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Rhaorth Antonelli
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06-10-2008 15:58
From: Emily Darrow Yes while you're giggling and trolling you might understand some of use make our living in Second Life and our income comes from Second Life providing content for your enjoyment. This issue isn't about goofy playing kiddies not being able to have their fun like the other thread but about serious developers with real businesses that have jobs to do. so I am a goofy playing kiddie and not a serious developer with a real business and a job to do? ok *makes mental note*
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Emily Darrow
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06-10-2008 15:58
From: Conan Godwin You realise that large corporate cities/islands have, for a long time, been generally unpopular with the rest of the community. You are not inspiring sympathy here. I get paid to build the place, what they do with it isn't my concern.
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Macphisto Angelus
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06-10-2008 15:58
From: Emily Darrow not all of us make clothes and attachments or rent and sell land. Some of use build whole cities and help RL businesses and universities and I can assure you my customers are not using a freebie account as their main account. I am not trying to flame you.. I am serious when I say this. With you being a sim owner you have lots more support then most of us. There is not much we can do to help you from here. If there were a vote on NPIOF residents being allowed in during this time I would happily join your cause. That is just fair. Possibly you could file a jira if that is allowed asking for people to vote with you on this? Otherwise, hit up the high level support you get with your membership level. Maybe if enough of you go after them about it the chance could come that it passes. Philip was the one that insisted that all be allowed at all time and took your money in the meantime. Maybe M. Linden can change this NPIOF system some. Good luck.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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06-10-2008 15:59
From: Dinalya Dawes Not spending money at all at the moment, Im trying to shop, or I was...but all those stinkin premium members that are online are breaking SL!! BTW, I know of a couple things you can do for more adverts for your store, you have messages enabled? yes I have messages enabled if the adverts cost money then I can not do it, as I said already paying out of pocket just to keep it in world, money I really should not be spending, but it is my entertainment so I keep it I am not online at the moment so not me breaking SL
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Dinalya Dawes
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06-10-2008 16:00
From: Emily Darrow First of all you should read sometimes, you might understand what they are saying. This was not about blaming but a solution to a problem. That solution would be to log off non-payment users while allowing paying users access when there's a high load on the servers. I don't think anyone should complain if they don't care to pay the fees. It's a service and paying customers should and do in most businesses have priority over non payers, PERIOD. Actually, I think its you that isnt reading, bit its ok. If you had even a clue how much I once put into this world through premium and land you might understand Im not some clueless free account holding twit who is flaming. I also said if you need to feel this way, then go right on ahead and feel it. I wont feel guilty for not paying premium when I dont need land and the other 'features' that a premium account holder needs. I will go right on supporting SL and its developers my own way.
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Dinalya Dawes
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06-10-2008 16:00
From: Rhaorth Antonelli yes I have messages enabled
if the adverts cost money then I can not do it, as I said already paying out of pocket just to keep it in world, money I really should not be spending, but it is my entertainment so I keep it
I am not online at the moment so not me breaking SL Nope nope, its things that are free. Of course, that isnt a very popular word around here so Ima just message you lol
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Brenda Connolly
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06-10-2008 16:00
From: Conan Godwin "No Payment Info on File" and "Basic Account" are not the same thing. The OP advocates logging out all basic accounts, whether they have payment info on file or not. Basic accounts with payment info on file are the ones who really keep SL going. Sounds like she'd like Non Concierge Premiums Throttled as well. Well at least she didn't use the word "Metaverse"
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Conan Godwin
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06-10-2008 16:01
From: Emily Darrow I get paid to build the place, what they do with it isn't my concern. That's what the people who built the death camps said. That's right! I Godwined this bitch!! Had you suggested logging off "No Payment Info on File Accounts" only, you might have got a better response. The fact is, as I have said, Basic users with payment info on file are the ones who contribute the most to the community financially - Premium users contribute to LL's coffers instead. What you fail to realise is that your large corporate clients rely on business from Basic accounts too; their customers are your customers - that's how business works. If you haven't learned that then your business is doomed to fail in the long run.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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06-10-2008 16:02
From: Dinalya Dawes I wont feel guilty for not paying premium when I dont need land and the other 'features' that a premium account holder needs. I will go right on supporting SL and its developers my own way. what if they did change it to restrict non premium members during specific times when load is high would you then feel the need for that feature? honestly I am surprised they have not done this yet, there are a lot of die hard SL users that would go premium just for premium access
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From: someone Morpheus Linden: But then I change avs pretty often too, so often, I look nothing like my avatar.  They are taking away the forums... it could be worse, they could be taking away the forums AND Second Life...
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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06-10-2008 16:02
From: Dinalya Dawes Nope nope, its things that are free. Of course, that isnt a very popular word around here so Ima just message you lol lol sounds good thanks
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From: someone Morpheus Linden: But then I change avs pretty often too, so often, I look nothing like my avatar.  They are taking away the forums... it could be worse, they could be taking away the forums AND Second Life...
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Conan Godwin
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06-10-2008 16:03
From: Rhaorth Antonelli honestly I am surprised they have not done this yet, there are a lot of die hard SL users that would go premium just for premium access Name five. If they ever announced that I, for one, would be away off into the distance before they'd finished speaking. SL isn't sufficiently stable to warrant paying just to log on.
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IBME Swindlehurst
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06-10-2008 16:04
If wagering were legal, I would wager that ALL of the "BOT's" used to boost traffic are NPIOF. Get rid of the "BOT's" the problem goes away!!!!
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Macphisto Angelus
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06-10-2008 16:04
From: Dinalya Dawes I wont feel guilty for not paying premium when I dont need land and the other 'features' that a premium account holder needs. I will go right on supporting SL and its developers my own way. I used to pay for premium and had a bit of land. When SL started tanking more then it was up awhile back I quit paying the premium. Instead I ended up with more land from an Island owner for less tier and found buying lindens when I want was a very good option. I never did get good support as a premium person and from what I see that still holds mostly true. The value for me is on staying basic and buying lindens and renting when I need to. Other's mileage may vary.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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06-10-2008 16:06
From: Conan Godwin Name five.
If they ever announced that I, for one, would be away off into the distance before they'd finished speaking. SL isn't sufficiently stable to warrant paying just to log on. they can name themselves besides the userbase here on the forums is a small portion of the users in SL and I am sure there are at least 5 ppl here be they posters or lurkers that would upgrade to premium if they did do something like restrict non premium accounts during peak usage not up to me to figure out who they are
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From: someone Morpheus Linden: But then I change avs pretty often too, so often, I look nothing like my avatar.  They are taking away the forums... it could be worse, they could be taking away the forums AND Second Life...
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Macphisto Angelus
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06-10-2008 16:07
From: Conan Godwin If they ever announced that I, for one, would be away off into the distance before they'd finished speaking. SL isn't sufficiently stable to warrant paying just to log on.
QFT. Let the grid stay healthy for a week and then we can start talking about paying for access. 
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bigmoe Whitfield
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06-10-2008 16:08
From: Rhaorth Antonelli
honestly I am surprised they have not done this yet, there are a lot of die hard SL users that would go premium just for premium access
*buzzer* nope sorry. thats still not enough to entise me. I have been here for over a yr and if I was able to tell you how many exact hrs I have been here I would. but let me point this out Ive got aquired inventory that stretches back farther the 9k hrs ago  I spend 14hrs or more here daily. I am a basic account that is an estate manager. so what then? still want to limit us??? and I am ranting and sorry to the rest of the people. Got to stay away from these things there addicting
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Kitty Barnett
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06-10-2008 16:08
From: Conan Godwin "No Payment Info on File" and "Basic Account" are not the same thing. The OP advocates logging out all basic accounts, whether they have payment info on file or not. Basic accounts with payment info on file are the ones who really keep SL going. She never said "non-premiums" or "basics" though, just "free accounts" and "people who don't pay or contribute". Whenever I see someone argue against free accounts I'll just assume it's going to be about NPIOFs since they likely account for half of the active accounts and it's the obvious group to put restrictions on. It just feels like some payment info basic account posters have a tedency to overreact when it comes to "free accounts" (not just referring to this thread, it happens whenever "free accounts" come up) and it just makes discussion impossible.
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Emily Darrow
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06-10-2008 16:09
From: Conan Godwin That's what the people who built the death camps said.
That's right! I Godwined this bitch!!
Had you suggested logging off "No Payment Info on File Accounts" only, you might have got a better response. The fact is, as I have said, Basic users with payment info on file are the ones who contribute the most to the community financially - Premium users contribute to LL's coffers instead.
What you fail to realise is that your large corporate clients rely on business from Basic accounts too; their customers are your customers - that's how business works. If you haven't learned that then your business is doomed to fail in the long run. First of all I'm a Jew and I had relatives who never came out of those camps and comparing what I do to what was done by Nazi is very offensive to me. If people can't understand paying for an account and not paying for one why should I bother with explaining it?
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Dinalya Dawes
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06-10-2008 16:09
Oh someday I might go premium again, though I still feel bad for those that got stuck with less weekly Ls in their accounts with premium...500L was perfectly fine dagnabit. I just dont need a lot of land right now as I dont spend much time in world as it is. When I do, its supporting content creators (ok ok its supporting a shopping addiction I know) and enjoying time with friends. This is a social world, I hope people never forget that. You lose that aspect of it and what is left? Get rid of all the non premium and just who would help pay the premium users so they could pay their premium? The list goes on and on...now bots. Bots I could handle seeing gone. Bots are no fun in social settings at all!!
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06-10-2008 16:09
i used to have two paid up pre-meeeeum accounts. LL sucks bad lately, so now they have two less paid up pre-meeeeeum accounts on the books. 
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Brenda Connolly
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06-10-2008 16:10
From: Conan Godwin That's what the people who built the death camps said.
That's right! I Godwined this bitch!!
Had you suggested logging off "No Payment Info on File Accounts" only, you might have got a better response. The fact is, as I have said, Basic users with payment info on file are the ones who contribute the most to the community financially - Premium users contribute to LL's coffers instead.
What you fail to realise is that your large corporate clients rely on business from Basic accounts too; their customers are your customers - that's how business works. If you haven't learned that then your business is doomed to fail in the long run. /me whips off her pants and waves them in salute. Add me to seperating NPOIF's from Basics in these discussions. It snobbery and elitism.
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Conan Godwin
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06-10-2008 16:10
From: Kitty Barnett She never said "non-premiums" or "basics" though, just "free accounts" and "people who don't pay or contribute".
Whenever I see someone argue against free accounts I'll just assume it's going to be about NPIOFs since they likely account for half of the active accounts and it's the obvious group to put restrictions on.
It just feels like some payment info basic account posters have a tedency to overreact when it comes to "free accounts" (not just referring to this thread, it happens whenever "free accounts" come up) and it just makes discussion impossible. "Free account" means "not Premium".
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Brenda Connolly
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06-10-2008 16:11
From: Emily Darrow First of all I'm a Jew and I had relatives who never came out of those camps and comparing what I do to what was done by Nazi is very offensive to me.
If people can't understand paying for an account and not paying for one why should I bother with explaining it? Explain it to Linden. THEY are the ones who allow free accounts.
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Dinalya Dawes
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06-10-2008 16:13
From: Emily Darrow
If people can't understand paying for an account and not paying for one why should I bother with explaining it?
I'm focusing purely on the non personal part of this post, because personal issues shouldnt be at play (in any way, from any poster, its just not in the point of it all) Ever think that maybe you arent quite understanding it either? You are simply seeing things from your side of the fence...a place many of us have been and decided it wasnt worth standing on. Try for a moment to imagine being a player that isnt paying premium for a multitude of reasons, no need at all for land being one of them which is the 'big perk' to premium as it was to me. However, I put just as much in as I would have when paying premium. You dont have to bother explaining it, I think most of us understand where you are coming from but are just eager for you to understand where we are coming from as well. Hopefully the server issues are resolved and you can get back to work soon...good luck with it.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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06-10-2008 16:14
From: bigmoe Whitfield *buzzer* nope sorry. thats still not enough to entise me. I have been here for over a yr and if I was able to tell you how many exact hrs I have been here I would. but let me point this out Ive got aquired inventory that stretches back farther the 9k hrs ago  I spend 14hrs or more here daily. I am a basic account that is an estate manager. so what then? still want to limit us??? and I am ranting and sorry to the rest of the people. Got to stay away from these things there addicting my comment was premium and estate owners (so you would be included in that paying directly to SL group) *shrug* what does it matter, I do not run SL, so what I think doesn't matter
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