While thousands of free accounts are online....

That explains the unwarranted sense of entitlement then. The fact that you choose to be offended, however, does not invalidate the metaphor. I think you're a bit dim, so I'm done with this thread - I'm afraid I might catch stupid. Bye all. Have a nice thread.

Raises her hand. Ok so that means we aren't in the Gang of Five.

Imagine if renters weren't allowed to access SL during peak times? I think there would be many more 'homeless' in that case. Why pay for a 'home' you can only access at certain times?

You mean, like LL once promised to do?

I agree, those of us who have paid into LL at one point or another should get some perks. And payment info on file is a fair way of going about it. This doesn't affect the 'free' basic accounts that have bought L$ through the LindeX, it doesn't affect those basic accounts who had to pay nearly 10 USD for the honor of creating an account and it doesn't affect those that have been premiums in the past.

But on the other hand, there's nothing like being a content creator, happily working on a project and then SL slowly goes wonky, so you don't notice.. and it goes *poof*. *sighs* So, I can't see how it'd really help stabilize things if the asset server decides to throw a tantrum.

I am sorry- I don't get why anyone has to go on about who pays membership and who doesn't... makes no difference


We are all in here- playing, working, lagging chill people- what is it with all this negativity?
I don't give a damn who chooses to pay and who doesn't - hell - it isn't like they chose to pay me! Now if I got a cut...

sorry for jumping the gun though. I just find these subjects touchy is all. being on limited income like I am has stopped me from becoming prem. that wont ever change either. now I think everybody should be treated equal. but hey thats my tought

Very interesting point, however you fail to see the big picture. The MAJORITY of the accounts in SL ARE the freebie accounts. WHO do you think spends the MAJORITY of L in world on your business ventures? If only premium accounts are allowed to log in when there is an SL overload problem, I am fine with that...just watch YOUR sales plummet. Instead of bitching as us "freeloaders" and by the way...I spend lots of L, meaning NOT FREE, why don't you join the other whiners about SL just fixing their server issues altogether.

-Blu- (NOT SHOPPING AT YOUR STORE)

It doesn't to me, only "basic account" means "not a premium account" by definition.

"Free account" isn't an actual account type so its actual meaning would be open to personal opinion.

This thread needs more five year old blind pianist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntReE2n15bo

it's really quite simple.

If you can't pay the bus fair should you be allowed to ride when the bus is already full?

Standing there whining about how unfair that is won't get you much.

*nods*

Although LL did draw the line at "Payment Info *Used*" back then, payment info on file would have been restricted just like NPIOFs according to them.

If restricting all the NPIOFs doesn't make any difference, then the grid has deteriorated to the point where it can't even handle 30-40,000 concurrency anymore and we'll have bigger problems than to fight about who's still left to kick out .

Nor will going off on a whiny snit complaining about the bus being full. Or taking some sort of moral high ground because you "Build for real companies" while everyone else plays.It's not what you said. It how you said it.

Yes no one ever read anything and put their own twist on it, so it must be the writer who's books need to be burned.

Ack Raymond, you made me cry...

You have a point, but equally, if you are building corporate-type sims, why not ask your customers to host them themselves on an OpenSim or RealXTend server?

I do sympathise with you about the login issues, and they frustrate me too. But if you are just using SL for hosting then, well, if you only pay for shared hosting then you can expect that sometimes other users will overload it.

Something drew me, inexorably, back to this thread.

Just to clarify; are you now saying that you don't advocate logging off free accounts when server load is high? Because that's the bit some of us are disagreeing with. Not sure how we could really have misinterpretted that.

Agreed. Basic accounts CAN have payment info used.

Did you buy some L$ from the LindeX? Well, there you go.. you've got payment info used.

Did you pay nearly 10 USD to create the account? Well, there you go, you've got payment info used.

Were you once premium? There you go, you've got payment info used.

Payment info used does NOT mean you're a premium account. It just means you did, at some point, buy something from Linden Labs.

Example: My husband has NEVER been a premium.. but Sasameyuki has Payment info used in her profile. Reason? When she was created, he had to pay nearly 10 USD to create the account. He hasn't paid a penny to LL since.

So, Kitty's not talking about all "free" accounts.. just those that haven't ever paid anything to LL.

Edit: I don't mind Payment info on file, because it implies the intent to use. Even though that seems an epic fail for my alt. She's got payment info ON her, but never used.. and it still says NPIOF.

Free means "not paid for". I have payment info used, I pay in regularly. Mine is still a free account. "Free" cannot really mean anything other than basic accounts generally.

If the bus was having a free bus day, and the bus was full, then pulled up to a stop where someone had a monthly pass, should someone riding the bus on free day be kicked off? Or do you think they would have to wait for the next, non full bus?

It isnt that I 'cant' pay the fair, its that I dont need to because I dont need land or other such things it provides. So I take my money and pay the other passengers instead, trust me, when they get my money they arent complaining and in turn, it pays for their premium in some cases. SL stats its a free world to play...so I play for 'free' but pay plenty to other residents. However, should all non-premium members suddenly stop playing because they couldnt get in, how long do you think the purely premium members would last?

Dont bother answer, it doesnt matter anymore because clearly you wont stop for a moment and see things from another view. Again, its ok, I've just about given up hope that you might understand the other side of the coin. Again, hope yer in workin in SL soon and dont have to sit here putting up with us whiners.

Linden Labs's current system maximizes its profits.

It's classic price discrimination. Linden Labs has figured out a way to profit both from the customers who don't want to pay a lot of money for its product, and the customers who are willing to overspend for its product.

The high spenders can complain all they want, but as long as they continue to be high spenders, Linden Labs has no incentive to listen to the complaints.

To quote Bobbi Fleckman, "Money talks, and bull---- walks."

I'm not asking or would think it's something that needs to be done all the time. SL with all it's problems should still be for everyone. It's just those short period of times when Linden Lab needs to drop log ins because of asset server issues or load issues. These don't last long and this solution would help LL fix issues without shutting down SL.

Maybe the bus should be bigger. Or more buses should be added...

People- I got in with OnRez... am there now- up to you to stand around and yell at each other or just come on in.

Although the OP would seem to advocate Basic account holders only being allowed to sit at the back of the bus.

Sort of Godwined? Maybe.

Exactly!! Instead of complaining that LL isnt doing their job in providing stable and high load compatable servers (ie: the product!) people have started coming in and blaiming non-premium users. Maybe it was because LL never would reply to the complaints...people needed someone to discuss it with when they couldnt log in. So, if everyone was forced to go premium to play, THEN who would they complain about? *shrugs and gives up*