Just How Bad is the SL Economy

Have a drink of:



It does wonders for your complexion.

By the way, are you ever not calm? You are always calm, cool and collected and it is refreshing.

people telling me to calm down is only going to irritate me.

my impression of the comments about not allowing transfer to be able to keep a handle on stuff being resold (or illegal copies being sold) makes sense, but only if one never ever did a transferable item, or keeps track of the items that were transferable


basically what I understand it as, is if she doesn't allow people to resell, and one of her loyal customers tell her they see her stuff for sale elsewhere, then she is pretty darn sure that it is an illegal copy...

am I correct in this interpretation?

(if so, then it is her reason to not allow transfer)

not sure where no mod comes into the picture though (and not entirely sure what the op of that comment sells, so would a mod item be easily copied and resold?)

*shrug*

I would not fault either side for their decisions, and I would hope that people do not fault me for choosing to set the permissions I do.

If my products are no transfer, then that means ANY ONE ELSE selling my items (Which would indicate at transfer permission on it) is doing so illegally.

Let me see if I have this straight. You are saying that even if you made your items transfer, you would consider reselling one of your items an illegal act and for that reason do not allow transfer?

Is that really what you are saying?

Let me see if I have this straight. You are saying that even if you made your items transfer, you would consider reselling one of your items an illegal act and for that reason do not allow transfer?

Is that really what you are saying?

I didnt read it that way.. and anyhoo.. methinks another thread is needed for transfer or not neverending story.

**EDIT**
Ok, i think I may have just misunderstood you. No, if i purposely, or accidentally, made an item transfer, and someone was reselling it, of course that is not illegal. What is illegall, however, is someone ripping textures and reselling it as their own creation. By marking my items no transfer, if I spot someone selling my items, I am 99.999999999999999% sure it is ripped before I even look at the creator name.

So for that one moment it takes to check you severally curtail the choice you offer to your customers?

Again it does not seem like a good reason to me.

For a start if they are selling more than one copy, if they are all legal then they will be in separate boxes as the items will be no copy. If they are illegal they will be able to sell it the way you do.
If it is a single copy for sale then it is likely to be resale.
Thieves do not go to the trouble of making illegal copies to just sell one or have a handful of boxes that are single instances to be sold as a finite source of them.
This is all trivial to discover.

Look at the damn box already and stop bringing up these lame excuses for why it cannot be done or is a bad idea.

Yes Rhaorth, I am glad you understood me. i really try not to engage in conversations via message boards. Too many misunderstandings and people getting upset over it.

Now, I do understand that at times I may make a mistake, or SL may glitch, and an innocent person may end up with one, or some, of my items transferrable. in which case, they can resell it all they want. That`s fine.

Making my items no transfer is not a cure against thieves, i`d be foolish to think so. But life has been so much easier when it comes to spotting the real thieves.

Any shop with bulk inventory selling my items more than likely obtained those items via a ripping program and needs a DMCA filed against them.

If my items were transferrable, people would just think "Maybe they bought a ton of copies and are selling them".... That is not an issue when your items are marked no trans

oops sorry, did not know you were a he (happens to me too, except I am a she and get called a he) heh

gabriele, I do not see where he said that they have or he would put transfer permissions

my take is... illegal copy means yes, they used copybot or some other means to recreate the item that he holds the intellectual rights too (I think that is what it is called) and when alerted he can then, if he chooses, file a dmca as no one has the authority to resell his stuff, as he doesn't use transfer on them.

(at least that is how I understand it)
by using no transfer he ensures himself that no one can resell his stuff other than through illegal means (meaning things such as copy bo\

gabriele you said
"How could it be an illegal copy? Either it was purchased somewhere along the line and therefore it is not illegal in any way or it was copybotted and the perms you use do not matter. The latter being obvious because the creator name is different."

copybotting IS illegal as far as I know, so therefor it would be an illegal copy and YES in that case the permissions do make a difference, as he doesn't sell them transferable, therefor someone has an illegal copy...


jess you said
"Having no mod items does not hurt me. At least not to a degree that I can feel. SL is what I do to pay my bills and mortgage in RL, so I must be doing something right..Some how."

which is why I made my comment about no mod...


Edited to add, I typed too slow, but anywho.. leaving the post anyway, just to show I understood what "he" was saying (hehe) sorry again about calling you a she...

By marking my items no transfer, if I spot someone selling my items, I am 99.999999999999999% sure it is ripped before I even look at the creator name.

*Plays the Violin*

you are welcome and glad I understood it correctly, and I agree with your reasoning

besides, even if I didn't, where would I get the right to tell you how to set your permissions

I still feel a bit embarrassed that I thought you were female.

You misread me Rha as did Jesse at first.

He is saying he does not give transfer because it would make detection of illegal items harder. So I theorized about what could happen if he did give transfer. What would be so difficult about detecting an illegal copy? It would have a different creator ID wouldn't it? If it didn't then it was not illegal.
However I was not sure if Jesse was saying that he considered all sales not by him to be illegal even in the hyperthetical case where he had gone with transfer as the option. I have heard this line trotted out by some vendors.

I never said that Jesse does transfer, anything I said in reference to that was doing a "what if" scenario.

The point of this debate is not to tell anyone what to do with their permissions. It is to either verify or debunk certain myths and memes that are being repeated about the dangers of offering mod and/or trans. So far nothing has stood up to much scrutiny in my opinion.

Therefore I debunk it hoping that other vendors who are new or have not decided what perms to offer may know that these so called "good reasons" for not offering trans (especially) or nothing but fluff and waffle.

OK I get what you are saying... but what gives you the right to tell him to sell them any other way than what he wants to

how is he severally curtailing the choice of his customers?

If they want his stuff, they will buy it regardless of the permissions. Not everyone is so hell bent on having specific permissions as others are.

The point of this debate is not to tell anyone what to do with their permissions. It is to either verify or debunk certain myths and memes that are being repeated about the dangers of offering mod and/or trans. So far nothing has stood up to much scrutiny in my opinion.

and you said basically the same thing to me when I put my reasoning's out there for specific ways to do things and the possible why's

IF it works for someone, what is wrong with letting people know about choices and the reason those choices are made?

we are not here to "debunk" anything, at least not to my knowledge...

(my impression was that we were sharing the reasons why we (or others) may do things they way they do)

was I incorrect?