affects the legitimacy of a complaint, and rightly so, ESPECIALLY if you are surrounded in someone else's plot. Your neighbors have big plots that they they paid (and are paying) a LOT more money for, in order to conduct business or reside. You injected yourself there on a tiny little plot, probably for very little initial cost, and force-fed everyone in sight your advertising for however many months.

You claim the plot has great value (and have it set at 5-10 times fair market value presently), but it is only that valuable to you and other advertisers. To regular plot owners, it is worth FMV per sqm, or maybe SLIGHTLY more.

No, you don't HAVE to sell it, and no one can FORCE you to sell it. The fact that someone is lowering the value of it to other advertisers via blocking notwithstanding.

Advertising is a very extroverted activity. You move into someplace with the express purpose of taking advantage of everyone's view solely to force something on them that they likely do NOT want. You have no intention to do anything for yourself there; it is all about being "pushy" with your content, because that is what in-your-face advertising is all about. People who own regular plots and are trying to live / work / play on them are generally the opposite - generally introverted. They are there to focus on what is on their plot; focusing on themselves; the view is just the setting for their Second Life. They aren't generally interested specifically in forcing their presence on everyone else. That's not always true, of course, but even when there is a desire to be extroverted and have their build say "look at me!", it is a balance between that and what is going on within the borders of their plot. Thus, I would say that extroverted activities and builds have less weight than introverted ones, by virtue of the very fact that introverted ones do not significantly and negatively impact the neighbors. IE, they stay within the confines of the plot. Thus, you can see why injection advertising is so hated on, because it is so heavily weighted towards extroversion only.

In addition, I also think that plots where the owner actually lives/works/plays should have much more preference on their surroundings versus ones which are owned by someone who rarely, if ever steps foot on or near them (or, really, CAN do so; tiny plots pretty much preclude presence by their very nature).



Uhh.. OK. You can do group invites anywhere on the grid. Why would you need tiny plots all over the grid for that function?

Yeah, there are supposedly reasons to have tiny plots here and there, I am not denying that they exist, but none of them listed to me so far have any need to have a "view", so the whole "reverse extortion" angle doesn't wash for them. A good deal of them are introvertive, which is good for the neighbors, but it also means you don't have much of a care about the "view".

Lastly, even if you were interested in pricing your land at or even just above FMV in an attempt to be fair, someone offering you below that is just being a turd burglar, and I think you have every justification to say "no". However, I think that one of the reasons people offer advertisers low prices, even for normal land, is because it is an overreaction to the massively exorbitant (read: extortive) prices most ad plot owners want to sell for initially. Ultimately, it goes back to the target audience for those kinds of plots. You CAN NOT expect normal plot owners (who have nearby houses/businesses) to pay speculative advertising plot rates for tiny plots; it just isn't going to happen without extortion, which is why we now have this policy.

What kind of view are you gonna get with a 16M anyhow?

its only 4M across.

Heck thats not even wide enough for a set of french doors in SL.

Not that you'd have the prims for them.

I suppose if you had 3 prim lawn-chairs scattered about the grid for your bot to relax on, then you might spoil *ITS* view when its working on its tan.

Well, they definitely have room to watch me stand there and play my World's Smallest Violin, but sadly, I broke it playing it so much recently.

wouldn't your wings block their view?

Yeah, I feel for ya, Puppet. I figure I am going to be in the same boat with a lot of these folks, being associated with the Ad Zoo, which surrounds and publicly (on our own land anyway) humiliates them. However, it's all the truth, with a dash of satire thrown in for good measure.

I figure they will gain some purchase with some Linden eventually, though, and we'll get warned for "harassment" or "disturbing the peace". *shrug* Can't have a good protest anymore. I wonder if the Lindens would sanction a million-avatar march on Pooley or Grasmere. :-/

It would be kinda hard to have a million-avatar march when you can only fit 40 people on a sim at a time.

After talking with Temporal in world, it seems we both agree on one thing: Clarification on this new policy from the Lindens would be very welcome.

No, I could turn to face them so they would be able to see me play just fine.

Oh. You mean to everything else? Ya, probably, but that's not my problem.

Be careful what you wish for.

Usually when the Lindens try to clarify something they leave more loose ends and make more obscure statements than were ever contained in the original announcement.