Does anyone seriously like those red ban lines ?

In theory a scripted security system could easily be made to define zones within the total 96m radius (use several if you need to cover a larger area). But as you point out, it still can't hide things, not to mention security systems add lag to the same tune as animation overriders, doing more work at less intervals compared to not much work at very fast intervals.

But the 3d permissions zones proposal covers this the most fully, there are others that allow for full parcel masking but IMO these are solutions that are very inflexible (just as with the ban-lines) and should ignored in favour of more flexible solutions, rather than more likely to be implemented sooner ones:
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-99

Now if they remove the red "no entry", people would complain that they can't go around them.

Tough

Like them? I make love to them.

Because it's better to have a consistent, LL-defined solution (even if they don't tell us how it's defined) than it is to have 27 different ones, _all_ of which use more SIM resources than LL ban lines and many of which are probably unnecessarily resource intensive.


Then you haven't read the other threads on this.

Most of the debates I've seen have been over their visibility.. Seems to be 3 sides to this:
1: my neighbor has ban lines that I don't want to stare at all day

2: I like to explore - ban lines are not visible until it's too late and smashing vehicles into them is quite unpleasant

3: people use them on their land then forget they are up - land owners should be able to see their own ban lines

The first two are at least partially addressable in the viewer. I've been poking at this code a little, on & off, over the last couple weeks and it doesn't work the way I assumed it did (they don't seem to be drawn until the sim sends the viewer a message saying "you're gonna hit one!" but I do have some ideas to make both of those first two camps happy. If I could just get 1.18.4 to link, I could test some of them out.

For the 3rd camp, I don't agree that people who set access/pay-only on their land should have to look at big ban/pay lines.. Maybe icons like the existing no-fly/no-script/etc ones would be a good compromise.

I love ban lines.. and hate security orbs (Or anything similar)

I've said my reasons many times recently, so.. I wont elaborate... but the only thing about them that I don't like.. completely honestly, is how many people hate them. I'd use them alot more if people didn't hate them to death... right now I don't use as I don't have reason to...but I might soon once my project is completed.

It wouldnt affect travel on your own plot.. unless you often cut corners into other peoples land to travel do a different section of your land or something...

But those ban lines may also hel protect those other parcels from tons of people just being stupid... if you really want to get to someplace, and theres a banline in the way, you can go to your map and double click where the store is.. its not hard to figure out if you can already see it as you stated


Hopefully... this is my last argument on this topic.. it *has* been done to much, I agree...

Hi Steve. This thread will get long.

While I appreciate that ban lines do perform an important function, they might at least be used less (ie. only when required) if they were visible to the parcel owner as well.

I can't see LL going for that, if your idea is to punish people into removing their ban lines.

From what I can see so far in these forums, the ones with the view that owners should see too don't see it as punishment somehow.. but oh well, I wont argue

Wasn't arguing - just saying that if it's presented to LL that way, I really don't think they're gonna go for it.

No. The idea is to make them more analogous to boundaries we shouldn't cross in real life (if I build a garden wall to keep you out, I have to look at it too), and encourage people to be more respective of their neighbours' views by using them only when required.

Oryx Tempel filed this suggestion on Jira a short time ago.
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-2935

Any way you can put a ban line round a forum thread?

and..there it is....

THe difference is, you can still gross a garden wall in RL. AND you can build one in SL that does the same thing.. almost nothing to someone who wants to get by, and yous till have to see it...

I'm done! IM DONE!!! I dont wanna do this thread anymore... oh well.. I prolly will

I just had an idea. Is there any way to get the texture for banlines? I know it isn't really a texture, but if you could get it with the alphas and all, you could make a cylinder prim the size of your avatar in about 10 seconds, texture it with ban lines, then wear it. It would look like you have personal ban lines.

Think of the possibilities. Tell people you're protecting your personal space. Ladies - tell that guy wandering around with his junk hanging out that you would love to "mak sexxie nwo" but unfortunately, you can't set your avatar to allow access unless he's a member of your group (make group, set a 100L joining fee). Then when he joins, tp oout and eject him from the group. You'll be RICH!!!

theres a way to replace it with invisibleness, so technically yes you could do it I'd say

I have found a great number of ban lines are set up by new land owners who really had no clue that they were doing it,
one easy solution is to make teh red lines visable both inside and outside, that way they have to look at teh same thing I do!

my land is bordered by land with the ugly red lines and a land owner who comes in world about once a month to not finish his build, so yes it annoys me, my solution in general to neighbors who have ban lines is, I ban them from my land, then sure enough they im me askin why I banned them..and I explain that as long as I am excluded from their land...they are excluded from mine nothing personal....

I'd love to see you get over my RL garden wall. You can't fly in RL so it's not so easy. Therein lies the problem with garden walls in SL.

Say we did have the power to mark the boundaries of our RL properties with transparent panes of glass between 100 and 700m meters tall, with stripes of red text across them saying "no entry". We'd have to look at that red text too. When things like that impact upon the view of other paying residents, I think the RL (visibility) analogy should apply.

If I enable something that other residents must look at, then I should be forced to look at it too.

I have ladders of varying lengths, and can climb quite well. I can get over it

50m from the land it sprouts from, not 100-700m..unless you're in some other SL...

Those 'paying residents' didn't pay for that land, they have no rights... and in RL, you could make walls from something similar to the one way mirrors and such (Or its it two way.. cant recall) if we wanted, and people would see something reflected back while the owner would see just fine.

If I have something I'm forcing people to see on my land.. hell they can buy my land from me if they want it gone, then they've got all the rights to it they want.

EDIT::And.. in SL if you want, you can disable flying on your land and put the wall a few meters in from the boundaries.. same effect as RL

/me checks the horse's pulse

That's guest access. If you ban by name, I think it's the full 700m.

The 'paying residents' are those who own land and share resources of the same sim. I'm aware that they don't have certain rights and are often forced to look at banlines that landowners often don't realise are enabled. That's why proposals like this exist.

Nope. All you need is a freebie flying feather to circumvent that.

I did this once, and it caused another neighbouring land owner to enable their banlines.

Then I said, "look guys," and we had a meeting.

I've owned land elsewhere in the past where the situation wasn't so easy to fix. In one case, an adjoining 4096 owned by a charter member had ban lines enabled and he hadn't logged in for over a year. Served me right for buying next-door, but I didn't appreciate things like that when I first bought the parcel.

Hmm dunno... now I wanna test this but won't be home for a whiele =( and.. if you're banning by name, I'd say they deserve it competely honestly... banning in general is just the 50m
I've only once encountered this, with my old neighbour (Whose land is now mostly mine since they left...). I told them, and then walked them through the fix.. its that simple. Just be courteous and talk to them about it if they are your neighbour.


Really? I use a flight feather, always.. and if I go into no fly land, I can't fly, no matter what... even if I ave two flight assists it doesnt work (That usually makes me float upward slowly)... how does this make the above method useless?

Who needs to go over walls in RL when you have a shovel and can go under them, then pop out of a stump, Hogan's Heroes style.

I'd pay to see that.. the first time anyway..