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The Sex Continent: some thoughts on it

MystressAnna Lovenkraft
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03-17-2009 06:13
Originally Posted by Maturity ratings: an overview
Any publicly accessible Region must be designated "Adult" and therefore require Adult validation if it advertises, makes available, references, or displays the following:



Representations of explicit sexual conduct or genitalia, whether or not photo-realistic ("sexual conduct" will be defined inclusively, to include all erotic themes)
Representations of intense violence depicting death, torture, dismemberment or other severe bodily harm
Photo-realistic nudity
Sexually themed spaces (whether indoors or outdoors)


Pulled this off the other Forum tread Sounds Like Skins will have to go to the "Adult" Area
But keep in Mind this was before the they pulled that page down ..
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03-17-2009 06:27
From: Kitty Barnett
There you go:
I'd seen the second one but not the first - thank you. The second one seems to contradict the first one, although, in context, it may not do. I can certainly see how a sex animation store has an overall sex theme, but not the subject of the second quote.

From: Kitty Barnett
As long as you disable the sex menus on the display models (and probably uncheck "Show in search", or replace the wording to make them neutral) you should be just fine where you are.
That's something that I'm not willing to do at the present time.

From: Kitty Barnett
As for try-before-you-buy: you can keep your main store and simply have a smaller satellite store on the new continent that you link to from your main store where people could try the poses.
And that's something that I'm very unlikely to be willing to do.
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03-17-2009 06:41
I have 13k meters or so of land on the mainland. The majority of that land is used for my very very PG little store and my personal workspace and home. 90% or more of my land is completely PG.

But up in my houses attic is a very sexually themed room. It is at 3500 meters up or so and has a security orb.

The room isnt just maybe a cute little bedroom with a nice descrete sex bed on it... it's obviously all about the sex and violence, baby.

Can I be AR'd and should I move?
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03-17-2009 06:42
From: Phil Deakins
I'd seen the second one but not the first - thank you. The second one seems to contradict the first one, although, in context, it may not do. I can certainly see how a sex animation store has an overall sex theme, but not the subject of the second quote.
I don't see them contradicting each other really.

My view is that the second makes a point that a store that targets "furniture" and happens to have some "naughty" pieces is fine where it is, as long as there aren't any "try-out models" and as long as it doesn't advertise as selling the "naughty items".

While you do target furniture, looking at your search entry you do also advertise selling sexual content ("sex beds sex rugs";). Even if your actual store is as PG as it gets (no nudity, no working displays of any kind) just advertising that you have it makes you "Adult" already as far as I understand things.

Which is what the first quote deals with: advertising adult content and having it be used in the store.
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03-17-2009 06:45
From: Pie Psaltery
I have 13k meters or so of land on the mainland. The majority of that land is used for my very very PG little store and my personal workspace and home. 90% or more of my land is completely PG.

But up in my houses attic is a very sexually themed room. It is at 3500 meters up or so and has a security orb.

The room isnt just maybe a cute little bedroom with a nice descrete sex bed on it... it's obviously all about the sex and violence, baby.

Can I be AR'd and should I move?
Apparently, there would be no requirement to move. Homes are not part of it.
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03-17-2009 06:46
Blondin Linden said in the Linden-started thread that the published linked document represented an earlier version of their thinking, that it didn't represent their current thoughts, and that it would be taken down, pending a review by the team. It remains to be seen if something new gets published and what the content of it will be. Hopefully it will be quite clear as to the exceptions (like shops selling skins, or sex animations) and what one must do in order to NOT have them classified as "Adult" - like the idea of in a sex store, that everyone must remain clothed while trying out sex balls, etc, and not wear primdicks (or something).

Given the past form, though, I fear that it will leave far too many loopholes that will cause more issues.
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03-17-2009 06:49
To be truthful, I really don't want any content relegated to one specific place. My main interests in SL are exploring and shopping. I can usually combine them. I go to a shop for the first time, I like to explore the surrounding area. *I hote shops in skyboxes*. Conversely, I love map hopping or flying the Huey around and finding a new shop. While the convenience of knowing exactly where to go for a certain content is understandable, it removes some of the fun, at least for me.
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03-17-2009 06:54
From: Kalderi Tomsen
Blondin Linden said in the Linden-started thread that the published linked document represented an earlier version of their thinking, that it didn't represent their current thoughts, and that it would be taken down, pending a review by the team. It remains to be seen if something new gets published and what the content of it will be. Hopefully it will be quite clear as to the exceptions (like shops selling skins, or sex animations) and what one must do in order to NOT have them classified as "Adult" - like the idea of in a sex store, that everyone must remain clothed while trying out sex balls, etc, and not wear primdicks (or something).

Given the past form, though, I fear that it will leave far too many loopholes that will cause more issues.


I don't know why they do this...put something out as a policy change, let people get all worked up about it, then pull it back. If it isn't a final plan, the don't put it out with that assumption. release it as a Proposal, I think it would save on the agita. Consider like when the City Council wishes to enact some ordinances or start a public project. They will often announce in the papers what they are proposing to do. Somebody out there in SanFran must have taken communications 101. :rolleyes:
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03-17-2009 06:58
Brenda, yes I agree with you and will take it a step further...

If they had come in saying very plainly we WILL be doing this, have some tentative ideas about how it could be done, want some feedback which we will take back home and further discuss, putting out a revised plan, I think it would have avoided a lot of the current animosity flying around. Less surprises and less guessing.

Not the first time they have communicated less than optimally with the residents.
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03-17-2009 07:00
From: Phil Deakins
Apparently, there would be no requirement to move. Homes are not part of it.



So I wouldn't need to make my land as "adult" and Ms Teen USA will still be able to see me flogging my husband with her flight assitant and camming abilities.

Great!!! I expected nothing less from LL!
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03-17-2009 07:15
From: Pie Psaltery
So I wouldn't need to make my land as "adult" and Ms Teen USA will still be able to see me flogging my husband with her flight assitant and camming abilities.
From what's been said so far, that's correct. They are wanting to move all Adult businesses to the new place, not all adult activities. Of course, if you sell flight assists in your store, with a big arrow pointing upwards, it might be different ;)
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03-17-2009 07:25
That does seem both pretty pointless and awful unfair to the majority of businesses like yours for whom "adult" content is such a minor part of their business. I probably have more sex furniture and sexballs on my parcel then you do yours, Phil... say "show" in my bedroom and it looks like you've been swallowed by a gumball machine. I am just about positive that my sexually themed space at home is far more "adult" then anything in your store, but I get to stay and you have to move.

Pointless and unfair.

Also typically LL.
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03-17-2009 07:51
From: Blondin Linden

However, you raise an interesting point about stores that sell sex balls and prim genitals. In my experience, people like to try on to see just what it is they are buying. And with people jumping onto and off of sex balls and trying out different genitals, then it seems to me that the overall theme of the store is sexual in nature. With search being filtered, it may benefit the person to be flagged as Adult, allowing them to advertise freely.


Odd, in my experience I have never seen a prim genitals store that lets you try out different genitals.

It makes me wonder if Blondin has ever been in one. Or is Blondin a dumb blonde?




My apologies to all the smart blondes out there.
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03-17-2009 07:56
From: Kalderi Tomsen
Brenda, yes I agree with you and will take it a step further...

If they had come in saying very plainly we WILL be doing this, have some tentative ideas about how it could be done, want some feedback which we will take back home and further discuss, putting out a revised plan, I think it would have avoided a lot of the current animosity flying around. Less surprises and less guessing.

Not the first time they have communicated less than optimally with the residents.


Even more the reason it is so frustrating, they keep doing it.
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03-17-2009 08:54
From: ArchTx Edo
Odd, in my experience I have never seen a prim genitals store that lets you try out different genitals.

It makes me wonder if Blondin has ever been in one. Or is Blondin a dumb blonde?




My apologies to all the smart blondes out there.


It takes a truly iintelligent blonde to be able to pull off a truly convinceing Dumb Blonde.
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03-17-2009 11:15
From: Kitty Barnett
I don't see them contradicting each other really.

My view is that the second makes a point that a store that targets "furniture" and happens to have some "naughty" pieces is fine where it is, as long as there aren't any "try-out models" and as long as it doesn't advertise as selling the "naughty items".

While you do target furniture, looking at your search entry you do also advertise selling sexual content ("sex beds sex rugs";). Even if your actual store is as PG as it gets (no nudity, no working displays of any kind) just advertising that you have it makes you "Adult" already as far as I understand things.

Which is what the first quote deals with: advertising adult content and having it be used in the store.
Yes, I know about the word "sex" in my search results, and I expect to have to remove it. I don't have a problem with that, or with removing the models if required. But I won't change the display items so that the animations in them won't actually work for customers. People buy copies of what's on display, and I won't change that.
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03-17-2009 11:19
From: Pie Psaltery
That does seem both pretty pointless and awful unfair to the majority of businesses like yours for whom "adult" content is such a minor part of their business. I probably have more sex furniture and sexballs on my parcel then you do yours, Phil... say "show" in my bedroom and it looks like you've been swallowed by a gumball machine. I am just about positive that my sexually themed space at home is far more "adult" then anything in your store, but I get to stay and you have to move.

Pointless and unfair.

Also typically LL.
I doubt that I'll have to move the store or anything in it, but I may be required to move the sex furniture parts of it, and my attitude right now is that I won't do that. I'm much more likely to just close down than to go along with something like that. I've already restarted the store twice (All search - once when I moved it and once when LL hadn't forseen what will happen when parcels are joined), and I don't feel inclined to do it again.
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Tiziana Catteneo
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03-17-2009 11:55
The sex continent will be empty, who need it? Noobs in the first 2 weeks of SL?
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03-17-2009 12:07
Actually, I'm in my 5th year of SL and well into my 4th decade of first life.

I think I'm going to put out a new line of bondage furniture just so I can get moved there for free.
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03-17-2009 13:02
The sex furniture makers have a problem, if "demo models" aren't available. I won't buy it, if I can't try it first.

But I admit, they have a problem now, WITH the demo models. Noobs keep coming by and using them as a Free Sex Hotel. I visited one high-traffic store that was heavily infested with them.

I think the upscale places I usually go for these things must be pretty regularly policed, though, because that was the first time I've seen anything near that bad. Up till then, the worst I'd seen was a couple of fully clothed avatars quickly shuffling through the poses, obviously checking out the product instead of each other.
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03-17-2009 13:04
Has anyone considered how this may impact live Musicians?

They need venues and they need income, the Adult venues are the ones with cash and audience. I do have Live Music at my PG Club, but I do it for love of music and (due to the discounted fees I pay top artists) the charity of the Musicians themselves. But they also need high income gigs. I suppose most of them will have PIOF, but it is still an interesting social issue if they are willing to age verify and mark themselves as frequenters of "Porn Sim World". And if most live Music follows the money to the Badlands are not a lot of the new prudish SL accounts, that LL want to attract, going to miss out on what is one of the better aspects of the SL experience?

Mental note to self: Ask Guitarists to say "Oh dear I appear to have broken a sting and for the record not a G-String" rather then the more natural response when the inevitable happens in a heavy guitar riff. I don't want to have to be Adult even when I'm over 50, not by LL definition of adult.
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03-17-2009 13:09
From: Lindal Kidd
Noobs keep coming by and using them as a Free Sex Hotel. I visited one high-traffic store that was heavily infested with them.

Those weren't noobs... Phil lets his traffic bots use them occasionally as a reward for good service. Kinda like an employee of the month plaque.
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03-17-2009 13:10
From: ArchTx Edo
Odd, in my experience I have never seen a prim genitals store that lets you try out different genitals.

Me either, but oh lord, can you imagine if they did?! Naked noob/alts with their junk out in front of them like a lance in a jousting match are bad enough with out giant "DEMO" cubes hovering over them.


From: Pie Psaltery
Actually, I'm in my 5th year of SL and well into my 4th decade of first life.

I think I'm going to put out a new line of bondage furniture just so I can get moved there for free.


I'm actually concerned about this sort of thing. As I see it, if they are changing the rules and giving free land trades (as they should) so that people can comply with the new rules what is to stop people from altering their land so they can get land on the new adult continent for free? I mean, what is the downside of being on the safe side and moving there? I'm concerned about what this would do to the overall land market.
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03-17-2009 13:11
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Those weren't noobs... Phil lets his traffic bots use them occasionally as a reward for good service. Kinda like an employee of the month plaque.
LMAO!!! That wasn't my store.They might have been my bots though because I send them to other store's models for their jollies ;)
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03-17-2009 14:05
From: Nimue Jewell
I'm actually concerned about this sort of thing. As I see it, if they are changing the rules and giving free land trades (as they should) so that people can comply with the new rules what is to stop people from altering their land so they can get land on the new adult continent for free? I mean, what is the downside of being on the safe side and moving there? I'm concerned about what this would do to the overall land market.


I think I'm going to have an alt of a friend AR me for "adult" content on a mature sim not labeled as "adult" just so I can be moved for free. I'll take a week's suspension, no sweat.

Or wait, it could be easier then that...

I could just take out a $L50 classified and fill it up the description with SEXVIOLENCEPORN. Would that work?

Let's see... land is at ridiculously low prices already and certain other recent stupid policy changes have all but destroyed the land market... let's add a whole new continent of land!!!! We're Linden Lab, after-all, and we have a reputation to live up to!
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