Personally, I think that's a category error. The right question should be "when is pornography art?"
By the definition of art, pornography is always a form of art. The next question would be is it appropriate art?
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02-04-2009 07:51
By the definition of art, pornography is always a form of art. The next question would be is it appropriate art? _____________________
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02-04-2009 07:59
By the definition of art, pornography is always a form of art.  Edit: I really need a toothy ferret smiley. _____________________
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richard Zhichao
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what you bitchin about porn
02-04-2009 08:08
damn here we go you people bitchin about porn does this mean we cant have sex anymore in second life,they took gaming (or gambling way) and now you are complaining about porn what next zyngo? i want sex in second life dont take my balls away!!
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Arielyn Docherty
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02-04-2009 08:10
damn here we go you people bitchin about porn does this mean we cant have sex anymore in second life,they took gaming (or gambling way) and now you are complaining about porn what next zyngo? Yep...that's the upshot of this entire thread--a conspiracy designed with one purpose: to take away the ability/right for you to use your "bits."  _____________________
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Raudf Fox
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02-04-2009 08:17
I suspect that "what is the definition of art?" is a question that is FAR more widely debated than either version of "when is pornography art?". Edit: I really need a toothy ferret smiley. Oh, yes, we had that discussion too. A two class long discussion on that, in fact. It's amazing that a pile of trash can be considered "art." If that's the case, then I have several cans of "art" waiting to be picked up! *shrugs* I've done the whole studio/fine art shtick. *hangs head* Only thing I learned about it is that I don't wanna be in a room full of them when they're in a debate or drunk. Not much difference in some cases. _____________________
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Dnali Anabuki
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02-04-2009 08:35
What I really love about SL is seeing what people choose to do when they have the freedom to do what they want which ranges from being very concerned about typing and grammar to creating really (new to me) inventive ways to have sex (and involving people in writing erotica while at work, leaving the dishes to soak or while significant other is sleeping).
In one presentation Philip said that SL was disruptive because it made smaller the space between us (like other social networking tech) and that disruption was unavoidable. (/327/e7/304230/1.html) One of the ways that the space has gotten smaller is in our care about how we communicate and what we do to connect whether it is spelling, grammar or sex. The space between us is mitigated now by how we are seen as a demographic and how we are therefore governed or marketed to. But when we are left to negotiate that space ourselves in freedom, the first thing we (well, I) experience is how diverse we are and how I resist that difference until I learn more about the person and then it just becomes human...as they become more human in my eyes, I become more human in my own. _____________________
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Jerboa Haystack
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02-04-2009 08:50
Oh, yes, we had that discussion too. A two class long discussion on that, in fact. It's amazing that a pile of trash can be considered "art." If that's the case, then I have several cans of "art" waiting to be picked up! heh...this brings to mind the old schtik about handing in an empty canvas for an art assignment and calling it "Polar bear in blizzard" But IMO, "art" can be many things to many people. Not everyone has to "get it" about everything artistic. But...(and I don't want to put words in Jig's mouth), it seems that the real impetus behind the original post isn't pornography masquerading as art, or art of the pornographic. Instead, it is about the prevalence of bumping pixels, how SL's image is affected by it, and what effect that has on potential corporate investors and users. My actual opinion is that it is a big grid out there. There should be enough space for both the private and corporate citizens to coexist. There is no reason to go to sims with "questionable content" if you don't want to. They are easily avoided. I mangage to avoid them every night.  Private islands allow a corporation to remain isolated from parts of SL that they do not want to be associated with, and allow them to carefully construct their SL presence in a manner that fits their corporate objectives. _____________________
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Tarina Sewell
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02-04-2009 08:59
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02-04-2009 09:01
I'm not talking about whether it's obscenity, I'm talking about whether it's sexually arousing... or even intended to be sexually arousing. It probably is for someone _____________________
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Argent Stonecutter
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02-04-2009 09:07
Once you include obscure fetishes everything's pornographic. I'm sure there's people who find heavy mining equipment erotic, but that doesn't mean a BHP prospectus is pornography.
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Ashe1 Writer
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02-04-2009 09:11
Once you include obscure fetishes everything's pornographic. I'm sure there's people who find heavy mining equipment erotic, but that doesn't mean a BHP prospectus is pornography. haha, good one And, so true!_____________________
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Brenda Connolly
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02-04-2009 09:14
hmmmmm... Second Life is a platform, not a game. Freedom of speech is the most sacrosanct right the US bill of rights establishes, even if that speech (or art) offends someone else. No, it establishes that the Government shall not abrogate speech. Private entities such as LL can censor anything they want. SL is their game, they make the rules. If they were to decide tomorrow that depictions of pink iguanas were obscene and offensive, it wouldn't matter if it was considered art or not. _____________________
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Argent Stonecutter
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02-04-2009 09:25
If they were to decide tomorrow that depictions of pink iguanas were obscene and offensive, it wouldn't matter if it was considered art or not.  _____________________
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02-04-2009 09:29
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CarlCorey Colman
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02-04-2009 10:03
I finally came to an answer, one that seems to sum up everything I've heard on both sides of the fence and that is: Pornography is in the mind/eye of the beholder. Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart in 1964 regarding whether a particular movie was "obscene" or not: "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that." Not a very rigerous legal definition but certainly in agreement with your observation. _____________________
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