Stop The Resize Scripts!!!

yes.

I prefer resize scripts because they make the item go below the minimum size.

Obviously I think so. (http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-3448)

Yea, screw the grid!

granted that's a lot of scripts to push, but a server script waking 25 distribution scripts (that just push scripts out and turn off) could knock it out in roughly 30 seconds. (granted it's a n extreme case, and will probably spike script time fiercely for a minute. SetLink is still a better choice in most cases) fortunately script pins are not dependent on the original calling script being active (or even present) so when all those fresh running copies hit, they can also be turned off after running (you may even be able to remove them completely). to my knowledge there isn't a per object limit to the speed of pushing the new scripts, only a per script time delay. of course if I screwed that up then please feel free to shoot me =)

@Brianna:
one bad design doesn't make all similar products bad.

Ahem .... I have a set of prim eyes that uses a resize script that alters everything at once, or just a specified dimension .... and trust me, it's bloody easier to edit it that way and have a 'reset' button than to mod it directly and LOSE the original size if I need to start over.

Copy the original values? Great idea ... except that the clipboard only stores one value at a time.

Copy them all into a notecard? Great ... now I have an extra notecard I have to later delete.

Copy the item itelf (if it's copiable)? Great ..... now there are extra sets that need to be deleted ...

I think I'll take the scripts, lag or not. There are WORSE lag inducing scripts out there people.

Personally, I don't agree with the difficulties claimed but the lag IS a problem and if everyone loads up with hair, boots, eyelashes, belts, sculpted items and walks around with 600+ scripts, how well do you think that LOW LAG sim will perform when 20 to 40 scripted out avatars turn up for that event?

They are NOT necessary once fitted but people don't or can't take them out and they add up and that is the bigger picture.

Go figure...

Are they mod?

What's wrong with providing resize scripts for the people who find them convenient (which I expect to include most newbies) and leaving the attachments mod-enabled (which is a sine qua non for most experienced residents)?

That would be the best of both worlds.

I, too, never buy no-mod clothes or hair, but I realise that resize scripts might make it easier for newbies.

The REAL problem as previously stated several times over is that the end user does not remove the scripts when they have finished resizing (no copy items aside).

Sassy--what if some clever scripty-person made it that when the (copy of the) object is properly resized, in order to save the setting the scripts are automatically deleted. The most commonly used resize scripts have this feature, but the owner must opt to use it.

That's fine, as long as the item is copy and you don't end up with a wrongly sized no copy item and second, that the item is modify in the first place (remember, no mod doesn't stop someone making a copy anyway) so that I can actually fit it to my shape.

I won't buy belts that are no mod, with a resize script for the same reason hair, it's such a pig as has been demonstrated in an earlier post to have any hope of moving and sizing prims. I've seen far too many belts that are ovals and well...we have hips, we're not oval now are we?

copy/mod for prim items, the only way to go, scripted resize or not and i'd rather have the scripts be annoying to the point of spamming the wearer to resize and remove them finished.

Personally, I'd rather deal with a no mod object with the script in it - preferably the script type used in my prim eyes.

Sorry but, yet again, there are worse scripts in terms of lag induction and quite frankly the WORST lag induction can be caused by other sources.

Heck, ANY script with a listen event in it can cause lag - even if properly coded: It is still listening isn't it?

At the least the resizing script is only listening for a small list of commands: What about that nice, brand new multifunction weapon or gadget that Avatar X bought? The one that listens for both menu driven and chat based commands and possessing a list a mile long?

Properly coded, the above would produce very little lag, especially if the rest of the listens were disabled until a specified chat command was sent or the menu itself activated.

0.5ms of script lag for the script type you've seen? If that's such a problem for you then I'd suggest packing it in. I have seen some objects with such bad scripting that they have ground execution of other scripts to a bloody halt. Others have ground the sim itself to a stop by just being there - some of these made intentionally .... others the result of a typo during script testing.

My point? Don't sweat the small stuff.

At a venue where you get 60 avatars of which you can easily get several thousand resize scripts doing nothing except drag down the performance, i do call that a problem when people are complaining about lag. I know theses other stuff to but there is a difference between an item that has an ongoing function versus carrying around scripts that are doing nothing. Give me a reason to be wearing resize scripts when you are not actively resizing.

Resize scripts in hair is a VERY bad idea.

All we need is a "resize-yes/no" checkbox. Keep the rest no-mod, and let the end user scale the object. The remaining scripts needed to do texture swapping, tinting, etc, are pretty easy on the servers.

We just need a "no you can't modify, but yes you can scale". That would effectively put an end to most resizing scripts.

i'm curious ..using a re-size script .you need a script in each prim don't you in order to re-size them all??

if so that's a lot of scripts
on a set of eyes you would have two..on a skirt with 246 prims you would have 246 and hair..i've seen hair with more than 350 prims..

that would add up in a populated sim if it is script per prim..

actually set link prim parameters can be run from a single script(slow), or even a small farm of them in the root or a sub prim(faster), and could be shut off(only impacts the sim during adjustment) all from the scripts themselves...

the problem here isn't all those extra scripts so much as all of them sitting idle when they're barely used...

a script that isn't running is a script that isn't affecting others

I like to have mod rights on my items.
But once an item is modify-able it has to be copy-able too...
and thats is something a content creator never does.

It would be MUCH better if all items are sold
Mod
Copy
NO Transfer

At least it would work for me.
Since not ALL avatars are having an average seize.
There are many modified shapes, avatars that still like to wear belts, clothings, backpakcs etc etc etc..

So it all starts with the content creator..
Just make your items Mod and Copy and thats it.

thank you i was curious about that

Well that belt that is the wrong shape when it is too small will still be the wrong shape when it is larger...

Just to play devil's advocate, are your real life clothes mod/copy? Or are they mod/xfer? This debate can go on forever. Let's say I sell you a prim belt mod/copy. With a few tweaks, you now have 20 copies in all different colors and textures.

FWIW, most of my stuff is mod/xfer. Some are no mod/copy. Some are mod/copy/no xfer. It all depends on the item (and the price).

Nothing in making something resize OK that says you can't allow x,y,z changes. Of course LL would have to allow linked prims to scale that way. Which they don't.

Kallisti Burns of Discord Designs does that. All her hair is modifiable. The newer styles have resize scripts as well. Which I suppose makes it easier for people who aren't comfortable editing complex items. And if you don't want to use the scripts (which I don't), you can just pull them out and resize it the proper way.

Personally I would not even buy any prim item that attaches to my avatar that isn't fully modifyable. Resize scripts just aren't always sufficient. For example I like to wear hats, and I need a copy of a hairstyle modded to fit the hat, this often means re-sizing a prim in one plane only, or moving (not re-sizing), or even unlinking and deleting it altogether. None of these things can be done with resize scripts.