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Askandi Ansar
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01-22-2009 10:36
From: Eli Schlegal
I think I am fine with you ignoring me.
I am not surprised as you dont like your rubbish arguing ability to be shown up.
Arielyn Docherty
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01-22-2009 10:36
From: Askandi Ansar
Is that Roman Catholic or a different sort of Catholic church.


Damn Romans couldn't even keep an empire together could they?? ;)
Amaranthim Talon
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01-22-2009 10:36
From: Brenda Connolly
It does if you are playing Fizzbin

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See that made this whole nonsense worthwhile :) knew I could depend on you-
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HoneyBear Lilliehook
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01-22-2009 10:38
From: Arielyn Docherty
If he gets good at it and starts IMing you lottery numbers, can you share? Please?


Sure!

Wait, there's some possibilities with that, for instance.....[fill your possibilities in here or read my mind and tell me what *I* think they are!]
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Eli Schlegal
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01-22-2009 10:39
From: HoneyBear Lilliehook
I just want to say...I love having my mind read....perhaps you can tell me what I'm thinking next week? :)


That's easy. You will be thinking you want me to take you out dancing. :p
Askandi Ansar
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01-22-2009 10:39
From: Arielyn Docherty
Damn Romans couldn't even keep an empire together could they?? ;)
I forgive the Romans anything because they brought sausages to England
Eli Schlegal
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01-22-2009 10:40
From: Askandi Ansar
I am not surprised as you dont like your rubbish arguing ability to be shown up.


You are horrible at the ignoring game.
HoneyBear Lilliehook
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01-22-2009 10:41
From: Eli Schlegal
That's easy. You will be thinking you want me to take you out dancing. :p


:D

Stop...yer killing me. Really.
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Eli Schlegal
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01-22-2009 10:43
From: Arielyn Docherty
You're displaying a global ignorance Eli, assuming that everyone from every country will have access to the same media coverage to which you are referring.


Trust me... whenever the media coverage is embarasing to Americans... everyone jumps on the band wagon and pays attention to it.
Talarus Luan
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01-22-2009 10:47
From: Askandi Ansar
You have used the word know a couple of times in your post when you can not possible prove it because you are speaking for other people which makes your argument rubbish. You have also used the word it but you have not stated which church you think it is that Honeybaer means either or perhaps you are Elis alt and have the same problem with naming it. Until you or Eli do name what you think Honeybaer was talking about and show what you think she was talking about then your opinions on what you think other people know arent worth jack.


I think you need to go back an re-read my post.

1) I said it was "very likely" that people in the forum "know" which church she was referring to. Not that they DID know, without question.
2) The second reference to "know" was made under the assumption that she wasn't a complete idiot. So, chastise me for making that "assumption", if you want, but I think you know where that one will go.

I don't care to name it because naming it is redundant. If you can't figure it out, that's not my problem; *I* am not the one who posted the troll in the first place.

Well, Jack isn't worth much to begin with, but at least he has the sense to spot innuendo and know it for what it is. :)
Key MacMoragh
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01-22-2009 11:05
From: Arielyn Docherty
Honeybear, I don't want to start a debate here, as you already know I am sooo with you on the issues with LL. My question to you, however, is at what age do we stop monitoring our own children's internet use? ... I don't expect LL to make my job "easier" as a parent, but I also don't want them opening the door to many things that will make my job more "difficult." Thoughts?


Arielyn, I'm on the same page as you... I'm not going to repost the same thoughts from the grid-merge thread.

Honeybear, you are exactly right. I love SL when it's working, but lately it seems that there's one big headache after another. And nothing from LL.

I get the impression sometimes that they're working on something else entirely and don't even realize that the servers are on.
Brenda Connolly
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01-22-2009 13:18
From: Amaranthim Talon
See that made this whole nonsense worthwhile :) knew I could depend on you-


Making nonsense worthwhile is what I do.
MortVent Charron
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01-22-2009 13:19
*sits on the sidelines with a cleaned wooden branch with many forks... and big bag of rainbow colored marshmellows*
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Macphisto Angelus
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01-22-2009 13:26
From: Marianne McCann
This is where I come in and say, "This ain't got nothing on October 2006."


This is where I stand by Marianne and say "right with ya'.

06/06/06 which would ruin Second Life forever and destroy the SL sex industry single handedly (see.. when involved in the sex industry you often only use a single hand).

Things are going to be changing. We saw that coming the minute a marketing guy was put in charge of LL.

BUT.. here we still are. And if we weren't someone else would be. ;)
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Puppet Shepherd
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01-22-2009 15:28
I'm still trying to figure out how there can be a train wreck if the trains aren't running. :confused:
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Brenda Connolly
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01-22-2009 15:31
From: Puppet Shepherd
I'm still trying to figure out how there can be a train wreck if the trains aren't running. :confused:


The trains are running. There just isn't anybody driving them.
Puppet Shepherd
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01-22-2009 15:49
From: Brenda Connolly
The trains are running. There just isn't anybody driving them.

/me puts on a nifty hat, hops on a train and starts driving!

Oh wait... someone said train wreck, didn't they? Perhaps I'll hop off and wander far away from the tracks.
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Yngwie Krogstad
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01-22-2009 16:42
/me thinks this thread needs this addendum:

Just ignore this and let it die.

:D

Edited: Or should I say "Just ignore this and let it crash"?
Nae Mayo
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01-22-2009 17:35
From: Arielyn Docherty
Honeybear, I don't want to start a debate here, as you already know I am sooo with you on the issues with LL. My question to you, however, is at what age do we stop monitoring our own children's internet use? I ask for a reason. In another thread, someone mentioned being with a child at all times while he/she is on the grid. That would mean sitting right next to the child, which is certainly feasible and perhaps even advisable MOST of the time. In my case, I have a fifteen year old; a twelve year old; and a seven year old. Each has his/her own computer with computer time limited dependent upon age. My seven year old is only allowed on the computer in the dining room; is only allowed to visit sites I have previewed (Webkinz, Ty, Neopets, etc). My oldest two, however, have their own computers and are SUPPOSED to be only on sites we have discussed. I check the history on both computers periodically, I have filters on both, and to some extent want to TRUST them to be "on their own." Their doors are always open, so I can pop in at any time, and do, to see what they're doing online. I guess my point is that it would be nearly impossible to sit with all three, every time one of them wants to access the computer. I don't expect LL to make my job "easier" as a parent, but I also don't want them opening the door to many things that will make my job more "difficult." Thoughts?


It doesn't matter whether parents monitor their kids in SL or not. The politician will do the job. And if they find any minor having sex in SL or stepping into virtual drug store, they will get SL shutdown for good.
Dagmar Heideman
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01-22-2009 18:52
From: BB Bohemia
Not at all. It expresses the far-sighted vision that I share with Linden Lab and a number of organisations that would be prepared to explore the potential of SL for major projects that foster creativity and learning in people of all ages.

Unfortunately many people are unable to see beyond their own paradigms of what SL is or could be. These are based on SL as it is now, and reinforced by an aversion to change. This underpins many of the frankly ludicrous 'arguments' against any form of positive development for SL.

Merging the grids is just part of a much bigger picture.
Still waiting to hear what this far-sighted vision is. Opening the grid to teenagers stifles creativity and learning for people who are not teenagers because there are certain subjects and concepts and projects which are not and will not be generally deemed by most communities to be suitable for discussion, or exposure to teenagers. Please explain how that fosters creativity. That is like saying that if one forbade the production and release of all films that were rated R or NC-17 or did not carry a rating that it would foster creativity in the film world.

Linden Lab has been willing to host adults on an invitation basis into the teen grid to interact with teen residents in creative and collaborative ways so why have all these organizations to which you refer (and fail to name) made no attempts to be invited into the Teen Grid to mentor and collaborate with teen residents? What evidence can you present that merging the grids will stir these alleged organizations out of preexisting apathy to interact with the teenage community when the grids are merged?

Still, this is only one subject of narrow focus among potential issues with merging the grids upon which you chose to apply your tunnel vision when, ironically, you spoke about "a bigger picture"

There are, for example, concerns about what will happen regarding access permission to regions, either by action of the region owners or Linden Lab itself, in connection with the still controversial and flawed age verification system overseen by the data mining business to which Linden Lab currently contracts the service.

You can feign erudition by making vague references to far-sighted vision and trite meaningless comments about how any arguments contrary to your view are based on an aversion to change (they are not) and are "ludicrous" but it wont compel anyone to treat your statements as anything beyond rhetoric unless and until you are willing to clarify your premises and address specific arguments against your claims.
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01-22-2009 18:59
From: Dagmar Heideman
Still waiting to hear what this far-sighted vision is. Opening the grid to teenagers stifles creativity and learning for people who are not teenagers because there are certain subjects and concepts and projects which are not and will not be generally deemed by most communities to be suitable for discussion, or exposure to teenagers. Please explain how that fosters creativity. That is like saying that if one forbade the production and release of all films that were rated R or NC-17 or did not carry a rating that it would foster creativity in the film world.

Linden Lab has been willing to host adults on an invitation basis into the teen grid to interact with teen residents in creative and collaborative ways so why have all these organizations to which you refer (and fail to name) made no attempts to be invited into the Teen Grid to mentor and collaborate with teen residents? What evidence can you present that merging the grids will stir these alleged organizations out of preexisting apathy to interact with the teenage community when the grids are merged?

Still, this is only one subject of narrow focus among potential issues with merging the grids upon which you chose to apply your tunnel vision when, ironically, you spoke about "a bigger picture"

There are, for example, concerns about what will happen regarding access permission to regions, either by action of the region owners or Linden Lab itself, in connection with the still controversial and flawed age verification system overseen by the data mining business to which Linden Lab currently contracts the service.

You can feign erudition by making vague references to far-sighted vision and trite meaningless comments about how any arguments contrary to your view are based on an aversion to change (they are not) and are "ludicrous" but it wont compel anyone to treat your statements as anything beyond rhetoric unless and until you are willing to clarify your premises and address specific arguments against your claims.


You saved me the trouble, I was just going to reply to BB. But my reply was just going to be:

lolwut?
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Nae Mayo
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01-22-2009 19:43
From: BB Bohemia
Not at all. It expresses the far-sighted vision that I share with Linden Lab and a number of organisations that would be prepared to explore the potential of SL for major projects that foster creativity and learning in people of all ages.

Unfortunately many people are unable to see beyond their own paradigms of what SL is or could be. These are based on SL as it is now, and reinforced by an aversion to change. This underpins many of the frankly ludicrous 'arguments' against any form of positive development for SL.

Merging the grids is just part of a much bigger picture.


No, you are not far-sighted. You only see a single side, the education side. Everyone know there is could be a good source of revenue for LL. But to do so, LL have to convert entire main grid as PG. Does that means LL has nothing to loose doing that?

What makes SL so appealing is its diversity.

Imagine I have to order a statue of Zeus without nipples, statue of David must put on underwear. And no female statue with uncover breast. Bye bye all my lesbian and gay friends and wave Hello Kitty.

Since you are so far-sighted, please enlighten me
Elizabeth Barrett
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01-22-2009 20:57
No, I don't think so. I've been here in SL since 2003, and for the most part, it just keeps getting better.

Lizzie
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01-23-2009 00:47
From: Dagmar Heideman
Lots of stuff.


To be honest I have neither the time or inclination to argue details on a forum like this. One look at some of the preceding posts will explain exactly why. However, I am always happy to elaborate and discuss things in voice in-world, though my time is very limited.

Neither, I'm afraid, can I write in an open forum about projects being considered by - for example - a major UK terrestrial broadcaster and media business.

As I cannot go into detail, it's best that I don't get drawn into any further discussions in this thread, so I won't be revisiting.

All I really need to say anyway is 'watch what happens'.
Cherry Czervik
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01-23-2009 01:18
From: BB Bohemia
Not at all. SL has run more smoothly over past weeks and months than any time for me before that. A few minor glitches over the past few days but nothing really. Honestly, whenever there are a few temporary grid problems people start this kind of sky-falling nonsense. Or if people can't log in for a couple of hours all the toys come flying out of the pram.

As for merging teen/main grids... excellent idea and long overdue. Time to get rid of all the stupid fake-sex stuff and the people who get off on it. Time to open SL up to the possiblity of effective educational projects. Time for SL to become the platform it always had the potential to be.


Nice low post count there :) Thing is, sex made SL and a lot of people really don't want to lose that element. Even people like me who never hop on poseballs, what else would we have to point and laugh at?

This, folks, is what I see Linden's version of the future to be. Imagine a giant aqua stylised hand smashing you in the face. Forever.

PS for the lolwuts ... read between the lines dearies, BB can't elaborate any more, do the flipping maths.
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