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Saucey Barbecue
I Nommed yer Girlfriend
Join date: 10 May 2006
Posts: 254
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06-10-2008 16:42
From: Emily Darrow Yes while you're giggling and trolling you might understand some of use make our living in Second Life and our income comes from Second Life providing content for your enjoyment. This issue isn't about goofy playing kiddies not being able to have their fun like the other thread but about serious developers with real businesses that have jobs to do. Only contribution I'm gonna make ta this thread..... I LURVE the things the several thousands of incredibly talented builders have made in my 2nd life. Whether I ever return ta prem or not, I'll continue to ta buy the wunnerfull things you make BECAUSE they make 2nd life what it is. But keep this in mind.... As long as we goofy coockie throwin' "kiddies" keep buyin' what you make, then you will continue ta have a "real business". Without customers, your "business" dusn' exist. |
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Conan Godwin
In ur base kilin ur d00ds
Join date: 2 Aug 2006
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06-10-2008 16:43
From: Saucey Barbecue Only contribution I'm gonna make ta this thread.....
I LURVE the things the several thousands of incredibly talented builders have made in my 2nd life. Whether I ever return ta prem or not, I'll continue to ta buy the wunnerfull things you make BECAUSE they make 2nd life what it is.
But keep this in mind....
As long as we goofy coockie throwin' "kiddies" keep buyin' what you make, then you will continue ta have a "real business".
Without customers, your "business" dusn' exist. I don't know what your gender is - only that I love you with all my heart and the fire of my loins.
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Kitty Barnett
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Join date: 10 May 2006
Posts: 5,586
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06-10-2008 16:44
From: Conan Godwin Free means "not paid for". If you use that narrow definition then nearly all accounts are free, including most of the premiums. The only people who ever had to pay just to have an account are those from very early on and the limited few people who paid the $9.95 one-time fee for their alt, noone else had or has to pay just to have an account. So you'd have premiums who have a free account and basics who paid just to have the account, which isn't anything anyone would think to mean. And yesh, this is arguing about semantics  . Just take a look at these threads and others like it, you'll see countless basics argue that since they spent US$ on SL their SL isn't free so I don't see why "free account" has to be synonymous to "basics" with no distinction between payment info or without. |
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Conan Godwin
In ur base kilin ur d00ds
Join date: 2 Aug 2006
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06-10-2008 16:45
From: Kitty Barnett If you use that narrow definition then nearly all accounts are free, including most of the premiums. The only people who ever had to pay just to have an account are those from very early on and the limited few people who paid the $9.95 one-time free for their alt, noone else had or has to pay just to have an account. So you'd have premiums who have a free account and basics who paid just to have the account, which isn't anything anyone would think to mean. And yesh, this is arguing about semantics . Just take a look at these threads and others like it, you'll see countless basics argue that since they spent US$ on SL their SL isn't free so I don't see why "free account" has to be synonymous to "basics" with no distinction between payment info or without. Hang on; Premium accounts don't pay? How does that work?
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Emily Darrow
Builder For Hire
Join date: 15 Apr 2006
Posts: 101
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06-10-2008 16:45
From: Dinalya Dawes If the bus was having a free bus day, and the bus was full, then pulled up to a stop where someone had a monthly pass, should someone riding the bus on free day be kicked off? Or do you think they would have to wait for the next, non full bus?
It isnt that I 'cant' pay the fair, its that I dont need to because I dont need land or other such things it provides. So I take my money and pay the other passengers instead, trust me, when they get my money they arent complaining and in turn, it pays for their premium in some cases. SL stats its a free world to play...so I play for 'free' but pay plenty to other residents. However, should all non-premium members suddenly stop playing because they couldnt get in, how long do you think the purely premium members would last?
Dont bother answer, it doesnt matter anymore because clearly you wont stop for a moment and see things from another view. Again, its ok, I've just about given up hope that you might understand the other side of the coin. Again, hope yer in workin in SL soon and dont have to sit here putting up with us whiners. Is that way for three years before open (free) accounts SL was doing well? Us Premium account holders couldn't thrive? Ask someone who was there.... oh yeah I was there Doh! |
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Isabeau Imako
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Join date: 13 Sep 2007
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06-10-2008 16:45
From: Conan Godwin Although the OP would seem to advocate Basic account holders only being allowed to sit at the back of the bus.
Sort of Godwined? Maybe. Maybe we should wear roller skates and hang on to the bumper, right behind the exhaust pipe - and be thankful for getting a chance to travel in the proximity of our betters. When we would get close to the shop we were heading for (to spend our $) we could yell out "Stop Please!", and the bus would slow down enough for us to let go... Too much?
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Dinalya Dawes
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Join date: 23 Sep 2007
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06-10-2008 16:45
Yanno, it just rather occured to me that that particular post made SL about jobs. Most people already realize that LL didnt hire you. LL didnt say hey come pay premium and we will make sure you have a place to work. SL is a world for the imagination, cookie throwing just happened to be mine at the moment. Wait, thats wrong, cookie stealing was. I like cookies. Just dont mention pie.
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Aleister DaSilva
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Join date: 19 May 2005
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06-10-2008 16:45
Basic account here, have been in game longer than the OP. I used to hold a premium account, but chose to go back to basic. After all, I rent a lot...a substantial sized lot from a very trusted friend who's been in SL even longer then I have. I purchase $15 to $20K L per month, which means I spend a great deal more than many premium account holders do. <sarcasm>Instead of blocking login to free accounts, let's block the login privilege of those who spend less than oohh let's say $50 US.</sarcasm> *chuckles at how bright and witty I am then looks up Emily's profile and makes a note not to purchase her products*
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Conan Godwin
In ur base kilin ur d00ds
Join date: 2 Aug 2006
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06-10-2008 16:46
From: Emily Darrow Is that way for three years before open (free) accounts SL was doing well? Us Premium account holders couldn't thrive? Ask someone who was there.... oh yeah I was there Doh! With a different account I assume, since the one you're using now is not much older than mine.
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Dinalya Dawes
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Join date: 23 Sep 2007
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06-10-2008 16:47
From: Emily Darrow Is that way for three years before open (free) accounts SL was doing well? Us Premium account holders couldn't thrive? Ask someone who was there.... oh yeah I was there Doh! lol You dont read much, I have been here since beginning 2004, once owned a gathering of sims and mainland land as well. Accounts were free in a way, you were just limited to one free and the rest were paid for. I didnt pay for my first account. There were people here that were 'free' back then too. Ask someone who was there...my arent you getting more and more snippy and rude!
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Conan Godwin
In ur base kilin ur d00ds
Join date: 2 Aug 2006
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06-10-2008 16:47
From: Isabeau Imako Maybe we should wear roller skates and hang on to the bumper, right behind the exhaust pipe - and be thankful for getting a chance to travel in the proximity of our betters. When we would get close to the shop we were heading for (to spend our $) we could yell out "Stop Please!", and the bus would slow down enough for us to let go...
Too much? Two words for you; Roof rack.
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Yumi Murakami
DoIt!AttachTheEarOfACat!
Join date: 27 Sep 2005
Posts: 6,860
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06-10-2008 16:48
From: Emily Darrow Is that way for three years before open (free) accounts SL was doing well? Us Premium account holders couldn't thrive? Ask someone who was there.... oh yeah I was there Doh! You mean unverified accounts, then. Before that option became available, there were certainly accounts who hadn't _paid_ anything - they had just typed in their payment info but hadn't ever used it. Certainly you could have some complaint that "unverified" login slots could be taken up by bots and campers.. |
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Saucey Barbecue
I Nommed yer Girlfriend
Join date: 10 May 2006
Posts: 254
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06-10-2008 16:48
From: Kitty Barnett I don't see what's so inherently unfair about logging out/restricting non-payment info residents. If you do not pay for a service in any way you should not expect unrestricted access (actually just having payment info on file is fine too really).
That's not what happened. I was refused Login with an incredibly moronic error msg that had NOTHING to do with NPIOF Users. I AM PIOF. I WAS a prem user until LL convinced me that they didn' give a FUCK 'bout their userbase, be they paid or free. (ok I lied, the other wasn' the only one. Hab a cookie, it's peaner butter!) |
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Kitty Barnett
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Join date: 10 May 2006
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06-10-2008 16:48
From: Conan Godwin Hang on; Premium accounts don't pay? How does that work? Premiums don't pay just to have an account,, no. My premium fee covers being able to buy mainland (leaving renting mainland tier aside), the 512m² free tier, my stipend and premium support. I never paid for my account itself so by your narrow "Free means 'not paid for'"definition I'm a premium on a free account and so is 99% of everyone else. |
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Raudf Fox
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Join date: 25 Feb 2005
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06-10-2008 16:49
From: Conan Godwin Free means "not paid for". I have payment info used, I pay in regularly. Mine is still a free account. "Free" cannot really mean anything other than basic accounts generally. Uhhhh.. I think you just caused my brain to reboot with this, Conan. It doesn't matter, if you are premium or not for Kitty's point. Payment info used or payment info on file would be the filter point, not whether or not you're making monthly/quarterly/yearly payments to LL. Sasameyuki's a basic account with payment info used. Trilliannas (my alt) is basic NPIOF. Neither make premium or land payments to LL. If the filter came into affect, Sas would get in, but not Trill. In other words, Conan, you'd get in, because of the PAYMENT INFO USED. And from Kitty's take, if you had PAYMENT INFO ON FILE, you'd get in too. Screw the definition of 'free.' I'll go by LL's in world filter.
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Conan Godwin
In ur base kilin ur d00ds
Join date: 2 Aug 2006
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06-10-2008 16:49
From: Kitty Barnett Premiums don't pay just to have an account,, no.
My premium fee covers being able to buy mainland (leaving renting mainland tier aside), the 512m² free tier, my stipend and premium support.
I never paid for my account itself so by your narrow "Free means 'not paid for'"definition I'm a premium on a free account and so is 99% of everyone else. I disagree.
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Raymond Figtree
Gone, avi, gone
Join date: 17 May 2006
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06-10-2008 16:50
From: Conan Godwin Hang on; Premium accounts don't pay? How does that work? When the time comes to be billed, we put plywood cubes on our heads and pretend to be end tables. But seriously, my stipend covers my yearly fee, so if I don't tier up past my free 512, my premium account pays for itself.
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Conan Godwin
In ur base kilin ur d00ds
Join date: 2 Aug 2006
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06-10-2008 16:51
From: Raudf Fox Uhhhh.. I think you just caused my brain to reboot with this, Conan.
It doesn't matter, if you are premium or not for Kitty's point. Payment info used or payment info on file would be the filter point, not whether or not you're making monthly/quarterly/yearly payments to LL.
Sasameyuki's a basic account with payment info used. Trilliannas (my alt) is basic NPIOF. Neither make premium or land payments to LL. If the filter came into affect, Sas would get in, but not Trill.
In other words, Conan, you'd get in, because of the PAYMENT INFO USED. And from Kitty's take, if you had PAYMENT INFO ON FILE, you'd get in too.
Screw the definition of 'free.' I'll go by LL's in world filter. Regardless of what Kitty is saying; the OP has made it quite clear she wants Premium accounts to have top priorty. This is the thread we are discussing. The OP has been given ample opportunity to clarify what she is saying; and were she advocating the same system as Kitty then I'm sure she would have said so. She has chosen not to.
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Saucey Barbecue
I Nommed yer Girlfriend
Join date: 10 May 2006
Posts: 254
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06-10-2008 16:51
From: Raudf Fox Uhhhh.. I think you just caused my brain to reboot with this, Conan.
It doesn't matter, if you are premium or not for Kitty's point. Payment info used or payment info on file would be the filter point, not whether or not you're making monthly/quarterly/yearly payments to LL.
Sasameyuki's a basic account with payment info used. Trilliannas (my alt) is basic NPIOF. Neither make premium or land payments to LL. If the filter came into affect, Sas would get in, but not Trill.
In other words, Conan, you'd get in, because of the PAYMENT INFO USED. And from Kitty's take, if you had PAYMENT INFO ON FILE, you'd get in too.
Screw the definition of 'free.' I'll go by LL's in world filter. Except that jus' like the "age verification" It dusn' work! |
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Kitty Barnett
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Join date: 10 May 2006
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06-10-2008 16:52
From: Yumi Murakami You mean unverified accounts, then. Whenever I use(d) "unverified" to mean NPIOF people think I mean(t) "not age verified" so "unverified accounts" has become ambiguous as well, watch out for that  . |
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Conan Godwin
In ur base kilin ur d00ds
Join date: 2 Aug 2006
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06-10-2008 16:53
From: Saucey Barbecue Except that jus' like the "age verification" It dusn' work! Saucey....Saucey my love, my little cupcake, I think you are confused. This system doesn't work because it doesn't exist - this thread is basically a "I wish LL would implement X" thread.
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Gabriele Graves
Always and Forever, FULL
Join date: 23 Apr 2007
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06-10-2008 16:53
I am premium but do not use my account space during the day that is my divine right as espoused by some. So I am going to auction the unused SL daytime slot to the highest bidder. Do I hear L$1? ((The above is tongue in cheek and not to be taken seriously at all, just in case, you know, that wasn't clear ))
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Raudf Fox
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Join date: 25 Feb 2005
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06-10-2008 16:56
From: Conan Godwin Regardless of what Kitty is saying; the OP has made it quite clear she wants Premium accounts to have top priorty. This is the thread we are discussing. The OP has been given ample opportunity to clarify what she is saying; and were she advocating the same system as Kitty then I'm sure she would have said so. She has chosen not to. Yeah, just caught on, sorry. *sigh* See, this comes from not caring how/when the account was created...
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Dallas Dastardly
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Join date: 23 Nov 2007
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06-10-2008 17:01
From: Conan Godwin "...Basic accounts with payment info on file are the ones who really keep SL going. I would think that tier paying customers do. ;] Take land away and whats left, no world. (not harping on free players thought =p) |
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Saucey Barbecue
I Nommed yer Girlfriend
Join date: 10 May 2006
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06-10-2008 17:02
From: Gabriele Graves I am premium but do not use my account space during the day that is my divine right as espoused by some. So I am going to auction the unused SL daytime slot to the highest bidder. Do I hear L$1? ((The above is tongue in cheek and not to be taken seriously at all, just in case, you know, that wasn't clear )) /me offers a slightly shiny, slightly droopy, n' 'pparently soggy peaner butter cookie as first bid. (blame Dinalya Dawes, it was nice n' warm n' crunchy when I threw it at her!) |