Just How Bad is the SL Economy

Mod/Copy is chosen because it is best for the vendor (if their opinion) and not because it is necessarily what the user base wants.

If I prefer mod/copy, I would tend to think that is what everyone wants, even though (of course) that is not the case. The fact is that the user base does not prefer mod/copy, or transfer. They are pretty evenly divided.

That is really not the case.

For every consumer that wants mod/copy, there is another that wants transfer. For every creator out there who makes mod/copy, there is one that makes transfer. Because of prim limitations, we have to basically choose which we will offer. I prefer mod/copy on clothing that I wear, so that is what I make. It has nothing at all to do with my customer being able to sell my product later and therefore losing me a sale.

People tend to think in terms of themselves. If I prefer mod/copy, I would tend to think that is what everyone wants, even though (of course) that is not the case. The fact is that the user base does not prefer mod/copy, or transfer. They are pretty evenly divided.

If someone wants a transferable item, they will go to a creator that can give them that. There are plenty of them out there.

In the grand scheme of things, the number of sales I might lose because someone else resold my item would be negligible and not worth my concern.

If that is true how did you determine that the majority of your future customers would prefer those perms? You didn't, you either went with what others were offering because it seemed normal or you went with what pleased you.

From the beginning, I have created clothing for myself first. I never really thought about the differences in permissions, until I saw one of the many debates about it. When that happened, I actually went to Hippotech and spent $$$L's on a vendor so that I could offer that option to my customers, via the vendor. I copied everything and boxed it up with a special tag so I wouldn't mix it up with the other perms (which was quite an undertaking, maintaining copies of both permission sets, etc. and not putting the wrong ones out or in the vendor). After many hours of work and lots of L's spent (those vendors are expensive), I had exactly one sale in 2 months from the transfer vendor.

At that point I realized that it wasn't worth my time and effort to maintain both systems, and 2 copies of everything in my inventory. I preferred copy/mod myself, it appeared that my customers also preferred it, made my choice and it is what it is. Took the vendor down.

Like I said, I realize that some people only want transferable items. To that I say, people who sell transferable items need customers too, so it's all good.

edit: woops was typing or getting coffee or outing the dog when you made your 'don't wanna derail' post, sorry lol

Fair enough - it may well be the segment of the market you are in does for the most part want mod/copy. I still believe there is significant profit to be made from people wanting mod/trans though and whilst I acknowledge the validity of your experience I know that many people I have spoken to are like me. The subject often comes up for discussion in world with people I know.
lol don't worry, I am not going to act as forum cop lol

I offer a choice whenever I can but it is such a pain in the arse and then you get distracted and can't remember if you've set the perms....or maybe that's just old age getting to me!

For clothes and attachments I prefer Copy while I want them and Transfer for when I dont. Usual story ya =)

This just something for people who are wondering which way to go when deciding how to set the perms on clothes they make.

I bought a pair of jeans a while ago. When I get and open up the folder it had 2 pairs of jeans in, both the same. Except that one pair was Mod+Copy and the other Mod+Transfer. After a while I didnt want them anymore and gave the Transfer pair to someone else and put the Copy pair in the trash. It just made me feel better when I was able to do that, like it wasnt a total waste of money.

However the new bulk perms setting changes should make life a little easier at least.

However the new bulk perms setting changes should make life a little easier at least.

This is also one of my pet hates, if it's not copy, why not make it transferable.

Originally it was literally impossible to make anything that was neither copy nor transfer.

some want mod transfer some want copy mod some want just transfer some want everything

Interesting, I guess this explains why when you take copy perms off, transfer automatically gets ticked.

not sure why anyone would want to offer both copy and transfer in the same box...

The people who "just want transfer" would be satisfied with "mod/transfer".

I won't buy ANYTHING that's no mod unless it's truly stupendously good, or it's effectively free. To me, "no mod" on anything but a freebie says "I don't care about my customers".

"One for you, and one to give to a friend".

I've seen people sell stuff that way. They treat the no-copy transferrable version as a demo. That's about the only case where I could see *selling* a no-mod item, because that version of it is effectively a freebie... and yet the ones who do this, don't make them no-mod.

sometimes mod is not necessary though...

(and yes I am aware that if they want just transfer, then transfer mod would be ok for them)


as for the sometimes mod is not necessary... take for instance a black bikini... why would you need to mod a black bikini??? (can't change the color)

or a pair of panties that have multiple colors, color changing that would make it look strange (in some cases it might even remove the pattern or whatnot)

then on the flip side

in some cases mod is something that just makes sense... hair for instance (especially mod/copy) make a hat hair version, adjust prims when needed etc

I will not buy hair unless it is mod/copy

although being able to give away hair I no longer use would be nice...

it all boils down to one thing, we can't have it all

Can you please point me in the direction to read more about these "Bulk Permission" settings?

Thanks

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When is this being introduced?

Upcoming Viewer changes/features
This is a small collection of stuff to come, scraped from office transcripts and code changes in the LL code repository, as of today:

* mass-permission changing of object contents and settable default permissions of uploads in the 1.23 viewer

* Able to turn off the display of banlines

* Ability to change viewer fonts

* Seperate microphone volume setting

* Automatic turning off of the mic if you end an IM call

* The client not fetching individual clothing textures from avatars anymore, before those avatars get to sending the baked texture (The client used to fall back to baking the texture itself if it couldn't get the other av's baked one in time)

* Reintroduction of the discard button for landmarks

* Finally a fix for the damn right-click-fails-on-avatar-bodies bug

* Texture loading improvements

* Changing the size of the land terraforming brush with a floating numerical value based on meters instead of the crappy 3-type setting we have right now.

* 'Abuse Report' entry in the avatar pie menu

* Overhaul of the notifications (i.e. blue popups etc.) system. Will allow fancy things like different notification queues, code cleanups and schtuff like more feature-laden and differentiated notification types.

* Lots of internal cleanups and protocol changes going on


EDIT:

Shadow code has entered the render-maintenance branch. Hmmh.

Why say no (mod) when you can say yes?

Mod doesn't hurt you.

No Mod does. (through loss of sales)