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Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-18-2008 09:51
From: Avawyn Muircastle Excuse me I'm way beyond exhausted from this run around knit picky thread.
SHORTS to go under a skirt so that the flesh doesn't show through as holes when the prims of the skirt move. and those are not PRIM skirts if you are going to complain about something get it right (they are commonly known as "Glitch shorts" and are not... I repeat NOT made from prims) if you are way beyond exhausted log off the pc and get some sleep you are the one who started this whole discussion with your comments about fluff prims and when folks disagreed with you, you got all in a snit...
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Eclectic Wingtips
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12-18-2008 09:52
From: Avawyn Muircastle SL has NO QUALITY CONTROL DEPARTMENT ON WHAT IS SOLD ON SL! ! Yep, you are right. But in my opinion there shouldnt be. SL is a community that is created by the residents for the residents. If LL decided who was allowed to sell their wares then this becomes something very different. An olygopoly (look it upif your unsure what it means). Big companies pushing out the little guy who is still leanring about business. My stuff isnt perfect. But asking LL to moderate the content avaliable for you to purchase is not their job nore should it be. You make a choice what you buy. Make wiser ones. I am curious... who is the designer of these boots you keep talking about?? are they well known?? Every mod pair of boots i have ever purchased i have been able to make fit me and i have an unsuaully large shape in sl. If i can fit them to my shape unless you are a very odd shape in SL i cant see how you couldnt fit them to yours Oh and my boot folder count is up in the 300 range |
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12-18-2008 09:54
/me dives into a woman-only thread, risking life and limb to offer his powers of same-language translation to assist with mutual understanding. Pep ("Prim shorts" = "Glitch pants" 
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Avawyn Muircastle
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12-18-2008 09:54
From: Rhaorth Antonelli you are not a very nice person are you?
just because people do not agree with you, doesn't mean you have to wish bad on them (which is what you are doing with these comments)
FYI, yes I have disagreed with your comments, and the reason I have is because after nearly 3 years in SL I tend to think I might have a bit more knowledge than you in some areas, and one of them being clothing and such... and having a store
how can you tell us, what works in a store and having a business, when you do not even have one yourself???
by the way... I do not treat my customers like I have treated you, after all, they are not trying to tell me how to run my business, nor are they telling me I am doing it all wrong...
I treat them with respect, kindness, consideration, and offer to assist if they need it, the way a customer deserves to be treated
I treat you with aloofness and I do not respect your comments (can't say if I respect you or not, don't know you), because your attitude stinks, you seem to think you know it all, and those of us who have been doing it for years, know nothings....
take your "know it all" attitude elsewhere, I know I do not need it and am pretty sure in guessing others do not want it either.
now if you wish to discuss the in's and out's of being a business owner and designer/content creator in SL, with an open mind and not try to tell me I am doing it all wrong, then by all means, let's have an adult discussion...
If you would rather just sit here and blow hot air, and treat me like I know nothing, then forget it I don't want to prejudge you either, but you and Phil come across as very pompous. You think your posts are "nice" and Phil thinks his post are "nice"??? Ummmmmmmmm.... no. And in business, the customer is always right. That's the attitude you need to approach things from and be an ethical enough person to sell the best products you can because SL has no quality control department on the things sold on SL. So SL consumers are taking chances with their money, but have no way to retrieve their money. Not so on SL furniture because you can see what you are buying in it's 3D form. |
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-18-2008 09:56
From: Avawyn Muircastle SL has NO QUALITY CONTROL DEPARTMENT ON WHAT IS SOLD ON SL! So some consumers are rightly po'd! and RL has quality control??? hmmm nope. not really (ok so it has some, for legal, health, safety issues) but not for crappy workmanship if you go to any place and buy something and it is not working as it should, you can not always return it same with SL you can not always return things, especially for the reason already posted... (no transfer = no refund) maybe it is not shoddy businesses in SL as much as you being a too picky, too fussy consumer trying to find fault with everything... you remind me of the people who complain about everything... even free stuff
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-18-2008 10:00
From: Pserendipity Daniels /me dives into a woman-only thread, risking life and limb to offer his powers of same-language translation to assist with mutual understanding. Pep ("Prim shorts" = "Glitch pants" I beg to differ pep prim shorts implies they are made from prims...glitch pants as pretty much everyone knows, are pants made on the system (appearance) menu... BIG... HUGE difference if one is going to complain about something, they need to use the proper terms, else it causes confusion
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12-18-2008 10:01
personally....i believe that being supportive and offering encouragement and constructive input is the way to act in a professional manner...name calling and wishing ill will on people is not. And disagreeing is also NOT unprofessional.
In sl many of us support one another...there are a number of people in this thread that have helped me and that i have helped. my goal is to make a better product and to help others succeed.
Again, this is not rl and unless im mistaken i have not seen a RL quality control board that governs all creations that are in the real world either. sl mirrors rl, it just works differently.
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Czari Zenovka
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12-18-2008 10:03
From: Phil Deakins When you have something that's worth applying for, come back and let us know. That
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Avawyn Muircastle
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12-18-2008 10:03
From: Rhaorth Antonelli and RL has quality control???
hmmm nope. not really (ok so it has some, for legal, health, safety issues) but not for crappy workmanship
if you go to any place and buy something and it is not working as it should, you can not always return it
same with SL
you can not always return things, especially for the reason already posted... (no transfer = no refund)
maybe it is not shoddy businesses in SL as much as you being a too picky, too fussy consumer trying to find fault with everything...
you remind me of the people who complain about everything... even free stuff Oh brother. I don't know where you are from or how old you are, but you are not a very wise shopper then. Always ask about a return policy in rl before you buy. All things I own are try before you buy, except computer software for maybe one. Even food is returnable in America if you keep the receipt. I'd say 99.9% of items are refundable in America, if not 100% if you buy on a credit card. If you buy on a credit card, you can cancel a transaction within 72 hours of purchase and refuse payment if the person won't give you a refund. |
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Phil Deakins
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12-18-2008 10:05
From: Avawyn Muircastle Well, go cry then because the people in this thread have no professionalism whatsoever in how to deal with a customer. And the creators not returning my IM's, forget about it. Too much junk on SL to be worth the money anymore since there is no quality control department. I don't think anyone is crying here - not me anyway. And nobody in this thread is/was dealing with a customer, so you have no evidence about our professionalism on that score. It sounds exactly like sour grapes, because you are not being seen as you would like to be seen here. |
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Eclectic Wingtips
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12-18-2008 10:05
/me waits to see if i will find out who made these boots that have been so complained about.
I would like to see if i have a pair by them
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-18-2008 10:08
From: Avawyn Muircastle I don't want to prejudge you either, but you and Phil come across as very pompous. You think your posts are "nice" and Phil thinks his post are "nice"???
Ummmmmmmmm.... no.
And in business, the customer is always right. That's the attitude you need to approach things from and be an ethical enough person to sell the best products you can because SL has no quality control department on the things sold on SL. So SL consumers are taking chances with their money, but have no way to retrieve their money. Not so on SL furniture because you can see what you are buying in it's 3D form. and I repeat.... you are not a customer (at least not one of mine) and I never claimed that my posts are nice... not sure why you think that you think my posts are pompous... I think yours are full of hot air and coming from someone who got caught not knowing what they are talking about so they resort to insulting people instead of learning from those with experience.... guess that makes us even oh I am not prejudging you.. I am judging you based on what I have seen thus far... nothing pre about that...
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Avawyn Muircastle
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12-18-2008 10:10
From: Eclectic Wingtips /me waits to see if i will find out who made these boots that have been so complained about.
I would like to see if i have a pair by them Oh I have lots of boots that I need to make under socks for. I already stated that several days ago. Which pair do you want to see? The one pair I've fixed or the others that still need ME TO HAVE MAKE THE UNDER SOCKS IN THE SAME COLOR SO THE FLESH OF THE FOOT DOESN'T SHOW THRU! And, it's been this way since before the last update of SL. So the latest update of SL or my monitor has nothing to do with this hole problem which has been going on for months in which I stated I spent over $60 of wasted money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Eclectic Wingtips
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12-18-2008 10:15
From: Avawyn Muircastle Oh I have lots of boots that I need to make under socks for. I already stated that several days ago. Which pair do you want to see? The one pair I've fixed or the others that still need ME TO HAVE MAKE THE UNDER SOCKS IN THE SAME COLOR SO THE FLESH OF THE FOOT DOESN'T SHOW THRU! And, it's been this way since before the last update of SL. So the latest update of SL or my monitor has nothing to do with this hole problem which has been going on for months in which I stated I spent over $60 of wasted money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! /me giggles... L$60 boots?? I would bet 100L you purchased L$60 worth of freebie boots or ripped boots, which of course dont have the socks cos they ae ripped and you cant rip a shoe base. Most boots in SL cost from around L$200 up. With the majority in the L$350 to L$450 price bracket And no i wouldnt like to see the boots you edited. I would like the name of the creator or storeyou purchased one of these pairs of boots from , preferably the exact name of the boot so I can compare |
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12-18-2008 10:16
From: Avawyn Muircastle Oh I have lots of boots that I need to make under socks for. I already stated that several days ago. Which pair do you want to see? The one pair I've fixed or the others that still need ME TO HAVE MAKE THE UNDER SOCKS IN THE SAME COLOR SO THE FLESH OF THE FOOT DOESN'T SHOW THRU! And, it's been this way since before the last update of SL. So the latest update of SL or my monitor has nothing to do with this hole problem which has been going on for months in which I stated I spent over $60 of wasted money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! /me guesses that Avawyn doesn't have her foot sized to 0, like most people, to fit her boots.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-18-2008 10:17
From: Avawyn Muircastle Oh brother. I don't know where you are from or how old you are, but you are not a very wise shopper then. Always ask about a return policy in rl before you buy. All things I own are try before you buy, except computer software for maybe one. Even food is returnable in America if you keep the receipt. I'd say 99.9% of items are refundable in America, if not 100% if you buy on a credit card. If you buy on a credit card, you can cancel a transaction within 72 hours of purchase and refuse payment if the person won't give you a refund. where I am from and my age is not relevant... the fact that the real world doesn't always have refunds is what my point was about... you twisted it around to imply I have no clue what I am doing when shopping in the real world, when that is not what my post was about at all! learn to read and comprehend what is being said, before you decide to insult someone's intelligence with comments such as the one you just made...
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-18-2008 10:19
From: Cristalle Karami /me guesses that Avawyn doesn't have her foot sized to 0, like most people, to fit her boots. that is what I was thinking, but I am sure she will claim she does.... (I too think it is a graphics issue, or settings too low, or some such thing) I would also like to know where some of the boots came from... (hell, even just one pair, where it came from.)
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12-18-2008 10:20
From: Cristalle Karami /me guesses that Avawyn doesn't have her foot sized to 0, like most people, to fit her boots. /me guessed that too. But hey, she is so sure they are so badly made I wanted to see who these awful designers were then take pretty pics of my feet in them |
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12-18-2008 10:22
From: Avawyn Muircastle Question:
How would a marketing consult help me the consumer save time, money and connect me to what I'm looking for?
A SL magazine does. How would a marketing consultant help me, the consumer? I think there was a thread awhile back (or maybe it was in the Advice on Sales thread) where the question was asked how many people read in-world magazines. If I recall correctly, the number of people who answered said they either never had or rarely did. True, RA forums are a small microcosm of SL, but on average more informed and invested in SL than many users.
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Avawyn Muircastle
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12-18-2008 10:23
From: Rhaorth Antonelli and I repeat.... you are not a customer (at least not one of mine)
and I never claimed that my posts are nice... not sure why you think that
you think my posts are pompous... I think yours are full of hot air and coming from someone who got caught not knowing what they are talking about so they resort to insulting people instead of learning from those with experience....
guess that makes us even
oh I am not prejudging you.. I am judging you based on what I have seen thus far... nothing pre about that... I don't plan to be a customer of yours or Phil's. I think you have pompous attitudes and it's turned me off to want to be in on a trade with you. I came to this thread to help with suggestions as to what customers have to deal with on SL and with how to suggestions such as demos, live avatar models instead of fluffy prims that don't make customers come back if the product is bad. Sure it looked pretty, but your customer may be po'd. But with most creators capping their IM's, I doubt they truly know the feedback of the average SL consumer trying to picture how a picture is going to look on a 3D image. It's similar to buying something from a catalog in rl, but you can return items from a catalog in rl if the fit is bad or the color not right, etc. I also brought up my research because I have found better items through the use of SL magazines and because of the fact that SL has no quality control department on the items they sell. Using a quality control department to mean you won't get hurt or injured by an item has nothing to do with quality control in rl for fashions. My skirt in rl ate my flesh. Help! Yeah right! |
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Phil Deakins
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12-18-2008 10:24
Avawyn.
Your idea of "nice" posts differes substantially with the reality of nice posts. To you, a post that isn't nice is one that disagrees with you, especially if it says that you are not qualified for something that you think you are qualified for. But those posts are perfectly nice. They may not be welcomed by you, but that doesn't mean they are not nice.
On the other hand, a post like the one you wrote about people lacking professionaism, and deserving to have their sales plummet, is definitely not nice, because it's just sour grapes and has nothing to do with their professionalism in business.
Don't you think that you being alone in this thread says something? Remember that the people here are very experienced and knowledgable in SL, and, so far, you have very little of that. Doesn't it tell you something?
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Avawyn Muircastle
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12-18-2008 10:28
From: Cristalle Karami /me guesses that Avawyn doesn't have her foot sized to 0, like most people, to fit her boots. Yes, she does. lol I KNOW THAT! Thanks for being thoughtful, however. |
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Eclectic Wingtips
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12-18-2008 10:30
/me keeps looking for the name of the boots or the designer.....
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Czari Zenovka
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12-18-2008 10:34
From: Avawyn Muircastle You are knit picking now. I'd say calm down, take a deep breath. Yes, the slider up caused more lag but see above DID NOT FIX THE HOLES! Errrrm, you're the one that's shouting. Oh, and if we're going to pick something...it's "nits" not "knits." (Ack!!! I'm starting to sound like Pep  )
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Alisha Matova
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12-18-2008 10:35
darnit! now i NEED those boots! If they are Mod Trans ill even modify a pair too fit your elusive feet. =P just give me the name. =)
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