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Avawyn Muircastle
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12-18-2008 06:48
From: Betty Doyle Didn't we establish with your "holey boot" issue in another recent thread that your computer was the issue and not the creator doing shoddy work? I seem to remember when you tried to turn up your mesh detail slider for objects SL went haywire. I'd expect that if your graphics card was just a little low on the memory side, it might slow you down, but that doing what you described, you may be running on a card that isn't even up to the minimum requirements. Before you mention your new monitor and playing with it's settings, it has nothing at all to do with it. Did you ever get these issues straightened out? I just don't think you should set yourself up as a reviewer when you can't even see things as they were meant to be in SL due to hardware limitations. No it wasn't my computer. I had to make my own black socks as the shoe base was nude which was the problem. And I brainstormed this on my own that making my own socks or leggings might work, just as making my own prim shorts would work for certain skirts I recently bought that came with panties only but no prim shorts. Therefore, when moving the skirts look like they have holes in them, and I only recently learned how to make my own clothing. These are what my posts said, along with the fact that I learned to make leggings just recently but these have no texture or detail to them whatsoever, just a color. As far as the skirts I need to fix, I need to see if I can somehow drag the texture to make the prim shorts. I think I can do this, but still this is false advertising. It should say, need to make your own prim shorts or socks the color of the boots to hide the holes, notecard on how to do this included.
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Phil Deakins
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12-18-2008 06:50
From: Avawyn Muircastle All SL magazines involve payment period. And therein lies the problem. All magazines need readership in order to survive, and, imo, the readership needs to believe that the reviews are not only genuinely unbiased, but also are for their (readers) benefit. For a magazine to have any credibility, it must offer information for the readers' benefit and not just for payment, or at least be believed to do that. You have stated that yours won't do that, so, imo, yours won't be a credible magazine in that sense. From: Avawyn Muircastle People aren't going to work their butts to advertise your stuff for free. Credible magazines make their money from advertising, and not from getting paid for reviews. If I want a niche magazine to tell me about the niche topic, then the it must include everything that is of interest for the topic, and not just the things that they are paid to include. That's what credible magazines do. They are often provided with items for that purpose, but if they are not provided, then they still acquire the items because they publish content for the readers. They sell advertsing to make money. From: Avawyn Muircastle Oh, another thing, members of my family has been involved in the fashion industry since the 1940's, fashion designers, models and buyers for huge well know department stores, and now I have one cousin who is Vice President of the largest fashion designing school in Los Angeles which has much prestige all over the world. I've kind of grown up in fashion and art worlds with my Dad being in show biz. I also have a passion for creative design and know a lot about many fashion eras from the Victorian to the 20's to the present, and all others in between. To be honest, I don't see any relevance in all of that. E.g. I don't see how your cousin's job, or your dad's showbiz experience, or your own eBay experience, has anything to do with your planned SL magazine. If you want experiences, I was in showbiz (professional singer/instrumentalist/entertainer), I wrote monthly columns and one-off articles for a number of color glossy computer magazines, I had an extrememly successful one-man business in which I invented, manufactured and sold computer add-ons, and I've had other successful one-man businesses, but, even though *I* did all that myself (not other members of my family), none of it has any relevance here.
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12-18-2008 06:54
From: Avawyn Muircastle No it wasn't my computer. I had to make my own black socks as the shoe base was nude which was the problem. And I brainstormed this on my own that making my own socks or leggings might work, just as making my own prim shorts would work for certain skirts I recently bought that came with panties only but no prim shorts. Therefore, when moving the skirts look like they have holes in them, and I only recently learned how to make my own clothing. These are what my posts said, along with the fact that I learned to make leggings just recently but these have no texture or detail to them whatsoever, just a color. As far as the skirts I need to fix, I need to see if I can somehow drag the texture to make the prim shorts. I think I can do this, but still this is false advertising. It should say, need to make your own prim shorts or socks the color of the boots to hide the holes, notecard on how to do this included. prim pants and prim socks.. mymy .. where are you attaching them to? If youre already wearing boots/skirt, i presume you mean system socks and glitch pants.. prim stuff is a little yellow box thingie you attach to your avatar.
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Betty Doyle
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12-18-2008 06:58
From: Avawyn Muircastle No it wasn't my computer. I had to make my own black socks as the shoe base was nude which was the problem. And I brainstormed this on my own that making my own socks or leggings might work, just as making my own prim shorts would work for certain skirts I recently bought that came with panties only but no prim shorts. Therefore, when moving the skirts look like they have holes in them, and I only recently learned how to make my own clothing. These are what my posts said, along with the fact that I learned to make leggings just recently but these have no texture or detail to them whatsoever, just a color. As far as the skirts I need to fix, I need to see if I can somehow drag the texture to make the prim shorts. I think I can do this, but still this is false advertising. It should say, need to make your own prim shorts or socks the color of the boots to hide the holes, notecard on how to do this included. But you were never able to turn your Objects slider up, which is why you had the holes in the first place. Your socks are just a work-a-round. They are not fixing the underlying issue. The fact that you think it would be possible to drag a texture off of a skirt not made my you in order to make glitch pants, tells me you really don't know how things work in SL. This is totally not possible. I do agree that creators should include glitch pants with skirts though.
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Betty Doyle
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12-18-2008 06:59
From: Phil Deakins To be honest, I don't see any relevance in all of that. E.g. I don't see how your cousin's job, or your dad's showbiz experience, or your own eBay experience, has anything to do with your planned SL magazine. If you want experiences, I was in showbiz (professional singer/instrumentalist/entertainer), I wrote monthly columns and one-off articles for a number of color glossy computer magazines, I had an extrememly successful one-man business in which I invented, manufactured and sold computer add-ons, and I've had other successful one-man businesses, but, even though *I* did all that myself (not other members of my family), none of it has any relevance here.
Agreed. I have a RL degree in fashion design. Didn't help one bit in knowing how to build a prim skirt.
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Avawyn Muircastle
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12-18-2008 07:02
From: Betty Doyle But you were never able to turn your Objects slider up, which is why you had the holes in the first place. Your socks are just a work-a-round. They are not fixing the underlying issue.
The fact that you think it would be possible to drag a texture off of a skirt not made my you in order to make glitch pants, tells me you really don't know how things work in SL. This is totally not possible. I do agree that creators should include glitch pants with skirts though. No, I turned the object slider up and it fixed some of the holes in the boots put not all, and that was turned ALL THE WAY UP AND STILL HOLES! I already went thru this. I had to make my own black socks to hide the holes period. Turning it up all the way did no good, even to the ultra setting. I don't want to go over this anymore. Thank you! Oh and yes I did drag a texture and it works.
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Avawyn Muircastle
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12-18-2008 07:07
From: Phil Deakins And therein lies the problem. All magazines need readership in order to survive, and, imo, the readership needs to believe that the reviews are not only genuinely unbiased, but also are for their (readers) benefit. For a magazine to have any credibility, it must offer information for the readers' benefit and not just for payment, or at least be believed to do that. You have stated that yours won't do that, so, imo, yours won't be a credible magazine in that sense.
Credible magazines make their money from advertising, and not from getting paid for reviews. If I want a niche magazine to tell me about the niche topic, then the it must include everything that is of interest for the topic, and not just the things that they are paid to include. That's what credible magazines do. They are often provided with items for that purpose, but if they are not provided, then they still acquire the items because they publish content for the readers. They sell advertsing to make money.
To be honest, I don't see any relevance in all of that. E.g. I don't see how your cousin's job, or your dad's showbiz experience, or your own eBay experience, has anything to do with your planned SL magazine. If you want experiences, I was in showbiz (professional singer/instrumentalist/entertainer), I wrote monthly columns and one-off articles for a number of color glossy computer magazines, I had an extrememly successful one-man business in which I invented, manufactured and sold computer add-ons, and I've had other successful one-man businesses, but, even though *I* did all that myself (not other members of my family), none of it has any relevance here. See my experience as you like.
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Phil Deakins
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12-18-2008 07:10
From: Avawyn Muircastle Question:
How would a marketing consult help me the consumer save time, money and connect me to what I'm looking for?
A SL magazine does. How would a marketing consultant help me, the consumer? A business consultant is nothing to do with the consumer. S/he is a consultant to the business owner.
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Betty Doyle
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12-18-2008 07:11
From: Avawyn Muircastle No, I turned the object slider up and it fixed some of the holes in the boots put not all, and that was turned ALL THE WAY UP AND STILL HOLES!
I already went thru this. I had to make my own black socks to hide the holes period. Turning it up all the way did no good, even to the ultra setting. I don't want to go over this anymore. Thank you!
Oh and yes I did drag a texture and it works. Well this is what you said in the other thread: From: Avawyn Muircastle Okay I tried that and couldn't move (got totally lagged down AND my screen colors completely changed as well as clarity and I couldn't see -- it became blurry). So that didn't work for me.
Next, I made black socks for my black boots and it worked. No more moth eaten holey shoes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :very happy:
and then this: From: Avawyn Muircastle Yes my rl bf and I have thought about upgrading our graphics so I can see better, BUT the graphics did change to an awesome quality once we got this new large screen. We do, however, still need some time to fiddle with the screen. For instance, bright lights hurt my eyes, so he set the brightness for me at 2! But, we still haven't downloaded the disc that comes with this new monitor which supposedly tweaks colors, saturation, hues, etc. But mostly this new monitor I couldn't be more pleased with and in itself has improved the graphics quality.
No mention that you still had holes after you turned up the objects slider, but then with the colour change, blurriness, and lag, I'm not sure how you could accurately access it anyway. If you can drag a texture off of a skirt that wasn't created by you, I'd like to know how. That would be a major permissions issue. If you can actually do that, what is to keep someone from making their own things with someone else's textures and selling it??
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Avawyn Muircastle
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12-18-2008 07:12
From: Betty Doyle Agreed. I have a RL degree in fashion design. Didn't help one bit in knowing how to build a prim skirt. It helps in understanding style, but if your prim skirt looks cruddy on and you still don't have the expertise to do it, don't sell it until you know how to and have confidence it is a product for people worth spending money on and that you are proud to sell as a well made, wears well product. With SL having no quality control department leaves the consumer without a way to retrieve monies spent for poorly made or misrepresented items.
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Ralektra Breda
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12-18-2008 07:16
I'm totally curious. Holes in the skirts? Does this refer to the stretching issue that occurs on system skirts, where the leg peeks out from time to time? Or to the spaces that appear between prims on a flexi skirt? I'm confused.
(yes everyone should include glitch pants with a skirt, to be honest I have never gotten a skirt that didn't have them...I did make a short skirt once that came with a thong rather than glitch pants but since it was a short skirt, the stretchy holey thing didn't happen there (short system skirt I mean)
It is not possible to drag a texture from a prim to system clothing. I wish it were, it would save $$ on uploads...
I am not a rl fashion designer and I don't know any (well I have a friend that comes up with some pretty off the wall stuff sometimes but she doesn't sell it) but do sew and have made my own clothing from patterns etc. It was laughable how I tried to apply that to SL (like thinking that a prim cuff 'must' be hollow so your arm can go in).
You say you are an artist of sorts IRL, my advice is to start making some clothing, it is the very best way to learn about how SL clothing works.
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Avawyn Muircastle
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12-18-2008 07:17
From: Betty Doyle Well this is what you said in the other thread:
and then this:
No mention that you still had holes after you turned up the objects slider, but then with the colour change, blurriness, and lag, I'm not sure how you could accurately access it anyway.
If you can drag a texture off of a skirt that wasn't created by you, I'd like to know how. That would be a major permissions issue. If you can actually do that, what is to keep someone from making their own things with someone else's textures and selling it?? You are knit picking now. I'd say calm down, take a deep breath. Yes, the slider up caused more lag but see above DID NOT FIX THE HOLES! Making my own black socks did and I got to keep my settings where I like them. That's still no excuse for not including colored shoe bases or prim shorts. And yes I can drag a texture. And if I use the texture of the skirt so I can match the shorts, how is that stealing? I purchased the skirt already, now I need to hassle making shorts that match. Jeeeeeeeeeeesh! One rule of thumb in business: The customer is always right. Treat them right, or chance losing them altogether.
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Phil Deakins
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12-18-2008 07:17
From: Avawyn Muircastle Oh and yes I did drag a texture and it works. Not from a prim, you didn't.
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Betty Doyle
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12-18-2008 07:21
From: Avawyn Muircastle It helps in understanding style, but if your prim skirt looks cruddy on and you still don't have the expertise to do it, don't sell it until you know how to and have confidence it is a product for people worth spending money on and that you are proud to sell as a well made, wears well product.
With SL having no quality control department leaves the consumer without a way to retrieve monies spent for poorly made or misrepresented items. Yeah, but I thought we were talking about craftmanship. You can have all the style sense you want, but it's not going to help you know why some things are the way they are in SL. It's a completely different set of tools.
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Cristalle Karami
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12-18-2008 07:21
From: Phil Deakins And therein lies the problem. All magazines need readership in order to survive, and, imo, the readership needs to believe that the reviews are not only genuinely unbiased, but also are for their (readers) benefit. For a magazine to have any credibility, it must offer information for the readers' benefit and not just for payment, or at least be believed to do that. You have stated that yours won't do that, so, imo, yours won't be a credible magazine in that sense.
Credible magazines make their money from advertising, and not from getting paid for reviews. If I want a niche magazine to tell me about the niche topic, then the it must include everything that is of interest for the topic, and not just the things that they are paid to include. That's what credible magazines do. They are often provided with items for that purpose, but if they are not provided, then they still acquire the items because they publish content for the readers. They sell advertsing to make money.
To be honest, I don't see any relevance in all of that. E.g. I don't see how your cousin's job, or your dad's showbiz experience, or your own eBay experience, has anything to do with your planned SL magazine. If you want experiences, I was in showbiz (professional singer/instrumentalist/entertainer), I wrote monthly columns and one-off articles for a number of color glossy computer magazines, I had an extrememly successful one-man business in which I invented, manufactured and sold computer add-ons, and I've had other successful one-man businesses, but, even though *I* did all that myself (not other members of my family), none of it has any relevance here. QFT. And this post shows exactly why Avawyn needs to spend more time inworld observing and learning SL's business models before spouting off. All of the top magazines earn their pay through advertising. Blogs can also monetize that way by selling ad space. Anyone who's been here for a sufficient length of time understands this.
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Phil Deakins
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12-18-2008 07:22
From: Avawyn Muircastle And yes I can drag a texture. And if I use the texture of the skirt so I can match the shorts, how is that stealing? I purchased the skirt already, now I need to hassle making shorts that match. Jeeeeeeeeeeesh! You don't seem to understand the language yet. You didn't drag a texture from a prim skirt. What you may have done is drag a texture from the prim's Content, but that's not the same thing at all.
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Cristalle Karami
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12-18-2008 07:24
From: Phil Deakins Not from a prim, you didn't. Not unless the creator put the texture in the contents of the prim.
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Avawyn Muircastle
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12-18-2008 07:25
From: Ralektra Breda I'm totally curious. Holes in the skirts? Does this refer to the stretching issue that occurs on system skirts, where the leg peeks out from time to time? Or to the spaces that appear between prims on a flexi skirt? I'm confused.
(yes everyone should include glitch pants with a skirt, to be honest I have never gotten a skirt that didn't have them...I did make a short skirt once that came with a thong rather than glitch pants but since it was a short skirt, the stretchy holey thing didn't happen there (short system skirt I mean)
It is not possible to drag a texture from a prim to system clothing. I wish it were, it would save $$ on uploads...
I am not a rl fashion designer and I don't know any (well I have a friend that comes up with some pretty off the wall stuff sometimes but she doesn't sell it) but do sew and have made my own clothing from patterns etc. It was laughable how I tried to apply that to SL (like thinking that a prim cuff 'must' be hollow so your arm can go in).
You say you are an artist of sorts IRL, my advice is to start making some clothing, it is the very best way to learn about how SL clothing works. Skirts with panties only, no prim shorts were included and showed holes when the avatar moves. Oh and the dragging thing might be incorrect. I just hit texture and was able to choose from many textures in my inventory to make clothes. Oh and yes, I have sewed since I was 9. I was always interested in making and designing my own clothes. As for me to be a SL designer, I have very bad eyesight and what I have left is very precious to me. This is one of the reasons not sure I want to spend so much effort into a magazine right now. I do need a new eye check from my eye doctor, but I think he would be quite mad at how much time I spend on the computer as is. But my middle distance vision CANNOT in any way be corrected and my far distance glasses are good for TV but not for seeing much else at all. It's a long, complicated story. My close up glasses I use the most because I can keep adjusting more and more magnification. However, my posts will always be shoddy cuz I can't see well. I've worked on photoshop and suffered terrible, terrible eye pain and fatique. Pain so bad I couldn't sleep. Eye muscles can get strained and hurt just like any other muscle strain. However, my finished photoshop products were quite good and I enjoy the creativity of it a lot, but the eye strain is of concern cuz we only get one pair of eyes. My eye difficulties will not get better over the years, only worse. I am glad I can still see for close up work but needs to vary magnifications quite a lot.
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12-18-2008 07:26
From: Avawyn Muircastle I didn't receive the landmark. Also, I am doing the research as I have considered starting a second life magazine on the excellence of SL fashion, with five star awards being awarded.
BLAH BLAH BLAH
Furniture does not apply as it is already shown in 3D view. Not interested in gadgets either. This would be a fashion magazine. Neko exclusive or other types of exclusive costuming to rp would not be included, but if I were looking for say great Gothic clothing, I'd love a magazine to reference through, but I'd like that magazine to focus on Gothic and accessories as time is money. Saving me time and money -- I'm all for it! And as SL as no product control department, I'm glad to have found the magazines which I've only been using for about two weeks but it's made my SL shopping go from searching for a needle in a haystack to wonderful! Couldn't be happier to have found the magazines. What a great advertisement 
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Ralektra Breda
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12-18-2008 07:27
I was just wondering...should I get some popcorn?
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12-18-2008 07:28
From: Avawyn Muircastle Skirts with panties only, no prim shorts were included and showed holes when the avatar moves.
Actually you will find many people prefer skirts that can look good without glitch pants. As glitch pants look unrealistic and stupid when we walk. I prefer to see a bare leg in a mini skit ith them earing undies of their choice then some bring pink 1/2 covered leg. There is actually a significant market for these skirts. Guess you still ahve some research to do into market trends and consumer desires
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12-18-2008 07:29
From: Ralektra Breda I was just wondering...should I get some popcorn? ooh yes please! Im hungry. Can i have plain popcorn with chicken salt?
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12-18-2008 07:32
From: Avawyn Muircastle <snip>
However, my posts will always be shoddy cuz I can't see well.
and the quality of the product you will be reviewing is based on workmanship alone? Avawyn, just relax, go have some fun, visit some interesting places on SL, etc. Stop posting. The more you post, the more you reveal yourself as someone who really has no idea what they are talking about. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's true. You can't win here, you are arguing moot points with people who actually know what they are talking about. (is this a manic episode?)
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12-18-2008 07:33
From: Betty Doyle Yeah, but I thought we were talking about craftmanship. You can have all the style sense you want, but it's not going to help you know why some things are the way they are in SL. It's a completely different set of tools. I disagree! I had to make those socks to make the boots have no holes! The designer was just careless no ifs ands or buts about it period. In short, make colored shoe bases not nude shoe bases for boots. Fixed the hole problem pronto.
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12-18-2008 07:36
From: Avawyn Muircastle I disagree! I had to make those socks to make the boots have no holes! The designer was just careless no ifs ands or buts about it period. or you didnt edit them well??? You are fairly new in SL and to be honest it took me several months to get the hang of editing individual parts to be able to make ANY item fit me as long as it is mod.
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