Does anyone seriously like those red ban lines ?

If so, speak up now or forever hold your peace ! /joking off.

Seriously, why doesn't LL just get rid of the Ban function and force everyone to buy a security system ? I have never heard anyone defend the red ban lines. I know this would force a minor financial hardship upon people but it would eliminate that nuisance at least.

Can we limit these threads to once a year?

Seriously, there are plenty of people who defend the ban lines. The people who care about absolute privacy (well, as much as you can have in SL). I have no problem with the ban function, because I will just move on. Really... that's all it takes. Move on.

My attitude is the same as yours. I seem to hear the other viewpoint most often, though.

Ban Ban Lines - the ultimate legalised griefing weapon
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Visual effect of banlines on neighbours - a demonstration you can visit inworld
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When you're done with those you can find a dozen more using search.

Thank you !

You're welcome .

If you want to cheat: once you've read 10 pages, you've read it all .

Why start another thread then?

ENTIRELY rhetorical.

Because red is my favourite colour?


No such thing as entirely rethorical around here

Disclaimer : the above is in no way whatsoever an opinion on banlines, freedom of travel, privacy in the own home, security orbs, or the colour of any of the above.

Ten pages? Two, I think, is enough.

The threads have not really changed since I have been here. Banners and nonbanners and never the twain shall meet, apparently. At least not in the forums. Perhaps some people have changed their minds over time for other reasons, ban-line haters brought around to the idea by persistent annoyances, or ban-line users who stop after being persistently annoyed by other people's lines.

Ban-lines: our right to keep people off land
Security-systems: shouldn't be necessary but useful for skyboxes etc.

Conclusion: we need something better, please see the following JIRA issue which links to some:
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-241

I flew head on into a red banline once and I'm still suffering from mild traumatic brain injury.

Since then I refuse to enter properties with banlines around them.

i can see why some people wouldn't be bothered by them.

but look at it this way, what if your land was bordered on one or two sides with a plot that had the ban lines? i bet you wouldn't be so uncaring for them then. It would effect your traveling around on your plot, and it would effect others ability to get to your plot. if you had a business, that could be bad when it comes to getting new customers who wouldn't be teleporting in due to not knowing of it yet.


there was a time i was exploring around the mainland looking in shops etc. I ran into a damn maze of lots with the red ban lines. any shops around that area never saw me, i got tired of trying to go around the ban lines and teleported elsewhere. the red lines cost those businesses at least one customer.

I'm pretty sure the owners won't mind this, that's why the ban-lines are there =)

I think that it's fairly easy to agree with both sides of the "ban line" argument:
- They are a menace, flying is a pain and they block perfectly good routes or hamper views. I agree with that, and everyone who's encountered them before will too.
- It is the right of a land-owner to prevent access to their land from people they don't want to be there. I agree with that too, and so will most other land-owners. My land, my rules.

The problem therefore is not that either side is right or wrong. The problem is that ban-lines are the wrong solution to land access, as it imposes its access restriction on a specific chunk of the parcel, namely the bottom 60m. The problem with this is that it's ALL WRONG. What if the house is only 10 or 20m tall? What if the house is actually 600m in the sky?
What if all I want is to prevent people seeing me or hearing my conversation while I'm in my house, but don't mind if they walk through my garden to get by?
Parcel level settings for access (and for content management such as chat blocking which people want), what we need is a way to define specific areas as restricted using a 3d access restriction and/or privacy tool.

I mean, the one that annoys me most is when a land-owner has a skybox 600m up, but on their land they have a teleporter. So to block access to their skybox they place 60m ban-lines around it. Genius, because if they do that I obviously can't just fly up to their skybox and sit on something inside to get in and tell them they're idiots (I don't make a point of doing this, I did do it once when I was annoyed though having lost a chunk of a build that crept slightly over the parcel edge while I was positioning it).

If you're interested in 3d parcel access though please go to the JIRA issue I linked and look at ones there, or the more specific one here (which has slowly growing support so hopefully might get some attention):
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-99

Perhaps Strife should set up a "Ban Lines Answers" forum where all these threads can be moved?

Can I just mention Hitler and get it over with?

No, you have to rant about the Ban Line Nazis. (but not now, I've already done it for you).

My, my, this thread seems to have developed an early case of the Godwins.

I can't rant about them. I support their use, if that's what the landowner wishes, even if I don't like them.

I don't like the ban lines, but I do like that people have the ability to restrict access. I also think there should be a visual indicator of places you can't go, which security systems don't provide.

All somebody needs to do is square that circle.

I can't rant. I support a propertyowners right to use them if they desire, even if I don't like them myself. (The Banlines, not the Property Owner)

What we need is a real way to control access/visibility for a specified volume of 3D space that is not limited to the parcel boundries. We don't have that now, not really. When a land owner can specify who can and can't get into their home, or their skybox, then they generally won't care about who flies through the 500+ Meters of empty space between them.

I can come close to doing that with some of the better security systems. I can specify 4 corners of a rectangular area, plus a radius from the security control panel, to define up to a 96M sphere, or a rectangular shaft up to 96M in height, which has access controls, but still has no control over visibility. But you don't know it is there until it warns you for entering the restricted space.

Ideally, you should be able to specify the coordinates of 4 corner points, plus a low and high altitude limit, and be able to say that space is access controlled. There should be some way to give advance warning to others, so they don't bump into invisible walls. Butit should also be possible to sit near such bariers and see no ugly lines.

Sounds like a very good development project to me.

Well you lost me, mate.

I absolutely love the ban lines. If you want to fly around, buy a sim and have at it.

Once a week would be a start.

There were suggestions in the other thread ranging from making the insides of banlines visible to making them invisible according to user preference.

A speed related range of visibility was also suggested. Excellent thought but I can't see it happening .. and no, that wasn't a joke even by my questionable standards!

Just get rid of the red ban lines.

Everyone knows invisible ban lines are the new red.

I remain consistently in favor of allowing ban line ability only as a feature of private islands. Years ago, when we residents were clamoring for zoning (and there were only a handful of private islands) we were told point blank by LL that if we wanted zoning we should do it ourselves - and the more enterprising among us did exactly that. There is a grid full of zoned private islands now to fill the need of those who wanted zoning. Ban lines should be the same way - if you want to shut down access to a parcel you should be able to do that...on a private island. I think it wrong to do on a contiguous mainland area and it destroys the whole idea of a common area that is sharable by all.