Sales plumeting?

We do?? Really??

ok well I have obviously been in a fantsy for the last 6 months....

My store makes money. I started it with putting L$0 into the outlay. I put things on SLx which took a percentage of my takings and used that money to buy things like more textures. Then i started making textures.

I pay nothing for land....


My only costs these days are the L$10 upload fees occassionally.


See this is where you show your understanding of the SL business model is lacking. Most people in SL start off ith very little money and need very little to start a slightly profitable business, it might nto make much but it isnt costing them anything.



/me thinks about when i dropped my parter money.. less than a week ago. In less then a week I have made 5,000L. Now normally I wouldnt say how much i make but you eem to think everyone need to be spending money to make it. My total costs for the eek as been 50L. Yep... 350L on two uploads for new Ads and the place thingy for search.


I know Jojo started up with very very little money and runs a very good business now She is a success.

There are ways to market ourselves in SL without money, and infact the low to no cost ways seem to work the best. Magazines?? Most designers avoid them forthe high cost and low return. Think instead fashion groups, getting yourself blogged, getting noticed by a friend fo someone who is wearing your stuff. That is where the sales are.

SL business and RL business are worlds apart in soooo many ways

the thing is, no one said come to my shop and spend money

That is not why I took you up on the offer... I wanted to see what your opinion would be concerning "fluff prim usage" as that was the topic at the time...

but now I am glad you are not going to do it...


edited to add... I just logged in to get this msg in world...

"[8:46] Avawyn Muircastle accepted your inventory offer."

interesting how you said you never got the landmark heh

The tank tops I consider part of the "classic Anya" look have seams that don't come close to lining up. You can see a hint of one in my profile pic. Two years later I'm still wearing those because I haven't found better. I haven't looked very hard, though.

The pink skull-n-crossbones shirt I wear in my product photos (the "new Anya" look) has crooked seams and a blurry texture. Seems like a simple, cliche design, but I don't know where to find another one like it. Making one myself is on my to-do list but doesn't have enough priority to actually get done.

Yeah, there's lots of shoddy products, but sometimes the design is more important than the details. I'm pretty anal with the details of my own products, but then I've only managed to get a few out the door.

If you're picky enough you make your own or you keep looking for something better. It's not like these things cost a fortune. I consider the time looking to be a much greater investment, which is why I own so little.

The barrier to entry is really low and the people selling things are overwhelmingly not professional artists. That's SL. If you're going to be upset with anyone, be upset with LL for leaving that barrier so low.

Would your magazine accomplish anything six hundred blogs don't?

Of course, the magazine quality assurance team does a lot of research and leg work for the consumer as well as helping them to find what they are looking for without having to read 600 blogs.

But like I said, it was an idea. It would be a lot of work and after talking to these designers with this attitude I've encountered here... well, let me just say, Very undesirable and immature attitudes, not professional at all. That will make their sales plummet more with that kind of attitude, and it would be deservedly so.

No, I don't want to come and see what you've learned - unless you want to pay me to look - my time isn't free y'know

I don't know about the boots. I wrote about something you said in an earlier post that seemed to indicate that you didn't know you can edit each individual prim of a linked set seperately. Maybe you still don't know that, or how to do it. That apparent lack of knowledge fitted well with a later lack of knowledge, when you wrote that you dragged a texture from a skirt. It turned out that you got the skirt in edit, found the texture tab and found you could open the textures in your inventory from it. Maybe you don't yet know that those textures are in your inventory and not in or on the skirt.

Judging products as a consumer is one thing, but judging the workmanship of them when a person has precious little knowledge of what is and isn't possible, and doesn't know how to deal with the realities of products such as clothes in SL, just isn't on. For instance, you could buy a pair of boots that, coincidentally, fit you perfectly, and another pair of boots that didn't fit you well at all, and you could give top marks to the first and low marks to the second in your reviews, but the marking would be flawed because you didn't understand boots in SL. That's the sort of thing that people here have been saying. You may say that it would be the team of experts who would be the judges, and not you personally, but *you* offered to review Rha's store, saying that your time isn't free, so we can't get away from the idea that you *will* be doing some reviews (you see yourself as being capable of it), and we can't accept that you have sufficient experince of SL to be able to do them even reasonably well.

That's very unkind. You came in and started posting as an expert, but you met people who know a lot more than you do about some important things, some of whom have SL businesses that earn RL livelihoods, and just because they disagree with you, or don't see you as an expert, you say of them:- "Very undesirable and immature attitudes, not professional at all. That will make their sales plummet more with that kind of attitude, and it would be deservedly so." You entered a place that is full of SL experience and found that your limited experience wasn't accepted as being SL expertise.

No, I've said what I meant. Simple, make the boot base the color of the boots and not nude! Include prim shorts with a skirt so I don't have to figure out how to make it. Or if you do that, include a nc before I buy!

Some RL stores do, some don't. Some SL stores do, some don't.

/me refrains from posting a LONG story about a recent DOA RL bread machine and a customer service department that apparently has a daily quota of customers to screw over.

We're immature just because we don't agree with you? Everything I've said has been based on my observations from being in SL for over two years. Certain things you've said about the issues you're having indicate graphics issues, so that is what I've said. If anyone else responded to you in an immature way such as name calling, I certainly missed it.

Of course, the whole "is it graphics related or not" could probably be cleared up if you wanted to post your system specs and some pics of the issues you're seeing.

/me wonders if you are skipping overthe posts to find ones you have a come back for??

I posted before about there beiing a huge market for prim skirts which dont need shorts. Just becuase you persoanlly dont like that style doesnt make it bad workmanship

Not. The boots issued was cleared up by making black socks to fit under the boots!

That didn't even attempt to address the post of mine that you quoted. You were very unkind in what you said about people here in this thread - and unjustifiably so - just because those with experience and knowledge found fault with your aims considering that you are inexperienced and lack knowledge.

Huh? Maybe for silks, sure. Or a pencil skirt. But, huh?

The only way to do this currently in SL is using avatars as models. Practically speaking, it's considerably more expensive than fluff prims, but also quite a bit more useful to the shopper.

It's one of the uses of 'bots' that I have no problem with, when kept to a reasonable level. (Bots are programs that run avatars in an automated way, and stay logged in all the time. Usually it's not running the same client program you use to run SL, but a stripped down one so that the bot runner can run many of them at the same time on one computer without running out of memory.)

A nice way to provide models is to offer your products for free to compensate people who are willing to walk your runway for long periods. Of course, it's best if the models have all your merchandise, so they can display any outfit on request.

Maybe someday LL will have a mannequin that looks just like an avatar, wears clothing and attachments the same way, and can run animations, but without an attached client. That would be nice for shopkeepers, but don't hold your breath.

Prim-built mannequins don't look quite like avatars, and clothing you see on them wouldn't be the same thing you'd buy.

Well, go cry then because the people in this thread have no professionalism whatsoever in how to deal with a customer. And the creators not returning my IM's, forget about it. Too much junk on SL to be worth the money anymore since there is no quality control department.

nope i have mini skirts i dont need a pant pbase for... i love those skirts because i can wear a matching bra and panties underneath the whole outfit like i would in rl rather than wearing stupid glitch pants which look so much worse when i move than a more natural bare leg.

Like i said there is a huge market for these kinds of skirts. My partner and I will both buy these kinds of skirts over ones with glitch pants if given the option

But you shouldn't have to make black socks. I wouldn't wear boots I had to make black socks for to hide the holes. I don't know the whose boots these are, but you seemed to indicate that you had this issue with more than one maker's boots. I've never had the issue and I have LOTS of shoes, which makes me think it may be on your end.

Your mind is closed.

There are people that dislike the idea of wearing shorts under their skirts because they wouldn't do that in real life. They would prefer to wear underpants, and let the skirts fall as they may.

this tells me you have no clue what you are talking about

prim shorts with a skirt????? why?????

besides shorts are made on the system (clothing layer) and sometimes ppl will add prim cuffs to the shorts...

prim shorts?????

please ignore my typos folks.. i swear im not normally this bad but it is 4 am

My dyslexia gets a little funny when im tired

You're just rude on top of your ignorance. Bad combination. If you choose not to grace SL with your magazine or spend any L, that is your choice and not a huge loss to anyone but you. The rest of us will continue to have fun.

Now, this is the way you write a post in this thread. Some real talk about the issues that customers are facing. Good job! We are human after all and our money only stretches so far and SL has NO QUALITY CONTROL DEPARTMENT ON WHAT IS SOLD ON SL! So some consumers are rightly po'd!

you are not a very nice person are you?
just because people do not agree with you, doesn't mean you have to wish bad on them (which is what you are doing with these comments)

FYI, yes I have disagreed with your comments, and the reason I have is because after nearly 3 years in SL I tend to think I might have a bit more knowledge than you in some areas, and one of them being clothing and such... and having a store

how can you tell us, what works in a store and having a business, when you do not even have one yourself???

by the way... I do not treat my customers like I have treated you, after all, they are not trying to tell me how to run my business, nor are they telling me I am doing it all wrong...

I treat them with respect, kindness, consideration, and offer to assist if they need it, the way a customer deserves to be treated

I treat you with aloofness and I do not respect your comments (can't say if I respect you or not, don't know you), because your attitude stinks, you seem to think you know it all, and those of us who have been doing it for years, know nothings....

take your "know it all" attitude elsewhere, I know I do not need it and am pretty sure in guessing others do not want it either.

now if you wish to discuss the in's and out's of being a business owner and designer/content creator in SL, with an open mind and not try to tell me I am doing it all wrong, then by all means, let's have an adult discussion...

If you would rather just sit here and blow hot air, and treat me like I know nothing, then forget it

Excuse me I'm way beyond exhausted from this run around knit picky thread.

SHORTS to go under a skirt so that the flesh doesn't show through as holes when the prims of the skirt move.

however.... you are not a customer

how many of the stores from the folks in this thread have you even been to, let alone bought something at???

When you become a customer (which according to you will not happen LOL) then we can speak one on one as customer/business owner...

until then you are just another face in the crowd with a crappy opinion, and a not so nice way to say it...
(and another face in the crowd throwing out insults and ill wishes, do you really think that will endear you to any of us?)