Stop The Resize Scripts!!!

(No General topic but this is starting to annoy me now.)

This is a disease spreading throughout content. It does not make it easier to size things and it does not stop things being copied but this isn't my complaint.

IT'S THE DAMN SCRIPTS AND THE LAG!

I've just bought a skirt that a) I don't like the fit of, can't sensibly modify to fit because repeatedly clicking the item, then "this prim", then +/- whatever is just insane but b) 246 prims with resize scripts!

So as a test, I sat on an object and pulled up the estate tools and this skirt has scripts that consume 0.5ms. Doesn't sound much but when I add in Damselfly hair, one of the other main culprits of the same scripts, that's another 0.5ms.

Yes the instructions say take them out when done but then I also have a hat which is resize scripted, but no copy. So I don't wish to take them out because then I can't change the hat ever again in future.

Now if anyone thinks these numbers are insignificant, I did some tests a few weeks ago and a "typically scripted avatar" with AO and a couple of other things was between 0.2 to 0.3ms. Add in Damselfly hair, some jewellery with channel 0 bling on/off listeners and I was easily over 1.2ms and have observed a couple at a dance place at nearly 5ms for just those two with scripted shoulder pets and all their other junk.

Take a look at the sim statistics in shift ctrl 1, Time (ms), Spare time and think again how this junk affects a sim with 0ms available.

Best bit is, these people come to a place and then bitch about lag.

*sighs

Yup. Agreed.

Please don't take the resize scripts away! They're the best thing to come along in a long time. Specially for smaller avatars!

Lagy? Perhaps, but well worth it in my opinion.

Wouldn't there be a way to turn the scripts off and on when you need them?

I LOVE MY RESIZE SCRIPTS!

Sorry to disagree

RUN!!!

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- Newfie

I don't think you can even take out the Damselfly hair scripts.

It's too bad, 'cause I absolutely LOVE their hair. But I hate the scripts, not only because they lag the sim, but because they make it *harder* to edit the hair.

Newfie wins teh intenetz toodai!!111!

Other people's hair lagging the entire sim is not "worth it" in my opinion.

I'm sure most of this can be resolved applying good programming practices.
The problem here is that learning LSL is easy compared with other programming languages so almost anybody without prog knowledge generates scrips but they are unaware of the consecuences of bad practices becose they just don't know it.
I remember suffering the same problem in my firsts DOS programs made with Basic.... oh... those years.....

a little OT but there are 246 prims in the skirt???

What I don't like are items that let you remove a bling script but then don't let you put in a scrub script (so it still blings).

Being a small avatar has nothing to do with your ability to resize.

have you tried opening up edit once you got it resized and just setting the scripts to not running?

Or do they kick in again on rez?

All it really takes is some practice to be able to properly resize skirts and hair.

Mostly creators use the scripts so they can not allow modify on their stuff (which does not save it from being ripped off) - very few do it because it makes resizing easier for a very small percentage of people.

I thought these scripts were put in so the creator did not need to set the item as modifiable - and I further thought that if the item is no-mod, then you cannot take the scripts out of it.



I did not think you could do that on no-mod objects.

246 prims for a skirt?must be one nice skirt..hehehe

Exactly. If resize scripts were about adding customer convenience they would be put in AND the items would be left modifiable. I have never seen that though.

I just won't buy no mod hair and clothing. Being able to resize something with scripts is no guarantee you can make it fit properly.

I'm often tempted to drop a nicely worded notecard on creators who have gone with no mod/scripted items letting them know why I won't buy from them, but I never have. I guess I assume they understand their choice and are willing to lose sales from people like me.

I think scripts like this usually have an delete function built in. When you are done using them, it is an option in the menu to delete them, and the scripts eat themselves.

The script itself has a remove-me option but like someone else said I'm not gonna do this in a no copy item. Also the script only works with growing/shrinking the item but doesn't work at all if you need to do something asymmetric.

This!!

Not only do I sometimes mod the size of a skirt or hair, but I will adjust individual prims - including positioning and rotation - and that cannot be done on a no-mod item. Additionally, with hair, I like being able to tweak the color a bit.

Right. If the object had modify permission, one wouldn't need the clumsy resize scripts, and you can't turn off scripts in no-mod objects.

Most likely there's a script in each prim because it's faster to just tell all the prims to adjust at the same time, rather than wait a built-in script delay between each prim's adjustment if controlled by a single, central script.

Here's an annoyance: A central script could tell each of those scripts to stop themselves, but there's no way for it to get them started again. As mentioned, that's a problem for no-copy items.

The (ugly) way I'd get around these problems is to put a bunch of slave scripts in the root prim, controlled by the main resizer script. By having a bunch of the slave scripts, the delay between adjusting prims can be arbitrarily short, approximating the speed of a separate script in each prim. As long as those scripts are in the same prim, that main script can turn them off and on again when necessary.

An even uglier way (which I don't think I've ever tried) could be to push a running copy of the per-prim script out to each child prim when needed, then tell them to remove themselves when done adjusting. This isn't practical, though, because the "script pushing out" function (llRemoteLoadScriptPin()) delays the calling script by 3 seconds, so for an object with 246 size-adjustable prims, just setting up to resize would take over twelve minutes.

But it's all very silly anyway. It's not as if just resizing an attachment ever results in it looking right without having to go into the editor and move it around--so it's invariably easier to just use the editor to resize it in the first place.

There are a few, very few, no-mod products that I will buy... but only because they are so good and so far better than the competition that they're worth it to me. I made one non-trivial product long ago no-mod, briefly, and I sent everyone who bought it a modifiable update.

All of these have no more than one or two scripts in the entire object. Hundreds of scripts... that's just rude. Make it moddable and get rid of the resize scripts.

i understand people wanting to use scripts for things like tons of prims in one attachment..but to make the item no mode is just silly..
i had some boots with sizing scripts in them and i can never get them to fit asi want them..but the item is no mode so they never will..

things like that should be copy mod no trans..
i would much rather be happy with the boots while i had them that upset over not being able to give them to someone when i am done with them..because thats what it's gonna end up being..not happy with them so now i have to give away boots that never fit hahaha

i love Ferritts (however it is spelled)
we had two of them..i loved when they did the happy dance hahahaha

Oh it most certainly does.

Try resizing a belt with little tiny prims in it, you have to edit each individual prim by itself and it never comes out right.

The resize scripts totally solve that problem.

If you right click the item and edit and do set scripts to not running in selection, would that help the lag?

i wish i could get a belt to fit the mesh..anything thick on the z axis and it's like yes like my new floating belt..yes yes it is a hover belt..it's the new style