No entry! No entry! No entry! No entry!

At the risk of re-animating this done-to-death thread ZOMG!1one1!1 I actually had a good idea. Admittedly, someone else had thought of it already, but I take what I can get.

Vote for https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-3661!!!

i`d rather have them walk into some ugly ban lines if i ever ban some one or else i might aswell make a park with only a bench...













d`oh! nm, did that

Quite independent of the security orb, it seems kinda risky to have renters without setting the land auto-return. I tried that in more peaceful times, but after I experienced my first grid-wide griefer attack, resulting in my poor tenants not being able to rezz anything for all the crap scattered around my parcels, I learned that auto-return is my friend. I guess I just don't see how it's "a bother" really, and if anything I would have expected that the security orb might marginally increase the amount of debris to clean up.

Actually, I would. I use security orbs to keep my skies clear, up to 768m as well. I also prevent object entry, build, scripting, and flight (except for group). Once in a while when I'm playing with friends we turn the health on for some play.

What I would like is this - minimap view on restricted parcels (one warning method)

Two, count them, two slider bars - one controls the visibility of ban lines while you are on land you own, or a group you belong to owns (by deed); and the other controls it when you are off those lands

In effect the second part would let you see banlines when travelling, and have clear views when at home - or not, or the other way around..your choice.



Put it at 500m and its fair. If banlines go that high so I can have my skybox, I'll open above 500m.

Sounds risky to me!

How about 5000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000m?

This way you can ban any extraterrestrial life forms that may be hovering up above your land in a distant far off galaxy somewhere.

But *why* do you prevent object entry? What are you trying to accomplish with that? Does it really have the desired effect, whatever that is? (Unless you don't have auto-return set--in which case, why not?) I'm not being argumentative, I'm just trying to understand what people are trying to achieve by using different bans--especially object entry.

Ban lines aren't allowed in the area where I live, it's part of the covenant. My objection to them on the mainland is when flying from A to B. My parents have a fence round their land in RL to stop people walking across it, which is fair enough - but they don't have nets up in the sky to stop aircraft flying over it, and that's the SL analogy.

If I'm walking along a street in SL then I'm not going to deliberately walk into someone's house or front garden, and wouldn't resent ban lines if I did. But when I'm flying due North at 80m and suddenly crash into a ban line, it's annoying.

Actually, my security orb *is* polite. It says "This is Damien and Cyrus's home, and is private land. Please either pass through, or turn back" and gives them 30 seconds to do so before ejecting. That's not unreasonable. The 30s means that people flying over the land to have a look at the neighbourhood in general can safely do so without being kicked.

In practice, I don't turn it on when I'm not at home, but that's because I have lockable doors. Yes, I *know* you can just rezz inside my house if you want and play in the hot tub, but it does stop the problem of unknown visitors who don't necessarily realise it's private and walk in through any door that's openable.

SL strangers having sex in my bed *shouldn't* bother me - it's not like they make the sheets messy - but it does

The first orb I bought kept hassling my neighbours, who fortunately were pleasant enough to find it amusing rather than being angry with me. The one I've got from Omega is perfect, and the customer service seems good too.

Object entry is an obvious one for me. I don't have auto-return set, because an architect built my house for me and included some non-transferable trees in the garden. The house is mine (he "sold" it to me for $0 after building it to make sure I got ownership), but the trees are non-trans so they're still marked with him as owner. If I set auto-return, my trees would go.

Also, I live with someone, but the land can only have one owner as far as I know, and that's me. If I set auto-return, then my partner can't build anything in the house. The obvious solution is to make object creation and entry available to group only. In our previous place, I got pissed off with coming home and finding wooden cubes lying all over the place!

Here's a suggestion for those trees:
Scare the hell out of your neighbours by cutting 16 plots or 32 or whatever under the centre points of the trees. Have no auto-return on those plots, but auto-return everywhere else.
Yeah! I know :0 But it would work.

Building by others:
You don't have to deed the land to the group to allow group members to build.
Just Set the land to Group, and set the appropriate permissions for group member roles.

Thanks. I understand the non-transferable trees problem. (Ick!) But just FYI, if not for that problem, you could set auto-return as long as the land was set to group (apparently it is) and all objects are also set to group. (Note that this is *not* about group-*owned* land, nor group-*deeded* objects.)

But a follow-up: does no object entry actually work for you? You don't find stuff sneaking through anyway? And maybe more of a problem: you don't find crap stranded at your parcel border, just out of reach to be able to return it? (Maybe all your neighbors have auto-return set, in which case this latter problem wouldn't arise.)

No object entry works for me.

Access restrictions will block avatars - not prims - up until 50m AGL.
Object entry will block prims - not avatars - at any height.

Which of the two do you think causes the most inconvenience to vehicle users? Something you can see and that only affects you for 50m, or something invisible that affects you at any height?

To solve the encroachment problem, object entry will eventually include child prims that are about to overhang a parcel border, which means that instead of worrying which parcel the main prim of your vehicle is on you'll have to start worrying which parcel(s) the entire linkset covers. If any part of your vehicle were to even graze a parcel with object entry turned off, you'll stall without a clue of where to turn.

Again, access restrictions only affect an avie up until 50m AGL. If the land is at 35m, fly up to above 85m and you won't have to worry about "banlines".

Urgh! I know for sure I am overhanging a parcel by a whole metre, at a height of 760. I'll be sorting that out when I get home, it was 3am and I was being commanded "bed or else" and not even in the good way. Boo.

The rotation goes like this

*Cheating
-is Sex in SL RL cheating?
-do people cheat within SL on each other?

*Sex
-Is SL sex stupid?
-Should SL sex be banned?
-Are the Lindens Out to ban Sex?
-Should I be spying on my neighbor having SL Sex?
-Why is it no one wants to have SL sex with me?

*Banlines
-Are they ugly?
-Should people have the right to put them up on their own land?
-Should the right to explore ever be denied?

*Land
-Are land prices too high?
-Are Land Prices too low?
-Are Land prices just right?
-Why did a Landbot steal the land I was giving to my friend?
-Why does LL allow Landbots anyway?

*Traffic
-Why should there be camping?
-Why shouldn't there be camping?
-Should Trafficbots ve allowed?
-Should Campbots be allowed?
-Why do we need Traffic for anyway?
-Should Phil be allowed?

*Shopping
-What is the best skin?
-What is the best hair?
-What are the best clothes?
-What are the best Shoes?
-How Come X avatar ripped me off?
-Why doesn't anyone buy from my shop?

*Economy
-Is it going up?
-Is it going down?
-Where do I get ostrich lessons?

*Clubs
-How do I make a club?
-How come my club never makes money?
-How do I get those crazy traffic numbers without camping?

*Voice Chat
-Should it be banned?
-Should people realize its not going to be banned?
-Should people stop overhyping it?
-Should people stop underhyping it?
-Does voice chat prejudice exist?
---against voicers?
---against non-voicers?

*Goreans
-As a former Everquest player, is Gor for me?
-Is Gor a mockery of real BDSM?
-People actually believe this Gor stuff IRL?
-There are Gor BOOKS?
-What is this Gor about anyhow?
-Why do Goreans push their Roleplay on others?
-WHy isn't Gor Banned?

*Furries
-Why do people do the Furry thing?
-How come every Furry on the forums claims they don't Yiff?
-Is Furry Sex Bestiality?
-Or is it Yiffing?
-Is Yiffing Beastiality?
-Why isnt bestiality and furries banned?
-Is the fact that people cant tell the difference why the Furries wont admit they Yiff?

*Roleplay
-Why do people roleplay?
-Where is the best place to roleplay?
-Why cant people tell the difference between roleplay and imagination and privacy?
-Why do some people have to roleplay all the time and never have a rl self?
-Why are some people obsessed with their RL selves to the point they don't want others to ever roleplay?

*Verification
-Why should I have to verify?
-Why don't little Billy and Cindy have to verify?
-Why cant Billy and Cindy have to verify but somehow leave me out of the process?
-Why is the process so limited?
-What is Integrity going to do with this information anyhow?

*The Forums
-Why are the forums so mean?
-Why is there no General Topics area?
-Why are the forums doomed?
-Why are the forums not doomed?
-How do I join the clique?
-How do I not join the clique?
-What clique?

*Linden Labs
-Are they stupid?
-Are they smart?
-Are they Crazy?
-Are they Crazy like a fox?
-Is Dan L the father of Brenda's Prim Babee?
-Is Chris the father of Robin L's Prim Babee?
-Why does Phil L wear that codpiece anyhow?

*Former Rotation Items - still brought up but no longer independent categories due to bans.

-banking
-gambling
-ageplay

It's not there yet, so you can get away with it for a few more months at least .

It's one thing that's on the roadmap post-Havok 4, and part of the things they want to address before allowing arbitrary prim sizes.

Colette, ROFLMAO.

You left out:

Goreans (Great Gorean Auctions!)
Furries (Free Accounts Will Make More Furries!)
Prim Babies (Stop to Sell Babies in Boxes!)

/me wipes the lemo off her screen

thanks for that Colette, Isablan!



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oh wow

I just woke up not too long ago - so maybe I can blame that!

Ill go back and edit my post!

What about:

Stipends missing
Landlords stealing land or selling their sim
Alts; creating 2nd account; my alt ate my main etc
More often lately; Temp rezers

More I couldnt think of atm




Starting to realize there is a huge list of topics that just cycle 'round n 'round n 'round *gets dizzy and wanders off*

Colette's List should be made a sticky.

Just consult Colette's list before posting. If your topic is on the list......dont bother posting.

RA, would then have about 3 new posts a week.

Both the minimap view and the slider bars are excellent ideas.

As for a recourse, those aren't recourses, they are different ways of controlling access. Banlines are not a right because if LL decided to remove them tomorrow you would have no recourse against LL to enforce your "right" to have banlines. You could do all sorts of other stuff to protect your land from invading hordes, but you couldn't force LL to give you banlines back. Therefore, they are merely part of your license to use SL.

That was totally my fault for the misunderstanding. I got sloppy in the way that I wrote my post. If I'd been more clear, the misunderstanding would not have happened.

Well y'know what they say.. possession is nine tenths of the law.

GET OUT OF MY THREAD!!

Sling, Qie and Kitty - many thanks for the suggestions. I'm not sure I'm allowed to parcel up land according to my covenant, but I need to play with the access stuff a bit more. I have a group, and set most of my objects (when I remember) to group ownership so some of those suggestions should work.

I'm on pretty good terms with my neighbours, and will be adding them to my security orb access list when I next turn it on. Some of the branches of one of the trees does overhang my neighbour's land, but she's quite happy with it, and I checked with her before placing it - so I don't really want to scare the hell out of my friendly neighbours

Kitty - thanks for the info; I didn't realise that ban lines were only effective for a range of 50m, that's useful to know.

Lol. I see what you did there.