Does anyone seriously like those red ban lines ?

I sincerely apologize for posting this thread. I was not aware that this particular horse has been flogged to death on many occasions.

yes but camera angles depending how far it is dont see everything ive camera angled into things and seen parts of houses and furniture but not all of it

and depending on the size of the parcel you wont be able to pick up chat if ban lines are up

i use ban lines occasionally if i want to be on my property alone or if there is an event on the island and i dont want everyone parading thru my house

if we pay for the land no matter how we pay for it what we do with it should be our business

Sorry, but it's not an illusion. There is this delusion that privacy is an all-or-nothing thing - that either you have absolute, complete total privacy or you have absolutely none at all. this is utterly nonensical falsity.

In fact, privacy has several different aspects, and you can have more or less of each - yes! In SL!

We have partial privacy in SL - and it could be better; please check out JIRA SVC-241 and vote for it and any of the proposals it links to that make sense to you.

Yes, I know, MrGrieferPeeper Tom can unsling his disabled camera controls and peek at you all he pleases (there are JIRA proposals that would limit even this a bit). And he can use the remote sit command to get past mere solid walls. But banlines, whatever their appearance, mean he cannot physically intrude in your space. That, Sir, is a measure of privacy many people - most people who have it - do not want to do without.

Other examples? Blessed by LL? Security orbs, as explained in previous posts. IMs, which Lindens and RL subpoena powers can unlock but other Residents can't. Locked scripts.

Even those much-despised walls and locked doors and shuttered windows afford a (regrettably small) measure of privacy - because most people understand those signals from their fellow Residents and honor them. Perhaps you might consider doing the same?

Solution is simple, obvious, and already repeatedly offered: Make banlines visible or invisible at the observer's option. Or else get LL to invent prettier banlines. The only reason this goes on and on is that some people don't want to hear it.

Well before p2p teleporting having global banlines up if they blocked access across the sim entirely was AR-able wasn't it?

Or was that covered by the lower 20 meter lines? At 20 meters its quite possible few people felt they were worth having up.

Basicaly a clear flight path had to exist for those of us brave enough to fly from the telehub to the eventual destination. (I miss those days)

Give people a hammer and no instruction as to why you might want to use it and they tend to bash the crap out of everything.

The ban tools were introduced to solve a real problem of griefers because Linden Lab didn't want to police their world. There was no deeper thought, there were no "property rights" intended. There was a very real problem with push-gunners and this was the hack LL came up with.

I've spoken to newish players about why they have "ban all" on, many thought it was akin to locking your doors at home - a prudent stance in the real world, but overkill in SL where no one can mess with "your stuff".

Like most things in SL, once instantiated, LL won't sunset anything. The tools today are far more tuned to the actual problem, but they dasn't remove banlines as that is just one more thing to piss half their customers off with. People are far too quick to assume affirmative intent from LL when failing to consider the implications is a more abstemious explanation.

I entered a world where I could go anywhere. And if there were green dots in a space, I didn't enter without requesting. And all of us did this and no one's stuff got stolen. I'd check out people's builds sometimes when they weren't there; I didn't even leave footprints. People had vistor counters then, I don't recall a single instance of "you were in my house and that bothers me" by anyone, ever.

You couldn't even build skyboxes because there was a height tax that was proportional to elevation above ground. And yes, we had to walk 10km barefoot in the snow to school, uphill, both ways.

I LOVE ban lines ...tho I like the color blue better then red

There should be a user-selectable function to make them invisible.

Fundamentally, what is needed is civility. Most people exhibit it most of the time. Unfortunately, a significant minority choose to exhibit the opposite. That forces everyone else to deal with the uncivil - because there is only so much you can ignore.

Somebody checking out your stuff when you're not there - not a biggie. Somebody standing around watching and wisecracking while you make love to your lady in your bedroom - very much a biggie. If you don't think so, ask your girl friend what she thinks (assuming it is indeed a female behind the avatar). People parading in and out of your office while you're meeting with clients - if you can't get rid of them you just might have to get rid of SL. And griefers.

Let's promote the idea that people need to use their banlines sparingly, and turn them off as much as possible given their circumstances. That will be good for SL. Look for ways to make them less offensive, or to accomplish the same goal in some other, better ways, if there are any.

But forget getting rid of them without a viable replacement. Malachi's lament above shows you why: SL and its residents will get abused all the more by the relative few who live to abuse. After all, as Malachi (I think despite himself) made clear, that is why banlines were instituted in the first place.

I like the ban lines, and the only people who can see them are the 5 or fewer people on my "ban" list. If you do ugly things, you will be forced to see ugly lines.

Another great advantage of ban lines. When you are in the next parcel and building a skybox... those banlines let you know how close you are to the other land and where you are building.

Cue forums fight over parcel privacy #675,637 in 5..4..3..2..1...

BLARGHRARGH!! my LAND sTAY off my lawN!!! RAWR!!!

My lines are down, but home security is in full effect. Just as people fly onto my patio , the warning goes off, then BOOM.

Interesting walk through memory lane....I wasn't around much but I do remember I stopped playing when LL was talking about something relating to prim tax.
My main guy doesn't allow me to use banlines but I think people should do what they want.
But when we came back getting stuck on banlines and bouncing off them was very uncomfortable.