The Sex Continent: some thoughts on it

Apparently not, although LL are saying that private homes are fine, people camming into places is a concern and one of the reasons for moving content to the adult continent. This is probably why the first draft of rules was so harsh, they are looking to protect the nosey parkers.

As opposed to protecting you from the nosey parkers.......

Indeed, peepers rights seem to outweigh everything.

This is how i feel. Having a free for all is NOT as important as being able to control what our children and people who don't want to see explicit content see. Go find a 12 year old (Don't kidnap one please) and watch how easy it is for them to get into SL. Actually don't. I would be TERRIFIED of a child of that age seeing what's in SL as it stands.

I do feel that people have their rights to do their own thing, However, even my partner is from a country where they're about to start fining and possibly jailing people for downloading explicit content. By all means he shouldn't have to risk jail to enjoy SL!!! There are a lot of people in the same or similar situations.

All that aside I have a personal preference for pretty clean living, even in SL. I don't want to go into a place I think I'm just getting a skin and see people doing their thing. I don't want naked avatars wearing their xcites out of their clothes wandering my store and sometimes I am heavily offended by the roleplay that goes on RIGHT BESIDE ME even in a pg sim that has nothing to do with said roleplay.

I know that nobody can be made perfectly comfortable or be completely accomodated. That is how life works. No matter if it's first or second something will always come up that offends someone. However, I do think this is a big step in the right direction especially if everything is properly enforced.

As for skin designers, if you have a skin that's favored for it's genitalia go to one of the sex sims. That's where such belongs. Redgrave, one of the most popular (if not THE most popular) skin store in SL operates out of a PG sim and does fantastic business and has beautiful displays that make the skins look better than any display of nudity ever could. Even so, one of the posts I read from a Linden said that skin makers should be allright.

If you are a creator of people bits. Please, just move away, or flag yourself so i don't stumble into your store full of realistic sculpted wingwangs while looking for a new handbag. That is a long standing problem for me and actually KEEPS ME AWAY from some stores that I would otherwise shop at. Nobody is going to suffer from this long term except for those that can't prove they are an adult. And MAYBE those people that need to credit card verify will become consumers instead of just freebie munchers. (No offense to the freebie munchers. I love me some freebies.)

So everybody that's totally protesting this idea, please step back and take a look at what's really happening. It's not some form of evil linden oppression. We are actually getting more choice in how we spend our SL.

I think SL will be fine guys.

hmm..something about these tags just takes away from the whole thing..
but i guess if we have to cover up we may as well start here..

when you go to the supermarket and try/taste the samples .. are you having lunch or just testing?

I will hold the linden at his word.
whoever comes up with a script that makes attached weenies etc. disappear on mature land is going to be a very rich person

/Dagon peeks in from his grumpy elf cloud of invisibility to see what he mised.

I think I missed something major. So they are restricting sex and violence only certain parts of world now? Thought they had it cover with mature land settings.

Do you squeak when you walk? because thats a pretty uptight outlook on life. You should be on your own little NO sex island. Not us. Because let me tell you we arent staying in xxx land full time.

I may have missed a trend of thought but I'm not aware of "everybody that's totally protesting this idea". It's details of the change that are being discussed, or maybe I'm unintentionally selecting what to notice and what not to notice.

Of course SL will be fine. It's some users who won't be fine, such as those whose All search rankings tank, resulting in a significant loss of business for quite some time, because they are made to move without LL making any attempt to deal with Picks. That's as far as we know right now.

I kinda lost track of this thread for a while. Thanks, Phil, for your response:Now that you mention it, that's probably true. My two week half-life conjecture was based on how short most alts live and the removal of Pick-based IBLs after one week of account inactivity, but yeah I'll bet there's huge variability in the lifespan of Picks, depending on the industry (furniture longer than, say, entertainment: more of the accounts have long-term plans), the motivation for the Pick (voluntary longer than Paid, on the premise that there's always a higher bidder--or "greater fool", and even the permissions of the items sold (Copy longer than Transfer: if the product can't move between accounts, the account is likely to be around a while).
I guess it would be a pretty easy test, if I had any commercial instinct or motivation: Just two untraffic'd parcels, one with hundreds of items with the same name as the parcel, and another with hundreds of randomly named items, all set to show in Search. Maybe a third, control parcel, with no items at all in Search. If theory 1 holds, both "packed" parcels should be equally penalized in the Search rankings; if theory 2, only the parcel with randomly named items should suffer.

I've never heard that before. Where did you hear it? You are saying that the All search system doesn't use Picks that are in the profiles of accounts that have not been used for a week? Incidentally, the Picks of most alts wouldn't count anyway - only the Picks of accounts that have html pages count.

Even so, many high ranking places have a *lot* of Picks that do count, and are effective in getting the high rankings. A move of location will destroy those Picks for search, and tank the rankings because of it.

I have always had good reason to test it, but never the motivation and, at this point, I still don't have it - perhaps because I'm half expecting to close down when the change comes - although, like Sling's traffic tests, it might be interesting to do it on an academic level.

Well, maybe they'll change Search again anyway, once they figure out what they're going to do about Traffic, or traffic manipulation, or whatever they eventually bestir themselves to do. (Jack was due to blog about that earlier this week, but I suppose his boss's little bombshell kind of pre-empted it.)

Hmmm... now where did I hear about the 1-week thing? It came up early-on in my own experiments with Search All: I'd neglect to login my webpaged alts for a while, and my Search ranking would slip; log them in and it would boost again. My timeline was terribly imprecise and I guessed it to be a gradual decline in IBL weight for the affected Picks over a couple weeks or more, but somebody corrected me that it was all-or-nothing (which makes sense, being a count, not individually weighted), and... Oh, crap! Apparently it's one month, not one week. See /327/64/299232/1.html.
I'm thinking that if I were interested in SL income, I'd probably have dedicated parcels that I used exclusively for testing in-world SEO theories. Easy for me to say, though, as a bystander at best.

More on-topic, I suppose:But see, that's the thing: the worst offenses even now are already against Community Standards by being adult (or worse) content on PG sims--notably LL's own Welcome Areas, Help Islands, and sandboxes. If LL can't effectively enforce the rules on these newbie-rich areas -- and this in the midst of a huge initiative to improve New User Experience, no less -- why on earth should we imagine the new content segregation scheme should have any noticeable impact, other than to inconvenience a lot of people?

My Second Life experience is 99% G-rated, and so is the content on all my Mature parcels, as well as those of my neighbors as far as I've noticed. But I wouldn't want any of it to be PG land, for that 1% where I might someday do something Adult. Maybe "very Adult" even. So I want to move where the Adults are; if it turns out to be too racy for me, well, I can always go back to the safe haven of LL's PG land. Oh, wait...

That's the second time it's been put off. It must be difficult deciding what to do to appease some people and yet not interfere with the stats

That makes sense now It's the html page that isn't created, which in turn kills off the value of the Picks. It has to be on or off, and not somewhere in-between. It's whether an html page is created for the account or not. However, it's not just a count of links, as each page has a value attributed to it, which makes a difference in the value of links from different pages. Pages are not equal in value and links from them don't have equal values for the destination pages.

My interest would be academic rather than going all out to improve the income, but that's just me. I was *very* interested in Sling's traffic tests, but only "out of interest" - making use of it doesn't appeal to me. It's why I've never got into all the marketing tips, and never used places like Xsreet. All the "nose to the grindstone" stuff, as it was described in another thread, isn't in my nature.

https://xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=459967#459967

Really Phil, read that first post, it might totally change your mind about bots!

I have a poseball shop that's devoted to adult products, where I encourage nudity and play, but oddly enough, it almost never happens! Go figure. (True, I haven't put up an encouraging sign yet, but still, some people just have all the luck. )


Phil, I agree wholeheartedly with your point here.

In your place, I'd simply ignore the issue other than to take the simple measures already mentioned (like posting a sign, editing your shop description), and wait and see. Most likely, you'd be fine. If you do get a takedown notice, you can decide whether to drop the offending products or simply close up shop.

Good point! Based on what I've read (though I've only skimmed most of the posts), your interpretation is consistent with what they're saying, even though it isn't quite how most people are interpreting it. I wonder if LL are clever enough to have done this intentionally ...

I did not know about that one.. thanks... Voted for it right away.

Maybe you should try a model that is already on one of a poseball pair

Even in my model booths it's rare for someone to get naked with a model, but I did come across a couple a few weeks ago who were naked on the empty booth bed, and him wearing his 18" chopper lol. I've also come across people using the models for pleasure, but it's uncommon. The models do get tips once in a while, so you might consider trying it

And ty for the comment, Lear. That's what I intend doing - those little bits - unless I'm required to move, and then I'll decide whether or not to continue.

Phil the Pimp.

hehe. It's crossed my mind

One of them got 100L tip not long ago. I can't think why because it was the male model of a male-female pair, so nobody could hop on with him. They can only use the menu to watch the pair perform the anims. His name is 4times Nitely, so maybe someone thought he needed food to build his strength up

I treat my bots better than that, Marcel. I let them have time off to go and hump the sex models in other stores

You would send all your unverified accounts there after giving them an opportunity to be verified. You would send all business users there. Then all those that wish to avoid all 'adult' content could voluntarily locate there. The rest of us would continue to use SL the way it was originally designed.

However, I think that the reason the Lindens would rather have a separate 'Adult' world is a simple lack of courage in the face of media scrutiny and the insanely prudish. It is censorship and in no way a common sense approach. The separate PG continent is a far more workable and sane solution. That is probably why it won't be enacted.

My concern is with wondering who is or isn't underage . . . both to protect the teens and to protect adults from teens who might be a bit precocious. It's my impression that a relatively small number of residents engage in adult activity in specifically adult sims. Flirtations and romances kick up everywhere on the grid . . . in stores, galleries, clubs . . . not just X-rated spots. What safeguards will be in place to protect teens for predators and protect other residents from mistaking a teen for a consenting adult? This seems like an accident waiting to happen.

I am delighted that teens will have access to the amazing educational and cultural resources that Second Life has to offer, but I have real reservations that this is a good idea for Second Life. Just as teens have to wait to a certain age to drink, to drive or to marry (OMG - partnering!!), perhaps there is good reason for the current segregation and the safeguards that have kept the two grids apart.