Blake Sea

Which is, of course, why I asked my question... is this just going to be for the Hollywood folks (who I guess are owed something for pushing the whole openspace idea to begin with) or are they going to do something about the mainland beyond Nautilus City?

Cool!

I don't know how much sailing I'll do, but it looks like it'll be fun to explore.

The prims in the NE corner of Slaaash don'd extend right to the corner. THere are some waves there, but they're phantom - so there is passage.

The same group own the Zukovsky sim to the West, which similarly cuts off Protected passage form the Western side of Nautilus to the water sims joining Nautilus with Corsica. Again, the prims don't extend right to the corner, and there is passage.

An OpenSpace sim at both the corners above would ensure that some idiot does not insist on PROPERTY RIGHTS and block it off at the click of an option.

I've sailed from Corsica right down into Nautilus,
The Northern edge going SE is a bummer as it's at Jaxipun that the prims extend to the corner. After that there are only two Linden water sims, and they are completely isolated.

The North Western edge of Nautilus is a straight set of Linden sims right down South to where the Gogol sim breaks the Protected passage. That corner is a sailing club, and still allows passage. They sold off most of the sim recently, keeping that corner, but who knows what happens tomorrow.

That gives access to a run of three Linden water sims, but then thare are two corners without protected passage before getting to the inland sea of Nautilus. The passage is still open however, although one of the private sims has prims right to the corner. I think that makes the other sim owner keep his prims away from the corner for privacy.
The furtherst South into Nautilus from Corsica that I've been is the Ishel sim. After that, there doesn't appear to be an Linden passage South.

Miracle of miracles, they must have actually responded to my plea last year, because there didn't used to be. I appreciate that, but I don't think passage should depend on the whims of a property owner... and where there are protected lands giving passage they really need to be marked... the north-east corner of Kinrara is the only safe place to cross from Turay and it's completely unmarked.

I just tried to cross from Turay and found myself frozen at Kinrara(-9,-5,2)! And I wasn't even in a boat!

Edit: they seem to have opened up Kinrara... EXCEPT for that parcel just inside the northeast corner placed just right to screw up boats trying for the passage. I am boggled.

When Kinrara was ban-lines, it was a TOTAL BITCH!
The ban lines were invisible, because they were in the sim that you were about to enter. No warning whatsoever!
You could see them from the Soth due to tthe 16m Linden strip along that boundary. You could see then up in the NE corner while you were in that little triangle of Linden land.

I have the SE corner of Nebo, so I put a cardinal mark on the NW corner of Kinrara to mark the passage.
I've not met the new owner of Kinrara. He seems to be building some sort of resort - slowly. At least that new banlined sub-parcel starts 4m inside the sim, so you have that 4m in which to freak out before hitting the lines.

Ban lines are bad enough. Ban lines on the boundary of a sim that you are about to emter are the devil incarnate.

The easiest way is to tp to one of the older sailing sims(the yacht club at Hollywood for example, or just about any sim in that area), then sail into the new linden sims.

It really is frustrating that you can't rez anywhere on the new sims, I found two tiny rezz zones by chance last night sailing through maybe 15 sims, and only one of which actually had build enabled.. it prevents you from parking and getting out of the boat to dive or explore as you can't rerezz your boat, on the larger boats such as the SeaWolf or larger Trudeaus where it's largely an attachment when driving you can't park at all as again the boat can't autorezz when you stand up from the driver's seat. Even in the smaller Trudeaus such as my Twenty it autorezzes invisiprims, I believe so you don't fall through the bottom of the boat when you stand. Not to mention unstable sim crossings where you have to relog, you can't pick up and start boating from where you left off.

I hope they improve and fix these minor issues, because the sims do look nice, I took a ton of pics on Sirens Isle last night, but without ability to rezz there's just not much appeal compared to the other non-Linden sailing sims.

This week LL also added 5 homestead regions to bridge the gap between the Corsica and the Gaeta continents - The five regions are named Murport, Jetika, Coriandmo, Landark & Sharmoon.

This now allows sailing between these two mainland continents.

EDIT: Or flying ... or swimming ... or pogosticking along the seabed .

There are also rez zones in Nautilis - Ysthyalm for example. I rezzed my Tako there and sailed into Blake Sea, then up as far as Nantucket yesterday - lots of fun

Surty.

which is the best thing ever since our home is within walking distance of the one end of that waterway and we have a little beach only 4-5 sims away from the other end on the other continent.

Excellent. I headed out there last night and sailed a Tako for the first time. It took me a while to work out how to sail on the SL winds (never sailed before in RL) and I really enjoyed it. I can this getting addictive... hmm, the freebie is OK, but maybe I need something that can run downwind on a big sail?

Good to see a lot of other people out there digging it too. I was really impressed to see a pair of Airco DH1's fly overhead in formation. I'll be back to take my steampunk Zeppelin out there later.

Awesome.

I missed the news over the weekend. But I know what this week will be.

Heh, I have sailed in RL, and the Tako is much easier to sail than any real boat could possibly be. I tried modding the Library Sailboat script to make it more realistic (things like allowing you to really get "in irons" and having to force a gybe to get out) but it got very fiddly and nobody expressed interest in THAT much realism.

I have similar problems with the "realism" of hot air balloons in SL. You should have to try burning to higher altitude and find a wind layer going the direction you want... perhaps having the Linden wind as the base at ground level and varying it based on altitude AGL. Maybe take ground slope into account and simulate terrain effects... ^^

/me holds out thumb...


Is it possible to hitchhike with someone? I've never sailed except for once in my cove with a freebie boat, and I sunk

My ship holds at least two more people, perhaps three, besides the pilot.

One thing I do have to say, though, is that I spent hours yesterday playing around in the Blake Sea and I was utterly astonished at how many people in SL seemed to enjoy sailing. Not just driving a gummi speedboat and zipping around, but actual-physics-sailing. There were sailboats just everywhere - some very large ones, at that. I used to think my brigantine was a pretty big vessel (and I suppose it still is) but I saw some racing sloops yesterday that were just impressive. And the floating-text ID markers when they were racing - clever! Just clever.

I also saw a couple of other interesting things as well. I saw the huge airship someone else had referred to earlier - it had a crew of three, with "Airship Crew" group titles, even. I saw what looked like a WWII-era submarine, with a crew of two.

I don't know where all these people and their boats have been, without all this water to play in until yesterday. But, I certainly know where they'll all be now...

I got this notecard today regarding the Hollywood Airport which is owned by MarkTwain. If I understand it right though Blake Sea is Linden Land they have given MarkTwain control over what you can and can not do there. This would apply to those that buy mainland that directly borders Blake Sea. Perhaps a Linden will comment on this.

Notecard below
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Hollywood Airport Overview
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Hollywood Airport is a general aviation airport that serves the greater United Sailing Sims and Blake Sea area along with the other six (and growing) airports of the USS.

Not only is Hollywood Airport the most centralized aviation travel hub in all of SL, it will also be the site of many pan-SL events such as flyins, air shows, and aviator community building.

No where else in SL can you find the clean air flying available in the more than 200 USS/Blake Sea sims that our USS airports afford the serious SL aviator (not to mention the direct connection to the thousands of sims of the Satori/Japanese, Nautilus and Coriscian mainlands).

General Information
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Hollywood Airport is a general aviation airport that extends landing rights and leases to military craft within the limitations of the tie down and/or hangar dimensions. No air to air combat below 250 meters is allowed.

IMPORTANT RULES:
Except where expressly stated the following aviation guidelines are in effect throughout the United Sailing Sims and the sims of the Blake Sea area. Excessive violation of any of these rules will lead to sanctions against offending pilots.

1. THE HARD DECK FOR AIRCRAFT IS 70 METERS. Except for take off and landings aircraft using the airspace of the United Sailing Sims and the Blake Sea (which is designated a Linden water recreation area) is 70 meters.
2. AIR TO AIR COMBAT HARD DECK IS 250 METERS. In those sims permitting air-to-air combat no firing can occur below 250 meters.
3. BOATS HAVE RIGHT OF WAY AT ALL TIMES. If an aircraft is performing aerobatics or flying for an extended time in a particular sim they should not do so in sims where boats are. Use your common sense by not doing aerobatics in sims over startlines and along routes boats frequent in a race. Keep you eye on the mini-map when lingering in a sim.

KNOWN areas where the above rules are modified in the USS:
1. No combat of any form is permitted in the SL New England Sims (All sims north of and including Pacific Crossing).
2. The following sims permit air to air combat below 250 meters as well as air/ground combat: (Artificial Isle Estate = Lost Isle, Gregory, Artificial Isle, Roatan, La Blanquilla, ZATZAi, Althorn Point, Rote, Great Dismal).

Airport Protocol
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1. You may temporarly leave you plane in the visitors area in front of the terminal, at the vistor's area of the seaplane base, or at a helipad for up to 20 minutes while you visit the airport area, after that it will be autoreturned.
2. The normal pattern for take offs is TO the south. The normal landing pattern is FROM the south. Take offs and landings over Hollywood sim is for emergencies only.
3. The seaplane landing area is in the waterway to the east of the airport. Abort your landing if boats or other vessels are on the water in the landing area.
4. There shall be no free lance selling of products outside of legitimate commercial vendors and displays apporved by the management.

Hollywood Airpark
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Hollywood Airport is home to another SL first. Hollywood Airpark will offer five very exclusive properties for lease. These properties include a hangar, a dock, and sky space for your home. Fly into HAX, taxi into your personal hangar, click on the teleport to your beautiful home in the sky. Relax at home while you monitor your mini-map to watch that action down at ground level. Next morning teleport down to your hangar, walk out back on the dock and sail away, or pilot your seaplane to regions in USS and beyond.

Each Hollywood Aipark parcels contains a small hangar and accessway large enough for two small planes. Behind the hanger is a boat/seaplane dock. The whiteline in the water indicates the eastern limit of your craft. The width of the dock, hangar, and access way are the limits of the width of your vehicles. The yellow line on the accessway indicates the western limit of your aircraft when parked.

HAX is home to another SL first. Hollywood Airpark will offer five very exclusive properties for lease. These properties include a hangar, a dock, and space for your home. Fly into HAX, taxi into your personal hangar, click on the teleport to your beautiful home in the sky. Next morning teleport down to your hangar, walk out back on the dock and sail away, or pilot your seaplane to regions in USS and beyond.

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The lease price for the five Airpark properties will be $45 USD per month. There are only five available. Contact MarkTwain White for further information.


General Lease Information
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Thank you for your interest in lease space as Hollywood Airport, a true airway hub between the nearly 200 sims of the United Sailing Sims / Blake Sea and the thousands of sims of three mainland continents. Non-commercial leases can be executed by paying the vendor. Commercial leases of tie downs and hangars can pay the vendor to secure the space and immediately contact MarkTwain White to arrange the additional payments. Shopping Mall spaces can be aquired by paying the leasing boxes.

Tie Down Leases (50 prims)
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-- Non-commercial (no selling, no signage) $350L per week Simply pay the vendor

-- Commercial (one plane with floating text or signage not to exceed .5 meters in any dimension) $625L
Contact MarkTwain White who will reset the vendor for commercial payment

Aircraft cannot extend beyond the marked areas for tiedowns, nor can they be outside hangars.


Hangar Leases (200 prims)
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-- Non-commercial (no selling, no commercial signage) $600L per week. Simply pay the vendor

-- Commercial $950 per week
Contact Mark Twain White who will reset the vendor for commercial payment

Shopping Mall Hangar (SW corner of airport)
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-- 5x5 Area: $400L per week. 50 prims.

-- 1x5 Area (Wall vendor): $250L per week 20 prims


Lease Rules
1. 5x5 displays are not to exceed 3 meters in height.
2. No part of any plane, vendor, or display is to be outside of the marked area.
3. No grace period on leases. Be sure to renew leases promptly.


Hollywood Airport Information
Version 1.1 January 23, 2009

The rules sound fair and reasonable...but I am very tempted to pull a Chris Norse here and ask, "who the heck is this Mark Twain character and who gave him authority to regulate LL-owned sims?"

/me pulls on her flight suit and helmet and hauls out her fastest aircraft to go do some Mach 2 aerobatics at thirty meters. With live missiles, of course. You just don't get the right aerodynamics or weight and balance with the simulated ones.

The other matter of concern is why would the Lindens give one person such an advantage over other estate owners. An example would be Bancos Milestone.. let me copy his question to Keira Linden..

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Keira Linden

We at Balsa airport (BALSA INC AVEOUSA) are one of the biggest Airports in SL and own 17 Regions one full and the others are Homestead. We spend a huge amount of money (by our standards) for Tier fees every month. Supported by our hangar rents and aircraft sales (Milestone Aircraft) It has come to our attention that the Hollywood airport, apparently operated by MarkTwain White.
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He seems to have under his control, some 35 Linden OS regions, that he does not pay Tier on. Our concern is that if this is the case, how we can get our free no Tier OS spaces to surround Avia (Balsa Airport) This provides an unfair advantage to the Hollywood Airport in terms of commerce. We would expect the same consideration for our effort in SL aviation. Could you please respond and explain how one region owner is being shown an obvious advantage over the rest of us paying customers?

Respectfully Real Bright and Bancos Milestone, Double B Enterprises, BALSA INC AVEOUSA and AVIA regions. 􀀂
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I guess if Mark is paying the tier on these 30 odd sims he should be able to make the rules but if he not then I think it is absurd that Linden Labs would give one estate owner such an advantage over other estate owners.

We at Balsa airport (BALSA INC AVEOUSA) are one of the biggest Airports in SL and own 17 Regions one full and the others are Homestead. We spend a huge amount of money (by our standards) for Tier fees every month. Supported by our hangar rents and aircraft sales (Milestone Aircraft) It has come to our attention that the Hollywood airport, apparently operated by MarkTwain White.
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He seems to have under his control, some 35 Linden OS regions, that he does not pay Tier on. Our concern is that if this is the case, how we can get our free no Tier OS spaces to surround Avia (Balsa Airport) This provides an unfair advantage to the Hollywood Airport in terms of commerce. We would expect the same consideration for our effort in SL aviation. Could you please respond and explain how one Estate owner is being shown an obvious advantage over the rest of us paying customers?

Respectfully Real Bright and Bancos Milestone, Double B Enterprises Estates, BALSA INC AVEOUSA and AVIA regions.

And why haven't they sprung for a bunch of similar sims south of the oldest airport in SL, Abbotts Field?

Real, you seem to be involved in this situation. Can you confirm whether or not the Hollywood Airport owner actually has the authority to make and enforce the rules he's posted? Have you received any communications *from LL* on the subject?

Or maybe Mr. MT W can weigh in here.

Again, I'm not objecting to the rules. And I am not, repeat NOT interested in a business dispute between two rival airport owners. I just want to know, are these rules real, or just...suggested guidelines? I want to see the documentation that made Hollywood Airport the local FAA for the region. I want to know what "sanctions" could be imposed.

I Give LL 2500USD a month tier, and i didnt even get a happy rezday card,
where i come from you patronioze a company with 28.000 usd a year your treated like gold... but here noooooooooo u give a competitor free tier

Where is the logic?
Niki Wider

There are a few concerns here I think.

First should the Lindens give one estate or small group of estate owners control over Linden Land? If this is Linden Land we as a whole pay to maintain the servers and it gives one business owner an incredible advantage over every doing business in SL.

Also why should those that live on the mainland abutting Blake Sea be penalized for landing their seaplane or flying below 70 meters because MarkTwain, and estate owner is holding and event at his Hollywood airport or having a sailboat race in Blake Sea?

Now I have no problem with Linden Labs saying such and such regions are for sailing even for sailing only if they make an equal a large number of sims available for other forms of recreation like aviation, motorboats, land vehicles and on and on. And of course that they manage them and not favor one business owner over all others.

I guess all the main thing here is if MarkTwain White as an estate owner that promotes his commercial Hollywood Airport and his other commercial endeavors in the USS is given control of 30 plus Linden Sims for free it is just plain wrong unless Linden Labs posts the criteria by which anyone who is running a business in SL can get the same advantage that it seems MarkTwain has.

Bite me.

No. Excuse me, that's not my question. I don't want to get into a debate about what's fair or not fair, or favoritism. I'm not denying that it may exist here, but what I want to know, and what nobody has yet shown, is:

DOES Hollywood Airport have the authority to issue and enforce these rules?

Show me the letter from the Lindens.

What if you own mainland that is adjacent to Blake Sea and you and your friends decide to go out for a group sail on the Blake Sea. Or heaven forbid you take your motor boats out there, you know a couple of 100 prim jobbers and The USS Estate owners decide they want to have a racing event. Do you have to pick up your boats and go home even though it is Linden Land? Even though the money to pay for these Linden regions comes out of your pockets too?

I always thought the USS had plenty of room for sailing with 130 some regions. I am not sure why Linden Labs wanted to give sailing preference over all other recreational craft in these Linden owned regions. Not sure why they would attach it to mainland and then give an estate owner or small group of estate owners control over it in a way it can give them a clear commercial advantage over all other business owners in SL.